Are members responsible for their group's actions? (E.g., Muslims and Islam)

[piasabird]

I must be guilty of being a communist and a marxist just like O'Bumma.

 

[StageLeft]

In part, yes.

 

[CKent]

How is a Catholic father working 8 hour shifts in Ecuador responsible for a Catholic priest in Boston fondling pre-pubescent boys?

The dollar Jose puts in the basket ends up in Vatican coffers, where it helps pay to relocate the priest when he's caught and maybe line a few pockets to keep people quiet.

He is also playing a small part in the power represented by numbers. We shake our head sadly at seeing Marshall Applewhite or David Koresh criticized, but we cringe a bit when we see the pope criticized. Watch this at 3:15 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPlEKuQCetI&playnext_from=TL&videos=oVIPJFx2JrU - notice the audience's subdued reaction. Maher goes on to express my point, so go ahead and finish if you want.

The only difference is in the number of followers.

Mustafa nodding his head in silent approval of 9/11 is not as guilty as the plane hijackers, but without the irrational west-hate felt by his 1+ billion fellow worshippers, 9/11 would not have happened.

 

[Acanthus]

They must outright condemn and actively show their condemnation of their actions to be absolved as a group.

I would think the same of violent groups of any other religion.

Religion ties together groups of people through a like belief system. Organized terrorist groups that operate under the guise of your belief system are an attack directly on the religion itself if you do not agree with it.

Think McVeigh. Christians everywhere WTF'd at him, many praised his execution.

 

[werepossum]

The members of an identifiable group cannot be punished for the criminal actions of a few members except to the extent that they aid and condone those actions and obstruct efforts to stop those actions. However the innocent members of an identifiable group should be willing to endure with good humor additional scrutiny as long as those few members continue to offend.

 

[Acanthus]

The members of an identifiable group cannot be punished for the criminal actions of a few members except to the extent that they aid and condone those actions and obstruct efforts to stop those actions. However the innocent members of an identifiable group should be willing to endure with good humor additional scrutiny as long as those few members continue to offend.

Agreed.

 

[irishScott]

No, but if they don't agree with their group's actions they have a responsibility to either split off from the group (if the group is the majority) or denounce the group (if the group is a minority).

To use Islam as an example, actually read a study a few years back that basically showed most Muslims identify first and foremost with their faith. Thus they see themselves as Muslim before any nationality, career or other personal trait. The study posited the lack of backlash to the fact that, however much they may disagree with the terrorists' actions, they still at some (sub-concious?) level relate to the terrorists more than the victims; simply due to their shared faith.