Are Toyota cars really soul less?

[sisq0kidd]

When your car doesn't break down like the rest of them, you don't get personal time with it... fixing it.

Hence, why Toyota wouldn't have as much "soul" as American cars.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: uhohs
cars don't have souls.

people just make up crap to make themselves feel better.

A Toyota will do every important thing that a person expects out of a car and do it better than any other car on the market.

Define soul.

Not really. It just has mass appeal, just like Dell does, or Wal-Mart does. That does not mean it is better necessarily, although they do make good cars.

Walmart has mass appeal cause its cheaper. Toyota has mass appeal because they have a long track record of building dependable cars. Very big difference.

I agree, but it appeals to the masses. Wal-Mart does not have the sort of image that Toyota has. It is comparable to Dell however since Dell has long been viewed as a more reliable alternative to Compaq, HP, Gateway etc. Its pricing does not hurt either. There are other car manufacturers that build reliable cars too, but they do not have the mass appeal that Toyota has.

It's certainly not "cool" to shop at Walmart and rap singers will never sing about their Toyota rollin' on dubs.

However, they all listen to what consumers actually want rather than trying to be the flashiest, trendiest, etc.

And for everyone that says "OMG, all Honda has to do is release a Civic Type R w/the S2000 engine and Ford has to put a V8 and RWD on the Fusion and they'll sell like hotcakes. OMFG!" remember that Toyota gets its monster sales numbers without a single sports car or convertible, and only boring, utilitarian sedans.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
When your car doesn't break down like the rest of them, you don't get personal time with it... fixing it.

Hence, why Toyota wouldn't have as much "soul" as American cars.

That makes sense, but I don't believe that is what people mean when they say car is soul less. By the way, I don't believe that all American cars are that bad. Sure, the imports tend to do better in reviews and people seem to like them more. Maybe its psychological too? That we have a pre-set views of something and when that thing does happen, we jump with joy, or anger. Not sure, but American cars are not as bad as people say.

Note: I won't buy an American car.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: uhohs
cars don't have souls.

people just make up crap to make themselves feel better.

A Toyota will do every important thing that a person expects out of a car and do it better than any other car on the market.

Define soul.

Not really. It just has mass appeal, just like Dell does, or Wal-Mart does. That does not mean it is better necessarily, although they do make good cars.

Walmart has mass appeal cause its cheaper. Toyota has mass appeal because they have a long track record of building dependable cars. Very big difference.

I agree, but it appeals to the masses. Wal-Mart does not have the sort of image that Toyota has. It is comparable to Dell however since Dell has long been viewed as a more reliable alternative to Compaq, HP, Gateway etc. Its pricing does not hurt either. There are other car manufacturers that build reliable cars too, but they do not have the mass appeal that Toyota has.

It's certainly not "cool" to shop at Walmart and rap singers will never sing about their Toyota rollin' on dubs.

However, they all listen to what consumers actually want rather than trying to be the flashiest, trendiest, etc.

And for everyone that says "OMG, all Honda has to do is release a Civic Type R w/the S2000 engine and Ford has to put a V8 and RWD on the Fusion and they'll sell like hotcakes. OMFG!" remember that Toyota gets its monster sales numbers without a single sports car or convertible, and only boring, utilitarian sedans.

Agreed, it knows what sells and what doesn't. It has a very efficient plan that is reinforced by its great management. Having a huge manufacturing capability certainly does help. By the way, Honda is similar in some ways to Toyota but it is a lot smaller. LOL the "unique" cars certainly don't attract the large volume of custoers that a Camry or Corolla attract. I don't blame consumers for this. It is partly due to conditioning though.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: uhohs
cars don't have souls.

people just make up crap to make themselves feel better.

A Toyota will do every important thing that a person expects out of a car and do it better than any other car on the market.

Define soul.

every person? i doubt a car enthusiast is looking at toyota's for massive power, moddability, and handling (and of course, they care about high mpg too)

please show me where toyota puts out a 7.0L LS7 with 505hp/475tq, a high rev 4.2L V8 414/~350, or high rev V10 510/4xx (GM's Z06 engine, Audi RS4 engine, and BMW M5 engine).

some people just want A to B. fine. other people want more than what a camry can offer.

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: acemcmac
Ever since the demise of the MR2, yeah...

:heart: my MR-2. The 3SGTE is sort of like a soul, but better.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd
When your car doesn't break down like the rest of them, you don't get personal time with it... fixing it.

Hence, why Toyota wouldn't have as much "soul" as American cars.

That makes sense, but I don't believe that is what people mean when they say car is soul less. By the way, I don't believe that all American cars are that bad. Sure, the imports tend to do better in reviews and people seem to like them more. Maybe its psychological too? That we have a pre-set views of something and when that thing does happen, we jump with joy, or anger. Not sure, but American cars are not as bad as people say.

Note: I won't buy an American car.

Oh, I don't believe it either. I just said it just to say it. Like what every single ATOT poster does.

I assume people always talk about Toyota as being soul less because it doesn't cater towards enthusiasm.

Most cars Toyota makes is meant for longevity, endurance and reliability. They don't cater towards a specific market and that's what I believe makes them "soul less."

I agree that American cars aren't as bad as they are made out to appear. But they are still relatively bad compared to Japanese cars, and until they close that gap completely, they'll still be the soul full, POS cars they are.

 

[EKKC]

i just know that toyota rear bumpers suck big time

for 10 toyotas on the street, 9 of them bound to have a gaping hole in their bumpers. i wonder if a simple push on the bumper with your finger would deform it.

not one model is spared. corollas, camries, avalons, all of them.

Some dude's Avalon

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: EKKC
i just know that toyota rear bumpers suck big time

for 10 toyotas on the street, 9 of them bound to have a gaping hole in their bumpers. i wonder if a simple push on the bumper with your finger would deform it.

not one model is spared. corollas, camries, avalons, all of them.

It's the drivers, not the cars

 

[EKKC]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: EKKC
i just know that toyota rear bumpers suck big time

for 10 toyotas on the street, 9 of them bound to have a gaping hole in their bumpers. i wonder if a simple push on the bumper with your finger would deform it.

not one model is spared. corollas, camries, avalons, all of them.

It's the drivers, not the cars

yeah, but im just saying, you dont see many honda's like that. or fords, or nissans and whatever.
then again maybe you're right, dumb drivers buy toyotas???

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
A Toyota will do every important thing that a person expects out of a car and do it better than any other car on the market, except be fun to drive.

Define soul.

Soul defined for you.

 

[iamwiz82]

People who don't care about cars and think of them only as A to B will never understand the soul of a vehicle. Singing engines, perfect shifts, the ability to feel the road.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

I drove around a rental Camry. It was a completely numb driving experience. Alot of road noise and poor rear visibility though.

 

[mrzed]

And here I thought all you car people were into 1/4 mile times and 19" rims etc to make up for the size of your penis.

Turns out it's all about your soul? I am deeply sorry, I had you all wrong. Far from worrying about earthly concerns, you are avoiding Corollas because they would risk your eternal souls, suck out your spirit, and render you vulnerable to Satan.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: uhohs
cars don't have souls.

people just make up crap to make themselves feel better.

A Toyota will do every important thing that a person expects out of a car and do it better than any other car on the market.

Define soul.

Not really. It just has mass appeal, just like Dell does, or Wal-Mart does. That does not mean it is better necessarily, although they do make good cars.

Walmart has mass appeal cause its cheaper. Toyota has mass appeal because they have a long track record of building dependable cars. Very big difference.

I agree, but it appeals to the masses. Wal-Mart does not have the sort of image that Toyota has. It is comparable to Dell however since Dell has long been viewed as a more reliable alternative to Compaq, HP, Gateway etc. Its pricing does not hurt either. There are other car manufacturers that build reliable cars too, but they do not have the mass appeal that Toyota has.

It's certainly not "cool" to shop at Walmart and rap singers will never sing about their Toyota rollin' on dubs.

However, they all listen to what consumers actually want rather than trying to be the flashiest, trendiest, etc.

And for everyone that says "OMG, all Honda has to do is release a Civic Type R w/the S2000 engine and Ford has to put a V8 and RWD on the Fusion and they'll sell like hotcakes. OMFG!" remember that Toyota gets its monster sales numbers without a single sports car or convertible, and only boring, utilitarian sedans.

Thats only a recent development. There's the MR2, the Celica, and even the Solara, which comes in a convertible. If you count Scion, there's the tC. There's also the Supra of times past.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
People who don't care about cars and think of them only as A to B will never understand the soul of a vehicle. Singing engines, perfect shifts, the ability to feel the road.

Don't forget quirky. A car with soul must have a distinct personality, so that its owner is the only person who really knows how to drive it right.

 

[cjchaps]

My 06 Rav4 has plenty of oomph and is enjoyable to drive for being an SUV. It not the same a driving a sports car but it's a lot better than the domestic SUVs that I have driven.

 

[Parrotheader]

Most Toyotas I've driven haven't exactly been 'fun' to drive. But as has already been said, I don't think that's their primary concern. They want to build a good, reliable product that has the main options people want, but without going overboard. In that regard they're top-notch.

That being said though, if ever a vehicle had a soul it was those early-90s Toyota pickups; pre-T100, Tacoma, Tundra . . . not that there's anything wrong with those either really . . . I just liked it when you simply had a "Toyota pickup." God those were (and still are) amazing vehicles IMO.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Parrotheader
Most Toyotas I've driven haven't exactly been 'fun' to drive. But as has already been said, I don't think that's their primary concern. They want to build a good, reliable product that has the main options people want, but without going overboard. In that regard they're top-notch.

That being said though, if ever a vehicle had a soul it was those early-90s Toyota pickups; pre-T100, Tacoma, Tundra . . . not that there's anything wrong with those either really . . . I just liked it when you simply had a "Toyota pickup." God those were (and still are) amazing vehicles IMO.

I own one. Great truck. I swear it will never die. Sometimes I let 2-3 months go by without driving it, but all I have to do is reconnect the battery and it cranks right up and runs perfect. Only disadvantage is that it's the 3.0L V6 which is both underpowered AND gets crap mileage (16 mpg highway).

 

[Trikat]

The Supras were great cars and you could even modify the soul if there is such thing as a soul in a car.
Supra will be back later so no need to fret!

 

[Gooberlx2]

Yeah, I'll take a reliable "souless" Toyota over a "soulfull"-yet-dead Ford, VW, <insert your hated make here>

 

[AdamK47]

I bought a $10 stud finder at Home Depot last night. It only worked on the inside walls.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: uhohs
cars don't have souls.

people just make up crap to make themselves feel better.

/flamesuit on

Wrong!!!!

 

[Ryan]

Soul is defined by how many hours a car spends in the repair bay at your mechanic. Of course Toyotas don't have souls! European cars are full of soul.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: uhohs
cars don't have souls.

people just make up crap to make themselves feel better.

A Toyota will do every important thing that a person expects out of a car and do it better than any other car on the market.

Define soul.

every person? i doubt a car enthusiast is looking at toyota's for massive power, moddability, and handling (and of course, they care about high mpg too)

please show me where toyota puts out a 7.0L LS7 with 505hp/475tq, a high rev 4.2L V8 414/~350, or high rev V10 510/4xx (GM's Z06 engine, Audi RS4 engine, and BMW M5 engine).

some people just want A to B. fine. other people want more than what a camry can offer.

Not nearly as many as want A to B. People vote w/their dollars