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Are liberals as tolerant as they claim to be?

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Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: josphII
wtf? clinton was a moderate democrat??!!
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yeah, he was. oh wait, i'm sorry, you were asleep the last 10 years.
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this just goes to show you how extreme the democrats have become when they consider total leftist wackos as moderates.... quite sad
 
Originally posted by: Millenium
Originally posted by: EngineNr9 No kidding. Not gonna throw my life away for a government that won't even tell me the truth, you'd be hardpressed to find anyone who wouldn't fight given a direct attack. So, that one stereotype is not true at all. Got any others?
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The stereotype is true. I want the name of a war Berkeley has supported in the past 50 years. Just one.
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hmm... how about if you provide the name of a war where the us was attacked on our soil? or threatened? by an admitted enemy? the taliban never admited to attacking the us, let alone al qaeda itself. point is, the us has only fought wars in the past 50 years to defend other states or its own financial interests, not because of a direct threat of destruction in los angeles or new york. other conflicts were un backed, we just lent muscle. it wouldn't just take another hitler to get berkeley to fight a war; it would take all of nazi germany, too.

but if you'd like to discuss containment theory and domino theory and all that other fun stuff... i should warn you, i'm a uc berkeley educated international relations major. which probably renders my whole post as irrelevant 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Maleficus
most are not tolerant at all from my experiences although i do know Yossarian451 to be a liberal and also to be quite tolerant while still respectfully disagreeing
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Thanks mal, but that is becasue of my beliefs, I use liberal as a description rather than an association. To me everybody has their own beliefs and rights, you have to be tolerant of other people and their beliefs. This means everybody has the right to do what they want, as long as it doesn't hurt or infringe on someone elses rights, (within reason), but excluding the right to limit other people's rights. That is why I hate conservative people, becasue I may not personally like something but I will not tell someone they can't do or believe it just because I don't, conservatives generally feel that is their place to tell you what you can and can't believe. Also I do disagree with people but i have to be tolerant of their views, while not necessarily conforming to them.
 
Originally posted by: Vespasian
Liberals consider themselves to be beacons of tolerance, YET they are not very tolerant (and sometimes just flat-out intolerant) of people who don't share their views and opinions.

And by the term "liberals" I'm referring to people who are well to the left, and not to moderate democrats like former President Clinton.
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Sure does seem to be the case most of the time doesn't it.
 
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Originally posted by: josphII
wtf? clinton was a moderate democrat??!!
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LMAO...
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Yes , he was/is considered a Moderate. Republicans like to label all Democrats as Liberals.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by: josphII wtf? clinton was a moderate democrat??!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LMAO...
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Yes , he was/is considered a Moderate. Republicans like to label all Democrats as Liberals.
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I thought all Democrats were Communists?
 
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Most peoples tolerance is directly proportional to the amount that you agree with them.
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That's about it. It seems people here have confused "tolerant" with "agreeable."

Intolerant is not allowing another to speak. Disagreeable is disagreeing with a person.

I'll argue against many liberal and conservative policies all day long. But I would never, ever advocate or attempt to take away their right to speak freely and openly.
 
This is from my own experience at UW Madison. But you must read the whole reply to understand my point.

I had a roomate who was very far to the left. (He'd have to move to the right to become a communist :Q) Well me being a conservative I have my own ideas on foreign and domestic policies and when he found out about that he treated me like sh!t. He even yelled at my mom when she called at 9:30 am because he was still sleeping. The straw that broke the camel's back was when someone wrote in the stairwell of the dorm "kill jews." So of course they had a floor meeting to discuse this. Well I love Walter E. Williams' idea on crime and punishment: "We could adopt a better approach to crime control by showing criminals the same kind of mercy that they show their victims." So i said we should put a video camera up and find the guy who did and deal with him accordingly. Well my roomate said to me after the meeting in our room, 'That's just like you conservative bastards to take punishment to the extreme.' Well after that i got a new roomate, luckly much more TOLERANT.

My point is there are those extreme people on BOTH sides; however, I just see more liberals that are that extreme. Realize I'm VERY conservative but I'm extremely tolerant to liberal ideas. My knowledge tells me that if the government were controlled by just republicans it would got to hell and if liberals controlled the government it would go to hell to. We need both liberal and conservative ideas are not facts but ideas and many people don't understand that.

 
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