Are part time jobs replacing full time?

[coloumb]

Interesting...

I've noticed over the past few years the company I work for is outsourcing more [they outsourced our call center from the training facility to a 3rd party company] and has moved most of their manufacturing to China and training to Singapore.

It's always a crap shoot to see who I get to talk to when I call our call center - I seriously think they outsourced it to people who work from home.

 

[soulcougher73]

Pretty soon won't be any jobs in our country. The technology is a blessing and a curse. Bring on the isolationism and tariffs. It's the only sane way.

 

[Imp]

My B-job is contract/casual. Wee, I get like 30 hours of work a year.

My main job is going to be gone post-provincial election cause da pepes hate da gubment union employies. They all want it "contracted out" so a few guys at the top can hire a bunch of part-timers and then add on a nice bonus for themselves.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Looking at jobs, I do not see this.

 

[purbeast0]

searching in the tech field around the DC metro area, i haven't seen this trend at all.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Full time jobs in general have been moving to part time jobs since I've had memory (23 years). That's mostly the lesser end jobs though.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Yup. They dont have to pay benefits this way of any kind. Welcome to the GOP wet dream 🙂

Free market is good no? That's what the corporati...er, I mean lobbyis...er, I mean government wants you to believe.

When did the people get so stupid as to believe that giant multinational corporations have their best interests in mind?

 

[Imp]

Free market is good no? That's what the corporati...er, I mean lobbyis...er, I mean government wants you to believe.

When did the people get so stupid as to believe that giant multinational corporations have their best interests in mind?

You tell me. The retards in my city actually voted in a mayor with no plan and promised to not raise taxes yet cut no services. The evil libtards were raping and pillaging the city from within apparently.

Fast-forward to 8 months post-election, massive and I mean MASSIVE cuts on the way, taxes to be raised next year. And oh, the retard mayor lets his brother do 90% of the talking, and hides from the media (refuses to speak to anyone but our version of Fox News). he's also doing the "with us or against us" thing, trying to fire people who disagree. Yet he still has vocal supporters...

 

[Jeffg010]

At my work place it has been a massive amount of contractors. I set up PCs, tech support, and break fix for PCs and for the last year it has been mostly new contractors from India. I'm not seeing replacements of contractors it is bran new contractors. Instead of me having to reconfigure the PCs that are in a cube, I have order new equipment, configure and install them. This is twice the amount of work. I would have though after a year of this it would have slowed down but that has not been the case.

 

[rudder]

Companies are not supposed to be able to hire employees as contractors and 1099 them. But the government lets them get away with it, so now almost all new hires are "consultants". It's complete bullshit.

If I owned a business in a state where it is easy to get sued for firing someone... I would go the contractor route. Blame in on companies trying to cut their expenses, but I see it as a way to adjust attitudes of people who think they are owed a job.

 

[Wyndru]

I see a lot of temp positions/contracts in IT, not so much part time work though, most employees are more useful on a 40hour/wk schedule. When I worked for a temp agency they didn't give me any benefits though. The company paid a certain amount for the position, and the agency paid me a percentage lower. It was temp to hire, so when they hired me I got an instant raise and benefits applied.

I was one of the last to be temp to hire, the company no longer bothers with temp to hire, they don't want to pay the benefits/allow vacation time and when the contract is up they just dump the employee and hire new temps. They save a ton of money this way, especially as people retire/leave and are replaced with more temps. This happens a lot in the application development teams, apparently programmers aren't too hard to come by in my area (we have a lot of tech schools and out of work grads).

There are a lot of willing and intelligent out of work people these days, it's an employer's advantage world currently. I don't see this changing anytime soon, too many companies are taking advantage of the situation to get their budgets under control and up their profits.

 

[Blackjack200]

If I owned a business in a state where it is easy to get sued for firing someone... I would go the contractor route. Blame in on companies trying to cut their expenses, but I see it as a way to adjust attitudes of people who think they are owed a job.

If the employment laws are poorly written or need to be changed, do it. That's not a good reason to lie about the nature of the relationship between a business and worker.

 

[Golgatha]

Case and point, Walmart. I'm sorry, but I HATE Walmart. Not because it's Walmart, but because of it's employees. They are 99% useless and just drones. They hate their jobs and it shows (except maybe the door greeters).

Really?! Hmm, that's my Mom you're talking about there, who is a decent and caring human being. You can go fuck off you knuckle dragging jackass.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

companies should be able to hire & fire whomever they want. pay them whatever they want, give them benefits, or don't give them benefits.

as we can see, if you try to mandate anything on them they are going to evolve around it anyways.

 

[Blackjack200]

companies should be able to hire & fire whomever they want. pay them whatever they want, give them benefits, or don't give them benefits.

as we can see, if you try to mandate anything on them they are going to evolve around it anyways.

So a company should be able to hire a guy to cut down trees, and if a branch falls on him, just call the ambulance and hire the next guy?

 

[spidey07]

So a company should be able to hire a guy to cut down trees, and if a branch falls on him, just call the ambulance and hire the next guy?

Of course.

The guy is free to purchase disability insurance. I know I do.

Nobody is entitled to a job. A job comes from need. Another person or company needs your services (your work).

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Welcome to the world of wal-mart. Where have you been for the past 10 or 15 years?

What I see happening is jobs being part time so the company does not have to pay benefits. If you want health insurance, sign up on medicaid.

Companies are going to get where they hire 2 part time people for the price of 3 full time employees. Want benefits? lol, no chance of that happening.

barely in HS.

and after graduating, there were still plenty of full time jobs.
it wasn't until very recently (past 2-3 years) that temp/contract jobs became commonplace. at least it is this way here in the NE US.

any company serious about hiring a quality employee is going to offer full time positions.

 

[Blackjack200]

Of course.

The guy is free to purchase disability insurance. I know I do.

Nobody is entitled to a job. A job comes from need. Another person or company needs your services (your work).

How much do you think disability insurance costs for tree pruner? It's a little bit more than for a network consultant.

 

[Fritzo]

It's not so much that, it's professional positions that's got me worried. It's not just for minimum wage monkeys anymore. Guess it's taken longer to filter through here in Canada. Recession really triggered it.

I think a lot of companies are doing that to test out employees. We actually do that where I work. We start them part time then move them to full time if they're worth it.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Yup. They dont have to pay benefits this way of any kind. Welcome to the GOP wet dream 🙂

good. employers should never have been managing health benefits in the first place.
who's idea was that anyway?


just read that employer based health care came to fruition during FDR's tenure in office, in his attempts to control wages.
damn that stupid GOP president that was FDR.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

So a company should be able to hire a guy to cut down trees, and if a branch falls on him, just call the ambulance and hire the next guy?

what's your counter-argument?
they should wait until he is fully recovered from all injuries, putting the entire business on hold, possibly driving them out of business?

i don't quite follow.

 

[TridenT]

Yeah, at places like... Ross, Target, and Walmart.

At big tech firms? Nope.

 

[yllus]

I see a lot of temp positions/contracts in IT, not so much part time work though, most employees are more useful on a 40hour/wk schedule. When I worked for a temp agency they didn't give me any benefits though. The company paid a certain amount for the position, and the agency paid me a percentage lower. It was temp to hire, so when they hired me I got an instant raise and benefits applied.

I was one of the last to be temp to hire, the company no longer bothers with temp to hire, they don't want to pay the benefits/allow vacation time and when the contract is up they just dump the employee and hire new temps. They save a ton of money this way, especially as people retire/leave and are replaced with more temps. This happens a lot in the application development teams, apparently programmers aren't too hard to come by in my area (we have a lot of tech schools and out of work grads).

There are a lot of willing and intelligent out of work people these days, it's an employer's advantage world currently. I don't see this changing anytime soon, too many companies are taking advantage of the situation to get their budgets under control and up their profits.

I think your company is the exception, not the rule. Frankly, your company sounds horribly mismanaged - from what I can tell, software companies are headed in the exact opposite direction. At my workplace we're actually forcing contract developers to go full time or letting them go. The immense loss of time and money from turnover is something we're all desperate to avoid.

 

[ShawnD1]

good. employers should never have been managing health benefits in the first place.
who's idea was that anyway?

It was a really good idea at the time. If your company wants the best people, it needs to give better benefits. Other companies have things like 5 weeks vacation, flexible hours, ability to work from home. It was never intended as a system to cover every single person.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

It was a really good idea at the time. If your company wants the best people, it needs to give better benefits. Other companies have things like 5 weeks vacation, flexible hours, ability to work from home. It was never intended as a system to cover every single person.

look at us now.
you can honestly say with a straight face it was a good idea?