are many conservatives christian fascists in disguise

[norseamd]

Those with this view likely understand the chain of events that led to the anexation of Crimea, chiefly the fact that the riots/overthrow of Ukraine were largely funded and controlled by the EU and US. Russia merely responded to our move.

while i acnoladge the us role in this the russian invasion and annexation is what is the problem here. putin could have meddled back in the affairs and instead he threw a fit. you are ignoring what led up to this. the ukrainian government was going to release political prisoners and then they got money from moscow to clamp down on protestors

so those with a mind can see that putin brought this on himself so instead of the us or eu

 

[Fern]

Aren't conservatives America's (nay the WORLD's) enemy?

How trite.

Putin is NOT our enemy YET, but neo-cons are doing their damndest to turn him into one.

Putin has long been our enemy. He has sought to counter us at just about every move on the international scene. That's not something your friends do.

His objective in 'pushing' us down is to raise Russia up.

The Obama admin tried to play 'nice' and got nothing for it but sharp elbows.

For some perverse reason, they are trying to rush us into a NUCLEAR exchange.

Why don't you give the war drums a rest? Defuse, defuse, defuse...... stop the inflammation.......

That's a bunch of FUD. The only people bringing up nukes etc are those like yourself.

Fern

 

[norseamd]

Christian facists? You seem to be an incredibly disgusting bigot...are you?

no

You're right...he didn't say that. But I never said he said it either...now did I? Perhaps that should have been your first clue. And he also didn't say that "all" conservatives were "Christian facists" either....just "some" because they may have had the audacity to unfavorably compare/contrast the leadership skills of Putin and Obama. In addition to being a bigot, this guy is a nutcase as well. This becomes clear with his closing question "are many conservatives actually in full support of putin and wish that putin and his fundamentalist politics would rule the us?" Unfortunately simple-minded bigots like this are a dime a dozen in this forum. But do feel free to defend him if you feel so compelled.

never siad anything when they were just comparing obama to putin but when they started supporting the actions of putin and russian intervention that is when i started to seem startled and worried

 

[bshole]

How trite.

Putin has long been our enemy. He has sought to counter us at just about every move on the international scene.

Fern

Given that America has made one gawd-awful atrocious move after another... Given that America's policies of the last decade and a half have created more death and mayhem than Russia could ever conceive of... Given that, THANK GOD somebody is countering us.

You have to understand that America has a minority of blood thirsty jackels and chicken hawks that are pushing us into one war after another. They do not represent America, they represent the worst of America.

 

[norseamd]

Given that America has made one gawd-awful atrocious move after another... Given that America's policies of the last decade and a half have created more death and mayhem than Russia could ever conceive of... Given that, THANK GOD somebody is countering us.

You have to understand that America has a minority of blood thirsty jackels and chicken hawks that are pushing us into one war after another. They do not represent America, they represent the worst of America.

have you ever read about the last 500 years of russian history

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

never siad anything when they were just comparing obama to putin but when they started supporting the actions of putin and russian intervention that is when i started to seem startled and worried

Who are "they"? Christian facists? And therein lies the rub.

 

[BoberFett]

Aren't conservatives America's (nay the WORLD's) enemy?

Putin is NOT our enemy YET, but neo-cons are doing their damndest to turn him into one. For some perverse reason, they are trying to rush us into a NUCLEAR exchange.

Why don't you give the war drums a rest? Defuse, defuse, defuse...... stop the inflammation.......

You're a "liberal", and I'm an American. I guess that makes "liberals" America's enemy.

Are you sure you're not the return of Ausm? You're equally as stupid as that slack jawed idiot, and from the same state. Or is everyone from Wisconsin that's a monumental moron?

Wait, I already know the answer...

 

[Fern]

Given that America has made one gawd-awful atrocious move after another... Given that America's policies of the last decade and a half have created more death and mayhem than Russia could ever conceive of... Given that, THANK GOD somebody is countering us.

You have to understand that America has a minority of blood thirsty jackels and chicken hawks that are pushing us into one war after another. They do not represent America, they represent the worst of America.

The premise of this thread is that conservative support Putin.

Congrats, as a liberal you just shot that all to h3ll.

Fern

 

[norseamd]

The premise of this thread is that conservative support Putin.

Congrats, as a liberal you just shot that all to h3ll.

Fern

no the premise is that some conservatives have started to move away from prior positions and are now supporting putin

sorry for my bad english paper skill

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

no the premise is that some conservatives have started to move away from prior positions and are now supporting putin

sorry for my bad english paper skill

Who are these "Christian facists" you speak of? Why would you even use such a term as when it's not even remotely relevant to this discussion? Bad English appears to be the least of your issues.

 

[norseamd]

Who are these "Christian facists" you speak of? Why would you even use such a term as if it's even remotely relevant to this discussion? Bad English appears to be the least of your issues.

so those who would support a totalitarian theocratic state would be christian fascists

please tell me we need to have a conversation about whether at least some of those exist in the us

and yes it is relevant to the discussion

 

[cubby1223]

many conservatives have complained about the difference between obama and putin. many have said they wished we had a leader that was as tough and headstrong as putin. many conservatives have expressed their admiration of putin and the media has picked up on this.

however now many conservatives have siad that russian intervention in crimea is reasonable and that putin has a right to do what he is doing. are many conservatives actually in full support of putin and wish that putin and his fundamentalist politics would rule the us?

You don't have a firm grasp on what you are talking about. Not even a loose grasp.

 

[norseamd]

You don't have a firm grasp on what you are talking about. Not even a loose grasp.

alright so you apparently do

what is going on

 

[cubby1223]

alright so you apparently do

what is going on

I'll answer your question - no. The only thing left to discuss is where you get your information from. It's up to you if you want to continue that discussion or not.

 

[BoberFett]

Given that America has made one gawd-awful atrocious move after another... Given that America's policies of the last decade and a half have created more death and mayhem than Russia could ever conceive of... Given that, THANK GOD somebody is countering us.

You have to understand that America has a minority of blood thirsty jackels and chicken hawks that are pushing us into one war after another. They do not represent America, they represent the worst of America.

The premise of this thread is that conservative support Putin.

Congrats, as a liberal you just shot that all to h3ll.

Fern

no the premise is that some conservatives have started to move away from prior positions and are now supporting putin

sorry for my bad english paper skill

Are you a two account troll? Are you bshole and norseamd? Fern was quoting bshole, and you responded to his criticsm.

You both are functionally illiterate based on your posts, so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[norseamd]

Are you a two account troll? Are you bshole and norseamd? Fern was quoting bshole, and you responded to his criticsm. You both are functionally illiterate based on your posts, so it wouldn't surprise me.

no

i was trying to avoid confusion that i was talking about all conservatives

that was the reason i used a numerical adjective in the title in the first place

all or most would not work. some would imply a very few or insegnificant. many seems like it would be inbetween either of those

 

[Fern]

are many conservatives christian fascists in disguise

they may or may not be paleocons or some other far right group

which it is unforunate that many are moving away from neocons and to more far right political spectrums. however i would guess that american politics as a whole are likely fragmenting

well that did not take long to find something

granted i did know where to look for this

http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/behind-the-russian-rage/

This discussion seems a bit confused.

We have:

- fascism

- conservatives

-christians

- neocons

-paleocons

Pat Buchanan is the conservative who has been offered up as an example of moving to support Putin etc.

I think he's a poor example. Firstly, he's long been a staunch isolationist. I think his article is more about why we shouldn't get involved (his isolationist position) than support for Putin's actions.

Secondly, he is a paleocon. Paleocons support limited govt and are opposed to federalism. These positions are strongly antithetical to fascism.

So, pulling in Buchanan as example of conservatives, whether Christian or not, as being fascists only serves to disprove that theory.

As to conservatives in general, fascism demands a strong authoritarian govt and a state controlled economy and these are antithetical to most principals advocated by conservative. (To be sure, the Republicans have talked a lot about limited govt but largely failed to produce.) So, I don't think the term fascist, as classically defined, applies here.

I'm not sure why the term "Christian" is even invoked. I don't believe self-identified Christians support Putin or Russia. For the longest time they viewed Russia as an enemy. Godless commies and what not. I couldn't find a poll but have trouble seeing that that has changed.

I also don't believe many Christians are in favor of an authoritarian govt, theocratic or not. I don't think many trust large govts.

I think what little 'support' there is for Putin is a combination of unrelated and disparate groups such as paleocons (because of their isolationist policy), anti-war liberals, anti-American type like bshole and old school liberal russophiles.

So, my answer would be 'no' to your question in the thread title.

Fern

 

[norseamd]

I'll answer your question - no. The only thing left to discuss is where you get your information from. It's up to you if you want to continue that discussion or not.

the user name incorruptable1223 would probably be availabe for you

 

[norseamd]

So, my answer would be 'no' to your question in the thread title.

fair enough

 

[norseamd]

so if putin had not annexed crimea maybe stuff like this might have gotten more attention

http://www.unz.com/proberts/western-looting-of-ukraine-has-begun/

 

[cubby1223]

the user name incorruptable1223 would probably be availabe for you

I supplied equal an amount of support to my answer of your question as you provided in your opening post. This is the question of a conspiracy nutjob:

are many conservatives actually in full support of putin and wish that putin and his fundamentalist politics would rule the us?

In my experience, conspiracy nutjobs cannot be reasoned with, and are a complete waste of time trying to. I hope you are not a nutjob.

It is also my opinion that the vast majority of Americans agree with me to the answer to your question, thus I am not obligated to provide supporting evidence because there is no one I need to convince.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Make no mistake Putin is our enemy.

How is Putin our enemy? Is he threatening to invade our territories or seize or our merchant ships?

 

[werepossum]

How is Putin our enemy? Is he threatening to invade our territories or seize or our merchant ships?

So we should only oppose nations invading territories when they are our territories? Didn't we try peace in our time with rather poor results?

More to the point, Putin is the one who arms and protects our enemies. Russia made itself our enemy long ago. For a long time we thought otherwise; now it merely appears that for awhile Russia was unable to effectively oppose us, a failure of ability rather than enmity. Now that Russia is flush with energy money, we are disabused of that delusion.

 

[MongGrel]

But still Dubya looked into Putin's eyes once, and recognized I still don't know what.

More or less what he desired to be.

He said he saw into the guys soul, or something at the time, go figure I forget the exact "quote".

Go figure.

I still think of Dubya in retirement, building a huge Presidental Library for probably about a Billion dollars in tax money, saying to himself, "Damn Vlad, how come I can't change position in government like you have for years on end, and retain power."

These types play with peoples lives for grins and giggles, like Dubya coming into office wanting to be a war President.

:whiste:

 

[88keys]

I suspect that many people are fascists and don't even know it.

It's easy to recruit followers that way, especially considering that most people have no clue as to what it really is.