are many conservatives christian fascists in disguise

[norseamd]

many conservatives have complained about the difference between obama and putin. many have said they wished we had a leader that was as tough and headstrong as putin. many conservatives have expressed their admiration of putin and the media has picked up on this.

however now many conservatives have siad that russian intervention in crimea is reasonable and that putin has a right to do what he is doing. are many conservatives actually in full support of putin and wish that putin and his fundamentalist politics would rule the us?

 

[JManInPhoenix]

A420?

 

[Strk]

Conservatives? No. Republicans? They're just interested in whatever Obama is against. They don't care how bad whatever it is, just that it is against Obama.

 

[werepossum]

Interesting that the many lefties encouraging and applauding Obama's extra-legal activities don't seem to trigger the same scrutiny in your world.

 

[Fern]

many conservatives have complained about the difference between obama and putin. many have said they wished we had a leader that was as tough and headstrong as putin. many conservatives have expressed their admiration of putin and the media has picked up on this.

however now many conservatives have siad that russian intervention in crimea is reasonable and that putin has a right to do what he is doing. are many conservatives actually in full support of putin and wish that putin and his fundamentalist politics would rule the us?

Make no mistake Putin is our enemy.

But that doesn't mean he can't have some qualities of leadership that are admirable. Namely, he has a very clear vision for how wants to empower and grow Russia, he's shown some very shrewd tactical ability, he measures risk/reward well (at least so far) and he takes action, sometimes boldly, to execute his game plan.

He's also very authoritarian. He's amoral, if not downright immoral, and he has no respect for the law etc.

I haven't heard any conservative say that they feel russian intervention in crimea is reasonable and that putin has a right to do what he is doing.

What I have heard is alarm.

Fern

 

[sandorski]

American Conservative fluffing of Putin is puzzling to say the least. I think most of it is just their hatred of Obama, but some of it reflects Putin's actions regarding Homosexuals and that's the most disturbing part of it. Uganda made them look bad and they distanced themselves from it, however Putin has introduced a harsh, but not quite as harsh, Uganda-light policy on the subject.

 

[norseamd]

Interesting that the many lefties encouraging and applauding Obama's extra-legal activities don't seem to trigger the same scrutiny in your world.

how so?

i noticed obama had a thing for the intelligence community long before snowden. remember that he was the one that found and got osama. he has a tendancy to act like a security hardass even if a corrupt one. i have complained about the corruption of obama many time so i do not support him any more than other politicians. he is nothing like bill clinton. you forget how many people hate obama even liberals.

no praise for obama

and so no not true

 

[norseamd]

Make no mistake Putin is our enemy.

But that doesn't mean he can't have some qualities of leadership that are admirable. Namely, he has a very clear vision for how wants to empower and grow Russia, he's shown some very shrewd tactical ability, he measures risk/reward well (at least so far) and he takes action, sometimes boldly, to execute his game plan.

He's also very authoritarian. He's amoral, if not downright immoral, and he has no respect for the law etc.

I haven't heard any conservative say that they feel russian intervention in crimea is reasonable and that putin has a right to do what he is doing.

What I have heard is alarm.

Fern

so maybe i wrote that wrong

many conservatives have expressed admiration for some of putins qualities

however some conservatives have now said that the russian intervention is just and reasonable. this may be related to non interventionist and such however they are also promoting the russian side of things and not just saying that we should do nothing.

many conservatives used to talk about how putin was evil and a threat and how we need to fight him. now some are supporting the russian side of the conflict. this concerns me greatly

 

[werepossum]

how so?

i noticed obama had a thing for the intelligence community long before snowden. remember that he was the one that found and got osama. he has a tendancy to act like a security hardass even if a corrupt one. i have complained about the corruption of obama many time so i do not support him any more than other politicians. he is nothing like bill clinton. you forget how many people hate obama even liberals.

no praise for obama

and so no not true

Obama tapping the phones and computers of all Americans and where possible all foreigners, include allied foreign leaders.

Obama specifically tapping the phones and computers of journalists who do not toe the line.

Obama proposing to use executive orders to obtain what previously everyone agreed required legislation.

Obama unilaterally changing things in existing law, such as immigration and the ACA, sometimes without even bothering with an executive order.

Generally speaking these things are all cheered by the left who want power more concentrated, not less. Fascism is replacing the rule of law with the rule by decree, not merely whatever you dislike. If one sets aside the nationalistic aspect, the left has much more fascist tendencies than does the right.

 

[Fern]

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however some conservatives have now said that the russian intervention is just and reasonable. this may be related to non interventionist and such however they are also promoting the russian side of things and not just saying that we should do nothing.

I haven't heard this myself. But lately I've primarily been watching AJAM (Al Jazeera) for news and they may not cover such.

If the conservatives expressing that the Crimea was just & reasonable are Congresspersons it may that they think there isn't much we can do so they want to 'deescalate' it, or maybe their constituents are telling them they don't want us involved etc.

many conservatives used to talk about how putin was evil and a threat and how we need to fight him. now some are supporting the russian side of the conflict. this concerns me greatly

That some conservatives are supporting Russia is quite surprising to me.

Fern

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

They aren't really in disguise.

 

[norseamd]

That some conservatives are supporting Russia is quite surprising to me.

they may or may not be paleocons or some other far right group

which it is unforunate that many are moving away from neocons and to more far right political spectrums. however i would guess that american politics as a whole are likely fragmenting

 

[norseamd]

well that did not take long to find something

granted i did know where to look for this

http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/behind-the-russian-rage/

 

[Vic]

They aren't really in disguise.

This.

 

[Newell Steamer]

The conservative name and the Christian name have been hijacked.

They aren't conservatives, nor even Christians. They are a bunch of bigots, thieves and crooks.

They have also fooled the real people who want little government and freedom to worship God.

 

[BUnit1701]

so maybe i wrote that wrong

many conservatives have expressed admiration for some of putins qualities

however some conservatives have now said that the russian intervention is just and reasonable. this may be related to non interventionist and such however they are also promoting the russian side of things and not just saying that we should do nothing.

many conservatives used to talk about how putin was evil and a threat and how we need to fight him. now some are supporting the russian side of the conflict. this concerns me greatly

Those with this view likely understand the chain of events that led to the anexation of Crimea, chiefly the fact that the riots/overthrow of Ukraine were largely funded and controlled by the EU and US. Russia merely responded to our move.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

many conservatives have complained about the difference between obama and putin. many have said they wished we had a leader that was as tough and headstrong as putin. many conservatives have expressed their admiration of putin and the media has picked up on this.

however now many conservatives have siad that russian intervention in crimea is reasonable and that putin has a right to do what he is doing. are many conservatives actually in full support of putin and wish that putin and his fundamentalist politics would rule the us?

Christian facists? You seem to be an incredibly disgusting bigot...are you?

 

[Vic]

Christian facists? You seem to be an incredibly disgusting bigot...are you?

He didn't say that all Christians are fascists. Nor that all fascists are Christians.

 

[alzan]

Obama tapping the phones and computers of all Americans and where possible all foreigners, include allied foreign leaders.

Obama specifically tapping the phones and computers of journalists who do not toe the line.

Obama proposing to use executive orders to obtain what previously everyone agreed required legislation.

Obama unilaterally changing things in existing law, such as immigration and the ACA, sometimes without even bothering with an executive order.

Generally speaking these things are all cheered by the left who want power more concentrated, not less. Fascism is replacing the rule of law with the rule by decree, not merely whatever you dislike. If one sets aside the nationalistic aspect, the left has much more fascist tendencies than does the right.

I don't think not speaking out about a particular policy equals cheering. Complacency is a real problem and it's engaged in by members of all political stripes.

I am concerned with those issues listed as well as others but not surprised; since 9/11 our country has instituted many changes that would have been done by Democrat or Republican leadership.

It would be nice if both sides of the Congressional fence would simply start doing the business of the country and stop the partisan nonsense. It would be nice if the Executive branch would stop usurping non-Constitutional power and stopped looking for wiggle-room from the DOJ.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

He didn't say that all Christians are fascists. Nor that all fascists are Christians.

You're right...he didn't say that. But I never said he said it either...now did I? Perhaps that should have been your first clue.

And he also didn't say that "all" conservatives were "Christian facists" either....just "some" because they may have had the audacity to unfavorably compare/contrast the leadership skills of Putin and Obama. In addition to being a bigot, this guy is a nutcase as well. This becomes clear with his closing question "are many conservatives actually in full support of putin and wish that putin and his fundamentalist politics would rule the us?" Unfortunately simple-minded bigots like this are a dime a dozen in this forum. But do feel free to defend him if you feel so compelled.

 

[werepossum]

I don't think not speaking out about a particular policy equals cheering. Complacency is a real problem and it's engaged in by members of all political stripes.

I am concerned with those issues listed as well as others but not surprised; since 9/11 our country has instituted many changes that would have been done by Democrat or Republican leadership.

It would be nice if both sides of the Congressional fence would simply start doing the business of the country and stop the partisan nonsense. It would be nice if the Executive branch would stop usurping non-Constitutional power and stopped looking for wiggle-room from the DOJ.

Would indeed be nice, except for those of us likely to suffer heart attacks were something so unlikely to happen.

 

[bshole]

Make no mistake Putin is our enemy.

Aren't conservatives America's (nay the WORLD's) enemy?

Putin is NOT our enemy YET, but neo-cons are doing their damndest to turn him into one. For some perverse reason, they are trying to rush us into a NUCLEAR exchange.

Why don't you give the war drums a rest? Defuse, defuse, defuse...... stop the inflammation.......

 

[norseamd]

Aren't conservatives America's (nay the WORLD's) enemy?

Putin is NOT our enemy YET, but neo-cons are doing their damndest to turn him into one. For some perverse reason, they are trying to rush us into a NUCLEAR exchange.

Why don't you give the war drums a rest? Defuse, defuse, defuse...... stop the inflammation.......

putin is doing that himself

he is using religious politics as his power base

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Aren't conservatives America's (nay the WORLD's) enemy?

Putin is NOT our enemy YET, but neo-cons are doing their damndest to turn him into one. For some perverse reason, they are trying to rush us into a NUCLEAR exchange.

Why don't you give the war drums a rest? Defuse, defuse, defuse...... stop the inflammation.......

If I remember correctly "Neo-con Obama" was ready to rush into Syria before calmer heads prevailed. Also, he's our current commander-in-chief if I recall correctly....perhaps you should be more worried about him than boogieman conservatives. Question...where would you draw the "red line" with our good friend Mr. Putin? Ukraine? Transnistria? Moldova?

 

[norseamd]

If I remember correctly "Neo-con Obama" was ready to rush into Syria before calmer heads prevailed. Also, he's our current commander-in-chief if I recall correctly....perhaps you should be more worried about him than boogieman conservatives. Question...where would you draw the "red line" with our good friend Mr. Putin? Ukraine? Transnistria? Moldova?

putin already crossed the line

this could have been fine if crimea had stayed a de facto independent state like south ossetia or abkhanzia. instead he took it upon himself to annex crimea and then divide them as crimea and sevestopol to even more claim russian hegemony over the area