Are part time jobs replacing full time?

[ShawnD1]

look at us now.
you can honestly say with a straight face it was a good idea?

Yep. People of skill won't work for your shitty company if you don't offer benefits. You'll get stuck with the people who suck.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

So a company should be able to hire a guy to cut down trees, and if a branch falls on him, just call the ambulance and hire the next guy?

Personally, I wouldn't work for a company that wasn't insured against that sort of accident. That doesn't mean someone else shouldn't if they want to. I don't expect a business like that would last very long due to not attracting any workers, especially if their competition offers protection.

As far as saving the job, or rehiring after recovery, if the worker was skilled and added value to the company I see no reason why he couldn't get rehired. If the worker is disabled, hopefully they will have thought of the possibly and planned for such an event. If there was negligence on the companies part, example faulty equipment, hope he has a good lawyer.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Yep. People of skill won't work for your shitty company if you don't offer benefits. You'll get stuck with the people who suck.

false. as a young healthy individual, i would gladly take higher pay over health benefits, as would many others.

so you think it's a good idea that health care is completely tied to your employers? that one of the main reasons that cost of health care is rising to the point of being unaffordable is a good idea?

fyi, i'm speaking solely about health benefits, not other perks.

 

[Lithium381]

Just like how it's harder for an underskilled individual to land a job. at all. with minimum wage laws as they are now, the people who are even considered for positions has been reduced.....
For $5 / hour i could hire any number of people and get my money's worth.... for $9/hr i now have to be much more stringient. Highschool kid to work fast food? no way, i don't want some highschool kid for $9/hr.... not to mention i can hire half the workforce to do the work, so the (typically unskilled with poor work ethic) employee has to work twice as hard....
companies are being forced to pay above market value for a skill-set.

if you want to make more, make yourself more valuable

 

[Blackjack200]

Personally, I wouldn't work for a company that wasn't insured against that sort of accident. That doesn't mean someone else shouldn't if they want to. I don't expect a business like that would last very long due to not attracting any workers, especially if their competition offers protection.

As far as saving the job, or rehiring after recovery, if the worker was skilled and added value to the company I see no reason why he couldn't get rehired. If the worker is disabled, hopefully they will have thought of the possibly and planned for such an event. If there was negligence on the companies part, example faulty equipment, hope he has a good lawyer.

10% unemployment, I doubt they'd have any trouble attracting workers at all. At the end of the day you have to eat.

I'm less worried about whether or not the company would rehire him after he's healed.

 

[her209]

false. as a young healthy individual, i would gladly take higher pay over health benefits, as would many others.

so you think it's a good idea that health care is completely tied to your employers? that one of the main reasons that cost of health care is rising to the point of being unaffordable is a good idea?

Companies need to mix healthy with their "unhealthy" employees otherwise their monthly premiums would be through the roof without the healthy employees offsetting some of the costs. And when the healthy employees become "unhealthy" themselves, they'll have high premiums since they didn't "contribute" when they were healthy.

 

[ShawnD1]

false. as a young healthy individual, i would gladly take higher pay over health benefits, as would many others.

Healthy people never have any skill. Our senior engineer around here just had surgery for some stomach thing or something.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Companies need to mix healthy with their "unhealthy" employees otherwise their monthly premiums would be through the roof without the healthy employees offsetting some of the costs. And when the healthy employees become "unhealthy" themselves, they'll have high premiums since they didn't "contribute" when they were healthy.

or.... we should've never let HC to be administered by employers?

 

[ShawnD1]

or.... we should've never let HC to be administered by employers?

Nobody is forcing you to. You can always call an insurance company and buy some insurance.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Nobody is forcing you to. You can always call an insurance company and buy some insurance.

i would, if employer administered HC didn't drive the prices up sky high (if i needed to buy HC).

plus the fact that they won't reimburse me nearly the same amount in salary, if i elect not to opt in.
so why would i chose the lose/lose option?

 

[ShawnD1]

i would, if employer administered HC didn't drive the prices up sky high (if i needed to buy HC).

Insurance is not what drives the price up. Other countries with free health care still need to pay millions of dollars to buy the latest equipment. A single MRI machine costs 1-2 million dollars to purchase and almost a million dollars per year to operate. That's just 1 machine. There's no amount of insurance or no insurance that could ever bring that down.

plus the fact that they won't reimburse me nearly the same amount in salary, if i elect not to opt in.
so why would i chose the lose/lose option?

They give you less than market value to prevent people from fucking themselves. You opt out of insurance, never see a doctor because you don't feel like getting wallet raped, then you die from cancer because it was never detected and now your company needs to find a new employee.
They also don't let people opt out of free coffee or free lunch programs. For every $1 of coffee money they give back, they lose $20 worth of productivity, and the employers are not smart enough to bring their own coffee.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Insurance is not what drives the price up. Other countries with free health care still need to pay millions of dollars to buy the latest equipment. A single MRI machine costs 1-2 million dollars to purchase and almost a million dollars per year to operate. That's just 1 machine. There's no amount of insurance or no insurance that could ever bring that down.



They give you less than market value to prevent people from fucking themselves. You opt out of insurance, never see a doctor because you don't feel like getting wallet raped, then you die from cancer because it was never detected and now your company needs to find a new employee.
They also don't let people opt out of free coffee or free lunch programs. For every $1 of coffee money they give back, they lose $20 worth of productivity, and the employers are not smart enough to bring their own coffee.

great, so we screwed HC costs for the whole world.

 

[ShawnD1]

great, so we screwed HC costs for the whole world.

Yep. Most of the good countries spend a very large percentage of their money on health care.

here's britain budget:

 

[Wyndru]

I think your company is the exception, not the rule. Frankly, your company sounds horribly mismanaged - from what I can tell, software companies are headed in the exact opposite direction. At my workplace we're actually forcing contract developers to go full time or letting them go. The immense loss of time and money from turnover is something we're all desperate to avoid.

Maybe it's different in other companies, but when we had a development project coming up, the software engineers would plan out a timetable that the development should take, and they would hire temps for that particular job. Once the job was complete and it's fully documented, the temps were let go, and the engineers left behind would provide any support needed. Then rinse and repeat.

A lot of the base code in these projects ends up being so micromanaged that it can be split up amongst kids with little to no programming experience, and the more experienced coders just guide them and help them out a bit, almost like an internship. With most compilers these days basically correcting syntax as you type, it's not exactly hard to find qualified bodies to fill the temp positions. Just give them a flowchart of how the code should work, and off they go.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Actually, it's the high costs of complying with Obamacare that provide a huge disincentive to hire full time employees. They can get around that by using part-time labor which is exactly why we're seeing this.

Because health insurance was so reasonably priced in 2009 and earlier.

I'm not even necessarily disagreeing with you as I don't know enough about the health care law to form an opinion on what it'll do to the cost of doing business, but it's ridiculous to pin it entirely on that. Health insurance and care costs have been ridiculously high for a long time now. Also, aren't there still a lot of provisions of that law that haven't taken effect yet?

Everyone ought to have some form of health insurance, but the insurance companies have priced people out of it. In recent years it's gotten so expensive that they've priced businesses out of providing it as well, Obamacare or no.

 

[RockinZ28]

false. as a young healthy individual, i would gladly take higher pay over health benefits, as would many others.

so you think it's a good idea that health care is completely tied to your employers? that one of the main reasons that cost of health care is rising to the point of being unaffordable is a good idea?

fyi, i'm speaking solely about health benefits, not other perks.

Yea back when I was 21 I was offered this because I was considered a temporary employee. Said you can get paid $23.xx/hr and have benefits and join the union, or take $31.38/hr and have nothing. Guess what I chose?

I actually started working with the same company in 2009 again, and still am. I asked if I could do the same as before, but they said no because I'm not a temp .