Are members responsible for their group's actions? (E.g., Muslims and Islam)

[Moonbeam]

If they are not involved with the groups' activities why do they need to be part of the group?

Renounce your citizenship you worthless piece of shit. In America you are innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Moonbeam]

That's a very good point. A group of terrorists were upset with the actions of America's richest bastards who run the government, so they killed thousands of people who mostly had nothing to do with the government.

In response, the same basic thing happened. A legitimate conflict in Afghanistan somehow turned into a conflict with Iraq even though Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with it.

This happens quite often. I was watching a documentary about WW1 and part of it said that Germans who had moved to Britain were endlessly harassed for the duration of the war. It doesn't matter if this German is a British citizen and has nothing to do with WW1, he's German so that's reason enough to be a dick to him.

Folk who hate themselves project that hate out onto others and have paranoid delusions thereby, that the evil other is out to get them. You will always find these cowards screaming for somebody else to kill all these evil others, but of course, it's never them who will do the killing. Too fucking cowardly for that.

 

[BassBomb]

i never chose to be a muslim, i just keepin face with my family .... whether i follow or practise lolz

 

[Tristicus]

You libtards would love to blame others actions on somebody else.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Yes and no.

Japanese internment camps would be my defense for NO. Japanese americans shouldnt of had to pay for others actions.


Yes when we speak about Muslim's actions, because, many of these muslims will go out and say " not all muslims are extremists", but now ONE will condemn the actions of terrorist groups.

 

[Moonbeam]

You libtards would love to blame others actions on somebody else.

You asshole, stop blaming the libtards.

 

[sandorski]

100% YES! Until it affects ME!!!

 

[Throckmorton]

No, they shouldn't be held responsible. I just want them to stop with the "he wasn't a true ___" bullshit.

 

[Murloc]

I think that individuals aren't responsible.
If you're born as a christian in a farm, you don't change your religion if there's no reason to do so.
You inherit it.
Same for a muslim.

You are responsible only if you actively help the negative actions.

 

[1prophet]

Yes and no.

Japanese internment camps would be my defense for NO. Japanese americans shouldnt of had to pay for others actions.


Yes when we speak about Muslim's actions, because, many of these muslims will go out and say " not all muslims are extremists", but now ONE will condemn the actions of terrorist groups.

Muslims do condemn the actions of terrorist groups but sometimes have to pay a heavy price, something other religions don't have to fear as much today, which is used as an example to the rest.

Message of Islam is not jihad, fatwahs

by: JAMAL MIFTAH
Sunday, October 29, 2006





I moved to the United States in March 2003, with my four kids and wife from Pakistan bordering Afghanistan. There was a call by a local jihadi organization to fight the coalition forces in Afghanistan. One of my dearest friends, Mirza Kohistani, fell prey to that call and joined the group, despite my advice and that of his wife to him.

All the leaders of that organization returned safely after the fall of the Taliban empire, but they left behind the body of my friend and hundreds of other innocent people like him.

I am obliged to respond to Ayman al-Zawahri's recent video message, portraying himself as champion of Islam and others as liars.

My message to Ayman al-Zawahri and Muslims of the world: "Islam" means submission and is derived from a word meaning "peace." Islam, Christianity and Judaism have the same origin, the Prophet Abraham. The prophet of Islam has said that God has no mercy on someone who does not have mercy for others.

I ask that al-Zawahri look at his deeds and those of his master, Osama bin Laden, and other so-called Islamic jihadists.

Because of lack of knowledge of Islam, Muslim youth are misguided into believing by the so-called champions of the cause of Islam that the current spate of killings and barbarism, which has no equal in the recent civilized history, is jihad in the name of Islam. They are incited, in the name of Islam, to commit heinous crimes not pardonable by any religion and strictly forbidden in Islam.

Cowards like al-Zawahri and bin Laden are inciting the ignorant and innocent youths to commit suicide bombings to kill innocent civilians including children, women and the elderly, while they hide in spider holes and caves. They never send their own sons and daughters, born out of half a dozen of their wives, to get killed in the name of Islam. They are themselves hypo crites, cowards, thugs and liars. For 12 years they misappropriated aid received from the U.S. and the West to fight Russia. Now they are ensuring smooth flow of petro dollars from Arab countries in the name of jihad against the West.

Even mosques and Islamic institutions in the U.S. and around the world have become tools in their hands and are used for collecting funds for their criminal acts. Half of the funds collected go into the pockets of their local agents and the rest are sent to these thugs.

They are the reason for branding the peaceful religion of Islam as terrorism. The result, therefore, is in the form of Danish cartoons and remarks/reference by the Pope.

I appeal to the Muslim youth in particular and Muslims of the world in general to rise up and start jihad against the killers of humanity and help the civilized world to bring these culprits to justice and prove that Islam is not a religion of hatred and aggression.

I appeal to the Muslim clerics around the world that, rather than issuing empty fatwas condemning suicide bombing, they should issue a fatwa for the death of such scoundrels and barbarians who have taken more than 4,267 lives of innocent people in the name of Islam and have carried out more than 24 terrorist attacks on civilian installations throughout the world. This does not include the chilling number of deaths because of such activities in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is well over 250,000.

I appeal to al-Zawahri and his band of thugs to hand themselves over to justice and stop spreading evil and killing innocent humans around the world in the name of Islam. Their time is limited and Muslims of the world will soon rise against them to apprehend them and bring them to justice.




Jamal Miftah is a resident of Tulsa.

And the reward he gets is being kicked out of the mosque and told he has to apologize in order to return.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbkrKH7SCio


And this is not a Madrassa or radical mosque but one that would be considered moderate and peaceful.

They considered what Jamal Miftah did to the equivalent of one speaking out against a family member in the presence of strangers, doesn't matter if you are right or wrong you are not supposed to do that.

 

[1prophet]

I think that individuals aren't responsible.
If you're born as a christian in a farm, you don't change your religion if there's no reason to do so.
You inherit it.
Same for a muslim.

You are responsible only if you actively help the negative actions.

What religion would a person be if his mother was muslim and his father a christian?

Religion is a choice, things you inherit by birth are not an example would be your genetic makeup.

To say otherwise would be going down the same nonsensical path as those that claim President Obama is a muslim because he inherited his religion from his father.

 

[sandorski]

What religion would a person be if his mother was muslim and his father a christian?

Religion is a choice, things you inherit by birth are not an example would be your genetic makeup.

To say otherwise would be going down the same nonsensical path as those that claim President Obama is a muslim because he inherited his religion from his father.

There are exceptions, obviously, but the facts are that the vast majority of members of any Religion have Inherited that Religion from their Parents.

 

[ShawnD1]

What religion would a person be if his mother was muslim and his father a christian?

Sounds like he might be a homosexual in that case :hmm:

To say otherwise would be going down the same nonsensical path as those that claim President Obama is a muslim because he inherited his religion from his father.

The birthers didn't claim he was Muslim because of his father. It's because his family lived in Indonesia, a country which is about 85% Muslim. It's similar to how you would naturally assume someone from Saudi Arabia was Muslim or that someone from Brazil was Roman Catholic.

 

[Infohawk]

There are exceptions, obviously, but the facts are that the vast majority of members of any Religion have Inherited that Religion from their Parents.

That doesn't mean it's not a choice. The fact is the vast majority of people don't think and don't want to rock the boat. It's not "inherited."

 

[dahunan]

What religion would a person be if his mother was muslim and his father a christian?

Religion is a choice, things you inherit by birth are not an example would be your genetic makeup.

To say otherwise would be going down the same nonsensical path as those that claim President Obama is a muslim because he inherited his religion from his father.

Where were you born...

How long have you lived in any nation dominated by religious oppression like Iran/Saudi Arabia / Egypt / et al...

they are indoctrinated from the first moment their ears can hear the call to prayer..

 

[JEDIYoda]

He is choosing to be part of an organization that tolerates child molesters.

your an idiot, your ignorance about the people who are catholic as compared to the very few priests who screw up is so very obvious....

 

[JEDIYoda]

That doesn't mean it's not a choice. The fact is the vast majority of people don't think and don't want to rock the boat. It's not "inherited."

you have no proof to back up your twisted uneducated phony logic...

 

[ShawnD1]

your an idiot, your ignorance about the people who are catholic as compared to the very few priests who screw up is so very obvious....

Actually there's quite a bit of evidence that the Catholic church tries to cover up child molestation on a very high level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpZz8Ps6u6M&feature=player_embedded#!

I've distanced myself from the Catholic church quite a bit just because I don't want to be associated with that. I also don't like being associated with their anti-condom, pro-HIV campaign which is another thing officially supported by the pope.

 

[sandorski]

That doesn't mean it's not a choice. The fact is the vast majority of people don't think and don't want to rock the boat. It's not "inherited."

Like I said, there are exceptions. The vast Majority, however, Inherit their Religion.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Actually there's quite a bit of evidence that the Catholic church tries to cover up child molestation on a very high level.

That's as may be, but does it mean we should spread the blame out on a very low level? (ie. to all catholics)?

 

[PieIsAwesome]

lol, so if I were to declare now that I am Muslim, I would now share responsibility for crimes committed by a few criminal Muslims. Oh wait, I switch back, now I'm not responsible. Now I'm Muslim again, now I am responsible. Yet I haven't actually done anything, and never had any influence over the actions of criminal Muslims. Would this be any different if I really did become Muslim? No.

 

[Moonbeam]

Where were you born...

How long have you lived in any nation dominated by religious oppression like Iran/Saudi Arabia / Egypt / et al...

they are indoctrinated from the first moment their ears can hear the call to prayer..

As if you weren't.

 

[Jimbo]

As if you weren't.

As if you ARE?
Go to Saudi Arabia and preach the virtues of atheism and then report back to us if that experience was any different for you than it is here.

 

[gaidensensei]

There's lots of Falung DaFa members, especially on US college campuses, who seem to have no idea what they're getting involved with.
I think Falung DaFa groups get killed, jailed in mainland asia.

Thus I don't think they're exactly responsible - some have no complete grasp over what their group is involved in, the understanding of the deep and inner aspects of it.

 

[Noobtastic]

Stupid thread.

Are individuals responsible for the actions of a group they belong to?

no, of course not.

Unless of course you support it.

Take, scientologists for example. If you are a scientologist you're contributing to a cult movement that enslaves individuals and robs them of their wealth (monetary and spiritual).

As far as religion goes, it's all relative.

If you are a Muslim who lives in a despotic Muslim state, you aren't automatically guilty.

But, if you do not protest at the inhumanity of your leaders, and say nothing as they export terrorism to other planets and promote the hatred of women, jews, and religious/ethnic/sexual minorities...I say you more than qualify as an accomplice.

If you don't want to be considered a bad muslim don't behave like a bad muslim.

very easy.

If you start whining about how the Islamist states are victim to American imperialism, how we must understand their shitty culture and pathetic leadership....then you are likely a bad muslim.