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are the IBM 120gxp's another bad hard drive form ibm?

Hard to tell right now. It does have a limit on the number of continuious operating hours ( 333hrs ). I'd steer clear, but thats just me.
 


<< Hard to tell right now. It does have a limit on the number of continuious operating hours ( 333hrs ). I'd steer clear, but thats just me. >>


Please get the facts straight. The 333 hrs of operation is just a number that IBM uses when they estimate the life of the drive. In fact, when other hard drive manufacturers were contacted about this, they said that the 333 hrs figure from IBM is about the same number that they use too. Furthermore, IBM has explicitly stated that there is nothing wrong with operating the drive 24/7 and that it will not void any warranties. I think the only reason they even published the number was out of caution since all these people who have never even owned an IBM drive in their life are running around whining about how much they suck.

<--------- has built 4 system using IBM drives and never had one fail.
 
I've never owned an IBM hard drive. I've also never had a drive fail on me. I don't think it can be argued that the 75GXP was a crappy drive seeing how many people on boards all over the net have had them fail.

I'd steer clear, but thats just me.

Ditto. I have no reason to believe that the 120's are bad drives, I also have no reason to trust them.
 
Well think of it this way.

Now, remember IBM is no longer in the hard drive business. They sold or gave 70% of it to Hitachi. So right now IBM is going through some issues right now. So look at it that way. Would you buy a product that has a potential of no longer supporting your IBM hard drives? Who knows Hitachi COULD say it'll continue supporting it but look at nvidia when they bought 3dfx. Said they were not supporting the voodoo cards.

To play it SAFE i would stay away from IBM hard drives right now. Has nothing to do with quality although that is probably why they gave up the hard drive business because they couldn't output quality safe hard drives.

I have 2 maxtor drives in a RAID 0 config and it is very quiet and well worth the 100 bucks for each drive! www.newegg.com .. get the quiet drive well worth it. Plus maxtor has great support.

Thats my current recommendation. If you have the money check out WD's 120GB drives with 8MB cache. I hear those do well also.

Other than that i'm sure the IBM drive 120gxp is great stuff but the company is not at the moment.
 


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<< Hard to tell right now. It does have a limit on the number of continuious operating hours ( 333hrs ). I'd steer clear, but thats just me. >>


Please get the facts straight. The 333 hrs of operation is just a number that IBM uses when they estimate the life of the drive. In fact, when other hard drive manufacturers were contacted about this, they said that the 333 hrs figure from IBM is about the same number that they use too. Furthermore, IBM has explicitly stated that there is nothing wrong with operating the drive 24/7 and that it will not void any warranties. I think the only reason they even published the number was out of caution since all these people who have never even owned an IBM drive in their life are running around whining about how much they suck.

<--------- has built 4 system using IBM drives and never had one fail. >>



Thanks for the info on the 333 hrs thing. I'll keep that in mind.

As for the "all these people who have never even owned an IBM drive in their life are running around whining about how much they suck" part...My 75GXP failed 3 months after I got it, and my friends 60GXP failed around 3 months after I got it too. I have a replacement 75GXP sitting on my dresser because, the day I put it in, it started doing the click of death thing too. I don't want to go through the hastle of RMAing it, because IBM makes me pay to return their junk hard drive.

So, as a former IBM hard drive owner...I can say with certanty, that most of the IBM drives I have come into contact with (I still have a 20GB IBM going strong though) have sucked. Thats not to say other peoples drives don't work fine....but when, out of three IBM drives that were purchased within the last year, three of them fail shortly after they were purchased, somthing is definitly wrong.

No, I don't overclock. No, my motherboard isn't built so poorly that it kills hard drives. My current westren digital has outlasted both 75GXP drives I've had, not to mention that its faster and quieter than the IBM's ever were for me.

Just my experiences.
 
It's hard to say one way or the other right now. It's obvious that the 75GXP's are crap (mine died a month ago) and the 60GXP's have a habit of failing as well, although not nearly as bad as the 75's. I bough a Maxtor D740X and it's awesome, very fast and very quiet. If you need a hard drive now, play it safe and go with a Maxtor or Western Digital.
 
ive never had a hard drive fail on me once though and i have owned 2 20 gig 60 gxp's. From what i hear maxtor is the best for reliability. hmm i guess ill look around for a maxtor then. I was gonna trade a 18gig 10k rpmscsi3 drive for an 80 gig 120gxp but i guess ill pass on the offer.
 


<< are the IBM 120gxp's another bad hard drive form ibm? >>



Simple answer: Yes.

IBM is not producing HDDs anymore, they gave the warning about power on hours on their site, many users are reporting drives that fail and IBM is only shipping back defective drives again that just die away..

Stay away from IBM's IDE drives, at least. Buy Seagate, Maxtor, or WD. 😉
 
Rule of thumb: If Company A goes through a recent time of crappy Widgets, don't buy Widgets from Company A. Only after an extended time of good quality Widgets from Company A should you even consider their Widgets again.


I remember the 75GXP fiasco. When people knew the 75GXPs were junk, they then avoided it and went with the 60GXPs instead. All seemed well, then suddenly 60GXPs began failing on a regular basis. The 120GXP may be just as craptacular, the question is, "Do you wanna be the one doing the quality research?"
 
my next hd will be a seagate baracuda IV (or V if they are out by then), after 2 60gxp's with bearings that got screwed up (very loud constant whining while the drive was spinning) I am not going to buy another ibm drive.
 
Please stop BASHING IBM with your frivilous opinions...YEESH!!!!


For the record, the REASON WHY the IBM drives failed was because the platers were NOT MADE of galss, but of metal, which as you know, contracts and expands with temperature fulxuations. Since the information density was reaching new heights, the data position would change as the metal changed , and therefoire, you would hear a "clicking" noise while the drive heads searched for the information that was no longer in the same original, physical, spot.

I assume most companies are using glass platters now as it is the best temperture-resistant HD-platter material to date. In otherwords, IF the 120GXP is made of glass platters, I asure you that THERE IS A SMALLER CHANCE THAT THYE WILL FAIL.


This of course is based on my assumption that the platters are glass.



 
IBM was the first company to use glass platters in IDE drives starting with the 75GXP series, they might still be the only ones actually. All drives make clicking sounds when they seek, some are just louder than others, heat and platter material have nothing to do with it. No one knows for sure what was wrong with the 75GXP series, with the possible inclusion of even IBM.
 
Had a Seagate Beracuda die on me 2 years ago so..... stay away from Seagate.
Had a Maxtor just die at work so........ stay away from Maxtor.
My 60gxp has been fine for a year.
Really, I'm just writing this because I once fell victim to Western Digital paranoia in this forum and immediately replaced a perfectly good WD with the 60 gxp because of the reviews it got. Now everyone is damning the IBM and praising the WD. I now have two perfectly good hard drives so if one dies, I have a backup. Would I buy another IBM? Probably not now that its been damned to death.
 

its irrelevant now, they will be hitachi drives

so now you can have your daily, "is Hitatchi any good" threads to replace these
 
lol yup ill do that when i get one.
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<< Please stop BASHING IBM with your frivilous opinions...YEESH!!!!


For the record, the REASON WHY the IBM drives failed was because the platers were NOT MADE of galss, but of metal, which as you know, contracts and expands with temperature fulxuations. Since the information density was reaching new heights, the data position would change as the metal changed , and therefoire, you would hear a "clicking" noise while the drive heads searched for the information that was no longer in the same original, physical, spot.

I assume most companies are using glass platters now as it is the best temperture-resistant HD-platter material to date. In otherwords, IF the 120GXP is made of glass platters, I asure you that THERE IS A SMALLER CHANCE THAT THYE WILL FAIL.


This of course is based on my assumption that the platters are glass. >>



Please stop DEFENDING IBM with your frivilous opinions...YEESH!!!!
 


<< Please stop BASHING IBM with your frivilous opinions...YEESH!!!!


For the record, the REASON WHY the IBM drives failed was because the platers were NOT MADE of galss, but of metal, which as you know, contracts and expands with temperature fulxuations. Since the information density was reaching new heights, the data position would change as the metal changed , and therefoire, you would hear a "clicking" noise while the drive heads searched for the information that was no longer in the same original, physical, spot.

I assume most companies are using glass platters now as it is the best temperture-resistant HD-platter material to date. In otherwords, IF the 120GXP is made of glass platters, I asure you that THERE IS A SMALLER CHANCE THAT THYE WILL FAIL.


This of course is based on my assumption that the platters are glass. >>



Uh. No.
 
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