Are liberals seceding from sanity?

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: novasatori
So polarized

Not surprising given most posts in P&N, but still shocking given the seemingly high intellectual levels of some posters.

I had more to post, but I don't want to offend anyone with my southern ignorance.

I encourage you to post, no matter what your position or opinion is.

The difficulty in participating in a forum of this type is that a significant number of posters only have the ability "shout down" any offer of ideas and concepts which do not fit their narrow view of the world. I, along with what seems a small minority, do read and welcome well thought out commentary and are happy to exchange in rational, and sometimes emotional, discussion.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Mani
You are expecting serious replies to a grade-A troll topic titled "are liberals seceding from sanity?"

By the way, there is a side that is babbling about death panels and foreign-born manchurian candidates while kungfu gripping their assault rifles, and it's not the liberals.

Shh, don't confuse the roboposting forum trolls with the truth, it hurts too much to acknowledge let alone deal with. This one in particular is as transparent as they come.

/RIP

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Mani
You are expecting serious replies to a grade-A troll topic titled "are liberals seceding from sanity?"

By the way, there is a side that is babbling about death panels and foreign-born manchurian candidates while kungfu gripping their assault rifles, and it's not the liberals.

Shh, don't confuse the roboposting forum trolls with the truth, it hurts too much to acknowledge let alone deal with. This one in particular is as transparent as they come.

/RIP

Are Liberals Seceding From Sanity?
The left is crazy to insult white Southerners as a group

Let's see, a noted liberal author and advocate for liberalism posting an in-depth, introspective and self-critical commentary on liberal bigotry on the liberal Salon.com and using these exact words for his chosen title is trolling?

Well, I guess you really do have the insight to claim that Michael Lind is a troll.

Here is his biographical profile. I am sure your resume runs as deep. :laugh:

Michael Lind
Senior Research Fellow and Policy Director, Economic Growth Program, New America Foundation

Areas of Expertise:
Demographics, Economic Growth, Fiscal Policy, Foreign Policy, Immigration, Iraq, Middle East, Political History, Political Reform, Public Infrastructure, Retirement Security

Related Programs:
The Bernard L. Schwartz Fellows Program, American Infrastructure Initiative, Economic Growth Program

Michael Lind is a Senior Research Fellow and Policy Director of New America's Economic Growth Program. He is the author, with Ted Halstead, of The Radical Center: The Future of American Politics (Doubleday, 2001). He is also the author of Made in Texas: George W. Bush and the Southern Takeover of American Politics (New America Books/Basic, 2003) and What Lincoln Believed (Doubleday, 2005). Mr. Lind has been an editor or staff writer for The New Yorker, Harper?s Magazine, and The New Republic. From 1991 to 1994, he was executive editor of The National Interest. He has also been a guest lecturer at Harvard Law School. Mr. Lind has written for The Atlantic Monthly, Prospect (U.K.), The New York Times Magazine, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, The Financial Times, and other leading publications, and has appeared on C-SPAN, National Public Radio, CNN?s Crossfire, and PBS?s The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer.

Mr. Lind?s first three books of political journalism and history, The Next American Nation: The New Nationalism and the Fourth American Revolution (Free Press, 1995), Up From Conservatism: Why the Right Is Wrong for America (Free Press, 1996), and Vietnam: The Necessary War (Free Press, 1999) were all selected as New York Times Notable Books. He has also published several volumes of fiction and poetry, including The Alamo (Houghton Mifflin, 1997), which the Los Angeles Times named as one of the Best Books of the year, and a prize-winning children?s book, Bluebonnet Girl (Henry Holt, 2004). His ground-breaking study of American grand strategy, The American Way of Strategy: U.S. Foreign Policy and the American Way of Life was published by Oxford University Press in October 2006.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: PJABBER
I am not surprised to see so many liberals in this forum failing to read or failing to understand the commentary of the author, himself a noted liberal commentator and researcher.

WE (meaning other posters, not just left leaning ones) can read and comprehend just fine. You seem to be the one with a comprehension problem.

You post things with little substance, with an obvious slant, then pretend that these things are of great importance and need debate. Then you appear to be offended when people call you out for being the trolling hack that you are. To put it simply, you are delusional.

If you truly want to join in the debates about subjects here that fine and well, stop posting a thread every ten minutes about something no one gives a crap about.

 

[n yusef]

Before you praise Mr. Lind too much, you may want to know that he quoted incorrect data. Here is my post earlier in this thread:

Originally posted by: n yusef
The premise of this op-ed is, "The Negroes are stupid too, and they vote Democrat." Without doing line-by-line of the whole piece, I'll just note that Lind quoted inaccurate polling data,

Seven in 10 black voters backed a successful ballot measure to overturn the California Supreme Court's May decision allowing same-sex marriage, according to exit polls for the Associated Press.

Election night polls were at 70%, but further data showed the percentage of black affirmative votes on Prop 8 to be 59%. After seeing the 70% bullshit, I stopped reading; find an informed source and you can have an honest debate.

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: PJABBER
I am not surprised to see so many liberals in this forum failing to read or failing to understand the commentary of the author, himself a noted liberal commentator and researcher.

WE (meaning other posters, not just left leaning ones) can read and comprehend just fine. You seem to be the one with a comprehension problem.

You post things with little substance, with an obvious slant, then pretend that these things are of great importance and need debate. Then you appear to be offended when people call you out for being the trolling hack that you are. To put it simply, you are delusional.

If you truly want to join in the debates about subjects here that fine and well, stop posting a thread every ten minutes about something no one gives a crap about.

If you are a liberal, you should be reading the author's piece not once, but twice, as it offers great insight and a succinct identification of innate intolerance, amply demonstrated in the many posts above.

If you are something other than a liberal you might just read it once, but it will identify a significant series of weaknesses and inadequacies in the opposition's psychology and political posturing.

If you can't understand what the author is saying, or you just choose to ignore the message, well, there are other posts will help you keep it to a much simpler level. You can just Move On to those. :laugh:

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: PJABBER
I am not surprised to see so many liberals in this forum failing to read or failing to understand the commentary of the author, himself a noted liberal commentator and researcher.

WE (meaning other posters, not just left leaning ones) can read and comprehend just fine. You seem to be the one with a comprehension problem.

You post things with little substance, with an obvious slant, then pretend that these things are of great importance and need debate. Then you appear to be offended when people call you out for being the trolling hack that you are. To put it simply, you are delusional.

If you truly want to join in the debates about subjects here that fine and well, stop posting a thread every ten minutes about something no one gives a crap about.

If you are a liberal, you should be reading the author's piece not once, but twice, as it offers great insight and a succinct identification of innate intolerance, amply demonstrated in the many posts above.

If you are something other than a liberal you might just read it once, but it will identify a significant series of weaknesses and inadequacies in the opposition's psychology and political posturing.

If you can't understand what the author is saying, or you just choose to ignore the message, well, there are other posts will help you keep it to a much simpler level. You can just Move On to those. :laugh:

I read the entire piece, I gave my comments on it much earlier on.
You can pretend to have a high and mighty intellect all you want PJABBER.
You are fooling no one.
Plus insulting people and calling them stupid in so many words isn't a way to make friends, not that many want to be friends with a troll anyways.

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: n yusef
Before you praise Mr. Lind too much, you may want to know that he quoted incorrect data. Here is my post earlier in this thread:

Originally posted by: n yusef
The premise of this op-ed is, "The Negroes are stupid too, and they vote Democrat." Without doing line-by-line of the whole piece, I'll just note that Lind quoted inaccurate polling data,

Seven in 10 black voters backed a successful ballot measure to overturn the California Supreme Court's May decision allowing same-sex marriage, according to exit polls for the Associated Press.

Election night polls were at 70%, but further data showed the percentage of black affirmative votes on Prop 8 to be 59%. After seeing the 70% bullshit, I stopped reading; find an informed source and you can have an honest debate.

I appreciate your commentary, but I don't discount the validity of his perspective because he did not use revised/updated data in one of his many backing statistics. If you find substantial errors in the rest of the data he cites in his piece, that would certainly call into question his intent and the validity of his conclusions.

I think you just found a place where his research had him reading and reporting the original report and not the update. I am sure he would appreciate it if you point this out to him directly, he will likely do his best to correct the information.

Other than the broken data point, did you find the article of value?

I really do enjoy most everything Lind writes, which is why I wanted to post the article. But I certainly don't agree with all of what he writes as an advocate for liberalism. After all, I hold myself to be a Classical Liberal and that is quite a different breed altogether.

 

[manowar821]

ITT: People who don't realize that if somebody wants to take your rights and/or freedoms away, that somebody is not "liberal".

 

[Robor]

Stop. Making. Threads.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Both sides are loosing their sanity. They try to defend what their "leaders" do although the leaders are only looking out for themselves and close friends.

It would help if people actually used their minds and stopped backing up their parties plans to the death. Use what god/hindu god gave you.

Aren`t you the same person who is hiding bills that the IRS is sending you because you believe the bills will go away???

In fact here is an excerpt-- Now, this one seems serious, but I am thinking about hiding it so I dont have to worry about it. Can the IRS sue me for that amount or will they just keep sending scary letters to me in which I keep hiding?

Yes--I agree it would help if people would actually use their minds......hint...hint...lol

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

The difficulty in participating in a forum of this type is that a significant number of posters only have the ability "shout down" any offer of ideas and concepts which do not fit their narrow view of the world. I, along with what seems a small minority, do read and welcome well thought out commentary and are happy to exchange in rational, and sometimes emotional, discussion.

You read them? Shit, you posted half the threads on this forum lately. What exactly is your agenda, spamming the forum like that?

Originally posted by: novasatori
So polarized

Not surprising given most posts in P&N, but still shocking given the seemingly high intellectual levels of some posters.

I had more to post, but I don't want to offend anyone with my southern ignorance.

Ah yes... politics, closing intelligent people's minds since time began.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Mani
You are expecting serious replies to a grade-A troll topic titled "are liberals seceding from sanity?"

It was the title of the article, moron. Perhaps you should log your complaint with salon.com

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
The south is a racist cesspool of ignorance and arrogance. I wouldn't have a problem with them seceding if I wasn't 100% sure that would immediately lead to modern jim crow laws.

That's funny, because I was born and raised in a backwoods Northeast Georgia town, and I know plenty of Damn Yankees (the kind that moves here, and won't leave) who are more racist than some people I grew up with. One of them in an Italian from Boston who drops "N" bombs every other word, and another is from Connecticut, and does the same thing. Want to make any more blanket statements?

Anyone who thinks racism is confined to 'the south' is crazy. Yes, there are racists here but there are racists everywhere. They aren't all white either.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't think Liberals are seceding from sanity so much as they are having their day in the sun. For years the US has been undergoing destruction in the hands of the Disaster Bush and the rest of the idiot Republicans. That tremendous disease that was the Republican party needed to be destroyed and it was vital that their sickness be exposed.

But now that work is done. The US has passed out from under a terrible cloud into the sun but we suffer still from massive wounds. But people who have been hurt by the stupidity of others are vindictive. A huge immune response to the disease was mounted and the germs have been reduced but the infection can always reappear. There can be no doubt that the Republican party is deaf dumb blind and stupid and completely impervious to reason. They are partisan scum who won't face the fact that their self hate was to be cured by joining the Republican cause of Good. They cannot see that an admission of wrong wouldn't make them more worthless than they already are. The can't admit that they joined a party of sleaze.

The nature of self hate is that feeling worthless yourself, you join something external that provides you with a substitute contact high and that the loss of that crutch returns you to feeling worthless.

The problem, of course, is that this is no less true for Liberals and now we own the sun and make the rules. Now it's our turn to become the disease. And if we can't hear the screams of the opposition who can see us more clearly and heed their words, we may ourselves become the disaster disease and an immune response against us will have to be mounted.

We are all the same. We are all deaf dumb blind and stupid. The only thing that can save any of us is how open we can be. The has always and will always be only one enemy and he is us. We will all become humble and respectful of the other who is us or we will die putting each other's eyes out.

We are full of rage and hate because we have all been put down and we are all out to get even. You will either see that you are a piece of shit or stay that piece of shit by denial. It is the refusal to see who you are that makes you who you are. Did you know that when the donkey brays he's saying "I'm not a donkey"

 

[nobodyknows]

This thread needs a little "reality check". Here's the best "definition" of politics I've seen:

?Politics: A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.?

? Ambrose Bierce

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: marincounty
I love your thread title:" Are liberals seceding from sanity? "

That's rich, considering conservatives are talking about seceding from the Union

Ummm... I'm pretty sure that play on words was his intent. So umm ya, thank you Capt. Obvious. :roll:

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
This thread needs a little "reality check". Here's the best "definition" of politics I've seen:

?Politics: A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.?

? Ambrose Bierce

And the post above yours just told you why, the rationalization of selfish needs in the name of a higher good.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
This thread needs a little "reality check". Here's the best "definition" of politics I've seen:

?Politics: A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.?

? Ambrose Bierce

And the post above yours just told you why, the rationalization of selfish needs in the name of a higher good.

I think I understand. You explained it very, well I might add. Especially the part about how it's the liberals turn to become the disease. That is especially apparent when looking at what is happening to health care reform.

I meant my remark as a sort of "exclamation point" to what you said.

 

[marincounty]

So I read it again, and found more garbage.

"I grew up in Texas, which gave our nation champions of the New Deal and civil rights like Maury Maverick, Ralph Yarborough, Lyndon Johnson, Henry Gonzalez, Barbara Jordan, Lloyd Doggett and Sarah Weddington, who argued Roe v. Wade. Texas is less progressive than it once was and California is less conservative than it once was, but someone from the land of Nixon and Reagan should think twice about lecturing other parts of the country"

Progressive Texas? "Someone from the land of Nixon and Reagan should think twice about lecturing other parts of the country"? Reagan and Nixon are dead, not to mention they won huge majorities in Texas and other southern states, so don't blame California for that.

Texas gave us GWB-FOAD. As much as I hated Nixon and Reagan, they were great patriots compared to W.

I think the author is just defending his home state because he doesn't like all of the south bashing going on, most of it well deserved.

 

[Lemon law]

I have a slightly different take from Marincounty, and I think ole PJABBER is simply using a age ole tactic. Namely any time someone leaning Liberal or democratic makes a dubious statement, he assumes all liberals and democrats will, to their lock step death, defend the person making that dubious statement. And if PJABBER were right about the initial assumption of a lock step following, he might then be able to say its evidence that ALL liberals and democrats are starting to lose their collective minds, but because PJABBER is wrong about that lock step following, all he is doing is wasting our time.

In terms of a lock step following, PJABBER is barking up the wrong party tree, because its the GOP that is far more the lock step party right now.

And in terms of the dems being an unethical party obsessed with power, I would point out the dems now have the power and the numbers to simply expel every GOP member from congress and no one who is liberal or democratic is even contemplating it, but what did the GOP try just three years ago, they tried to end the traditional right of the Filibuster in the Senate. And thanks to quite a number of ethical GOP senators, members of the so called gang of 14 that included John McCain, that try was DOA.
But if Frisk had had his way, he would have probably tried to get away with it.

 

[CallMeJoe]

A Moderate Republican Senator from a large upper-midwestern state expresses his dismay that the Southern "extremist" wing has apparently seized control of his party;

A Conservative White Southern columnist agrees, and uses the opportunity to chastise those of her fellow southern Republicans she feels have abandoned reason in their opposition to a Democratic President;

A Liberal columnist at a no-longer-prominent Liberal publication uses his blog to make several comments of an entirely unknown and ambiguous nature about white Southerners;

PJABBERS finds a column online at Salon that spins this into a broad-based Liberal assault on White Southerners, and runs with the opportunity to make another of his "non-partisan" attacks on Democrats and "the Left".

Have I accurately summarized the OP?

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
The south is a racist cesspool of ignorance and arrogance. I wouldn't have a problem with them seceding if I wasn't 100% sure that would immediately lead to modern jim crow laws.

Broad-brushing irony of the day?

Funny thing is that the goober doesn't even know that Dems spearheaded those laws.

Please don't equate "liberal" with "democrat" in such cases or act like the didn't all jump ship to the republican party in the 60's and 70's when racism was mostly purged from the democratic party.

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
A Moderate Republican Senator from a large upper-midwestern state expresses his dismay that the Southern "extremist" wing has apparently seized control of his party;

A Conservative White Southern columnist agrees, and uses the opportunity to chastise those of her fellow southern Republicans she feels have abandoned reason in their opposition to a Democratic President;

A Liberal columnist at a no-longer-prominent Liberal publication uses his blog to make several comments of an entirely unknown and ambiguous nature about white Southerners;

PJABBERS finds a column online at Salon that spins this into a broad-based Liberal assault on White Southerners, and runs with the opportunity to make another of his "non-partisan" attacks on Democrats and "the Left".

Have I accurately summarized the OP?

Nice ad hominum attack!! You get right to the point of attacking a prominent Democrat pack member! Might get you an A+ in a HS social studies class culture club but it fails as a critique of substance. Don't blame yourself though, it is just a reflection of a quality gap in the education system, itself in need of serious "reforms," as is pointed out in the article.

It seems that it actually takes an overwhelming effort to read a commentary that explores a difficult and morally challenging topic. Oh the vapors! Thank God we solved bigotry with the election of The One!

Had you actually read the article, and I know at least a couple of people have by their commentary, you would have found much more to discuss than a discussion of another poster's discussion of his reading the title and misconstruing that as well. If you read Dr. Walter E. Williams' separate commentary, about halfway down the page, you might even have a chance to connect a few more dots.

Keep up the good work! One and a pat on the head for effort!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Thank God we solved bigotry with the election of The One!

You guys have a shred of respect for yourselves? Seriously, the post election butthurtness is getting boring. It is embarrassing to watch you guys.

When you lose you learn from your mistakes and adjust accordingly, not go full on farther into what makes you fail. (for example talk radio far right wingnuttery like the statement above)

This stubbornness to learn from mistakes is the definition of insanity.

But then look at the kind of folks who have been the ideological cornerstone of the right since the 80s, not surprising. *facepalm*