Are there any games like this?

CrimsonChaos

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Remember the old Ultima games? Where you controlled a "group" of players -- the Avatar, a fighter, a mage, etc..?

Do they have anything like this (either multi-player, single-player, or both), where you are able to control a group of Dungeon & Dragon type characters?

Please keep in mind, I am NOT looking for role-playing games. Looking more for adventure games (Legend of Zelda), but that involve controlling a "party" rather than a single player -- again, think "old Ultima series".

[UPDATE] Dungeon Siege 2

Upon recommendation here, I tried the Demo for Dungeon Siege 2. It's not a bad game. I liked the graphics, and I liked the quests that you are given as the game progresses. It looked like it had a lot of skills and attributes that you could improve, so that was nice. But it would've been nice if you could pick a "class" or something to begin with, so that some of your skills/attributes started automatically higher. The world seemed very expansive, but a bit limited as you were constrained to pre-determined paths.

The fighting isn't really that exciting. Basically it's just clicking the mouse a lot -- I liked the turn-based style of Ultima more, I guess. Plus, in certain places (i.e. the crypt), there are certain monsters that try to stay inside a "zone". The problem is, you can just sit back and nail them with your bow and arrow. They never try to chase you down -- even the main monster of the crypt didn't chase you down, so I just sat back and showered it with arrows til it died.

It's a pain that things fall out of the monsters/containers onto the ground whenever they are destroyed. Because you have to look real close to see if something is lying there that you could pick up. It'd be nice if you could just move your mouse over the corpose/container and it had a list of what was inside that you could click on to pick up (including an ALL option).

Also I'm not crazy about the overhead-map feature -- it constantly rotates as your character does, so it makes it tough to keep your bearings. Plus it'd be nice if it had a "zoom-out" feature (maybe it does and I haven't found it) so you could see an overview of the ENTIRE overhead map.

It also lacks some of the 'adventure' type feel Ultima had, like having to get food that is automatically eaten throughout the day, and having to sleep at certain intervals. It sounds boring, but to me it seems more realistic and like you're really on some grand adventure.

Next I will be trying Overlord...

[UPDATE] Overlord

Again upon recommendation here, I tried Overlord. I just finished playing the Overlord Demo. It is a decent game. It has great graphics, unique story-line (you play as an evil Overlord instead of as the good-guy), and is great for someone looking for a "puzzle" type adventure. Unfortunately, I'm not one of those people.

The first glaring problem is that the game is very linear - I hate linear gameplay, as it doesn't feel like an adventure anymore. Now it just feels like a job. You complete things in an exact sequence, and every situation is setup perfectly for you to complete it -- you just have to figure out how. If you're into linear puzzle-games like this, you'll enjoy it. However, this is nothing close to what I was looking for.

I also hate all the cut-scenes that are used to try to tell some sort of story, which really all they are doing is giving you instructions on your next task.

Third, I hate that you have to use the keyboard to move around and to issue most of your commands. In fact, it seems the only time you're using the mouse is to rotate the camera angle, and to control your minions.

To be honest, and maybe this improves over the course of the game, I really did not feel like a powerful Overlord. Instead, I felt like any typical "Tomb Raider" type character with a few extra abilities. In fact, it took me a few strikes with my weapon to kill some sheep. Some sheep, really? Shouldn't an Overlord be able to dispose of some sheep without having to hack at it a few times?

To summarize, if you're into linear puzzle-games, this could be a great game for you. But as far as being anything close to the D&D adventure game I was seeking, this sorely misses the mark.

I'm not sure what I'll be trying next, depends on what I can get my hands on...

 

treetops

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Well baldurs gate is the only thing that comes to mind however its far from zelda, but nearly everything is far from zeldas style of game play.
 

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Originally posted by: treetops
Well baldurs gate is the only thing that comes to mind however its far from zelda, but nearly everything is far from zeldas style of game play.

baldurs gate is a good one. any of the icewind dale games. The Temple of Elemental Evil, is good, can be a little hardcore though.
 

CrimsonChaos

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Thanks. Great suggestions so far, however I was hoping for something a bit more "current". The games you two mentioned were last released over 5 years ago.

Any more current games out there that fit the "Ultima Series" mold?

I guess I'm looking for a Dungeons & Dragons type game (with warriors, mages, clerics, dragons, demons, etc.) that has more current graphic models. And as mentioned, where you can control an entire party instead of just first-person type gameplay.

Edit: Glitchny, what does it mean when you say Temple of Elemental Evil is more 'hardcore'?
 

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I would say Dungeon Siege. I had a lot of fun with that back in the day. Not so much an RPG - your character gets better based on how you fight, then you just buy/find weapons/spells that you can use.
 

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Originally posted by: CrimsonChaos
Thanks. Great suggestions so far, however I was hoping for something a bit more "current". The games you two mentioned were last released over 5 years ago.

Any more current games out there that fit the "Ultima Series" mold?

I guess I'm looking for a Dungeons & Dragons type game (with warriors, mages, clerics, dragons, demons, etc.) that has more current graphic models. And as mentioned, where you can control an entire party instead of just first-person type gameplay.

Edit: Glitchny, what does it mean when you say Temple of Elemental Evil is more 'hardcore'?

by hardcore i mean that it is based strictly on the D&D 3.5 edition rules. It is probably the best representation of those rules in a computer game, and for some people not familiar with them it can be a little rough around the edges. Some things are not explained in great detail because the developers seem to have assumed a player has a base knowledge of D&D so it can get frustrating.

Dungeon Siege is also a good game, not sure if its turn based or not, but it also isnt very current. Seems this style of game has faded recently.
 

CrimsonChaos

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Originally posted by: ObiDon
dungeon siege?

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
I would say Dungeon Siege. I had a lot of fun with that back in the day. Not so much an RPG - your character gets better based on how you fight, then you just buy/find weapons/spells that you can use.


Thanks for the recommendation. I"m dowloading the demo for Dungeon Siege 2 now -- I'll let you know how it goes!
 

CrimsonChaos

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Originally posted by: Glitchny
Originally posted by: CrimsonChaos
Thanks. Great suggestions so far, however I was hoping for something a bit more "current". The games you two mentioned were last released over 5 years ago.

Any more current games out there that fit the "Ultima Series" mold?

I guess I'm looking for a Dungeons & Dragons type game (with warriors, mages, clerics, dragons, demons, etc.) that has more current graphic models. And as mentioned, where you can control an entire party instead of just first-person type gameplay.

Edit: Glitchny, what does it mean when you say Temple of Elemental Evil is more 'hardcore'?

by hardcore i mean that it is based strictly on the D&D 3.5 edition rules. It is probably the best representation of those rules in a computer game, and for some people not familiar with them it can be a little rough around the edges. Some things are not explained in great detail because the developers seem to have assumed a player has a base knowledge of D&D so it can get frustrating.

Dungeon Siege is also a good game, not sure if its turn based or not, but it also isnt very current. Seems this style of game has faded recently.


Ah OK. I don't know what you even mean by "D&D 3.5 edition rules", so I"m going to assume I am not hardcore. Last time I did any D&D was when I played Ultima, but I just was hoping for a more current game with the same style.

I did try to download the Temple of Eleomental Evil demo, but it wouldn't let me try it for free.

 

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How about Neverwinter Night 1 & 2 ? Plenty more, but it's late and I don't know of any really recent ones. NWN2 should be just fine though. NWN 1 also has LOADS of community made content.
 

Craig234

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Spiderweb software's Avernum 5 is a new but old-style party game like that, and has a big free demo. But all the games above including Ultima were considered 'RPG's. Zelda maybe not so much.

If you're interested in party-based games but not fantasy setting, a lot more games are available, especially 'tactical squad' games, or even puzzle-oriented games like the Commandos series.
 

AstroManLuca

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And there's a Baldur's Gate game for the PS2, GameCube, and Xbox that is basically the same as the Marvel and X-Men games, but with D&D-style characters instead of superheroes.
 

Lorne

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Temple of elemental evil is probly the last tactical RT/TB RPG that still used the AD&D rules.
There was one awhile back that was a continuation of the old Pool or radiance series (I belive pools of darkness) which wasnt to bad also, It all was RT or TB AD&D rule and creation.

Dungeon Seige and Dungeon Seige age of Arkanna were great
Dungeon Seige 2 FTW, My favorite RT RPG style.
Stay away from broken worlds (Somone crack smoking durring that build)

Space siege?, Im going to have to look into that, I Emailed GasPowerd a couple years ago about a old Commodore 64 game called Mars Saga and said it would be awsome remake with the Dungeon Seige2 engine.
I may have to email them again about using the DS2 engine for something like the Old PC/C64 games like Neromancer or Syndicate.

 

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
How about Neverwinter Night 1 & 2 ? Plenty more, but it's late and I don't know of any really recent ones. NWN2 should be just fine though. NWN 1 also has LOADS of community made content.

+1 for NWN2
 
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I'd say go with Baldur's Gate II, both Shadows of Amn and the expansion Throne of Bhaal. It just doesn't get any better than that.
 

CrimsonChaos

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Originally posted by: CrimsonChaos
Originally posted by: ObiDon
dungeon siege?

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
I would say Dungeon Siege. I had a lot of fun with that back in the day. Not so much an RPG - your character gets better based on how you fight, then you just buy/find weapons/spells that you can use.


Thanks for the recommendation. I"m dowloading the demo for Dungeon Siege 2 now -- I'll let you know how it goes!

Well I've played a bit of Dungeon Siege 2. It's not a bad game. I liked the graphics, and I liked the quests that you are given as the game progresses. It looked like it had a lot of skills and attributes that you could improve, so that was nice. But it would've been nice if you could pick a "class" or something to begin with, so that some of your skills/attributes started automatically higher. The world seemed very expansive, but a bit limited as you were constrained to pre-determined paths.

The fighting isn't really that exciting. Basically it's just clicking the mouse a lot -- I liked the turn-based style of Ultima more, I guess. Plus, in certain places (i.e. the crypt), there are certain monsters that try to stay inside a "zone". The problem is, you can just sit back and nail them with your bow and arrow. They never try to chase you down -- even the main monster of the crypt didn't chase you down, so I just sat back and showered it with arrows til it died.

It's a pain that things fall out of the monsters/containers onto the ground whenever they are destroyed. Because you have to look real close to see if something is lying there that you could pick up. It'd be nice if you could just move your mouse over the corpose/container and it had a list of what was inside that you could click on to pick up (including an ALL option).

Also I'm not crazy about the overhead-map feature -- it constantly rotates as your character does, so it makes it tough to keep your bearings. Plus it'd be nice if it had a "zoom-out" feature (maybe it does and I haven't found it) so you could see an overview of the ENTIRE overhead map.

It also lacks some of the 'adventure' type feel Ultima had, like having to get food that is automatically eaten throughout the day, and having to sleep at certain intervals. It sounds boring, but to me it seems more realistic and like you're really on some grand adventure.

[This will be posted in the original post as well]
 

Lorne

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Crimson, Look for Pool of radiance (Runes of Myth Drannor) and Temple of Elemental Evil, Both are turnbased or can be set to a realtime if you want and are class spacific design.

If you really want some old old RPG like the early Pool of radiance series or Eye of the beholder and if you can find them you could try running them on DOSBOX.
 

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Another vote for Neverwinter Nights. Great action based party type game with mild injections of RPG elements.

 

CrimsonChaos

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Originally posted by: Ramma2
Another vote for Neverwinter Nights. Great action based party type game with mild injections of RPG elements.

Do you mean Neverwinter Nights or Neverwinter Nights 2? It doesn't seem like there's a Demo for the 2nd one, but I'll give the 1st one a shot. Also, it looks like it has a lot of those "cut-scenes" which I don't really care for -- reminds me too much of role-play than adventure. But I'll keep an open mind as I demo it.
 

CrimsonChaos

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Originally posted by: BladeVenom
You might want to look at Overlord.

Very under rated IMO. I played before Conan came out. Great game.

Again upon recommendation here, I tried Overlord. I just finished playing the Overlord Demo. It is a decent game. It has great graphics, unique story-line (you play as an evil Overlord instead of as the good-guy), and is great for someone looking for a "puzzle" type adventure. Unfortunately, I'm not one of those people.

The first glaring problem is that the game is very linear - I hate linear gameplay, as it doesn't feel like an adventure anymore. Now it just feels like a job. You complete things in an exact sequence, and every situation is setup perfectly for you to complete it -- you just have to figure out how. If you're into linear puzzle-games like this, you'll enjoy it. However, this is nothing close to what I was looking for.

I also hate all the cut-scenes that are used to try to tell some sort of story, which really all they are doing is giving you instructions on your next task.

Third, I hate that you have to use the keyboard to move around and to issue most of your commands. In fact, it seems the only time you're using the mouse is to rotate the camera angle, and to control your minions.

To be honest, and maybe this improves over the course of the game, I really did not feel like a powerful Overlord. Instead, I felt like any typical "Tomb Raider" type character with a few extra abilities. In fact, it took me a few strikes with my weapon to kill some sheep. Some sheep, really? Shouldn't an Overlord be able to dispose of some sheep without having to hack at it a few times?

To summarize, if you're into linear puzzle-games, this could be a great game for you. But as far as being anything close to the D&D adventure game I was seeking, this sorely misses the mark.

I'm not sure what I'll be trying next, depends on what I can get my hands on...

[This will be added to the OP]