Are dream sequences occuring in real time?

[Anubis]

I only dream in black and white, I only dream cause Im alive

 

[Doctor Nyse]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JohnCU
In psych 201 the teacher said 1 minute in a dream is 1 minute in real life so yeah they do occur in real time

That's definitive proof right there.

well she had a PhD in psychology and i remember the book saying the same thing, too. i'm sure there are conflicting theories.

That's called appealing to authority, and is a logical fallacy 😉

the next time i go to the doctor and he tells me i've got a sinus infection i'm gonna tell him he's appealing to authority.

Psychology isn't a real degree, medicine is.😉

:thumbsup:

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: JohnCU
In psych 201 the teacher said 1 minute in a dream is 1 minute in real life so yeah they do occur in real time

Agree.

Because your mind can't process dreams any faster or slower than you could normally think if awake. The difference you notice is the dream just ends up more disjointed generally, and jumps around out of sequence or context a lot, so it might appear time is passing faster or slower in the dream, but it's not.

And I have found my dreams during the day are a lot different than my night time dreaming. During the day, they are more realistic but at night, I get night terrors and wake up screaming a lot, thinking stuff is attacking me when I wake up. I have a theory on why this is, but it's not something I wish to discuss on a public message board. But I think I am one of the few who may have finally realized what dreams really are. And they are not necessarily fantasies of your own personal creation or imagination. But I have said too much already.

"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream."

Edgar Allan Poe

Sure it can. It doesn't have to interpret the signals from the 5 senses, and convert those into meaningful information. Dreams are solely in the mind, and don't rely on the 5 senses. So the mind is able to process faster, as it doesn't have to wait for external senses or decode them.

I disagree with your thoughts on time passage and the fact your senses are disconnected while dreaming. As another poster pointed out, it can be observed by any sleeping animal or even a person that they appear to be moving in their sleep or talking in their sleep as they would if awake. Of course, it is in broken sentences or movements as if disjointed, but they certainly are not talking or moving faster or slower than normal.

I once had a dream that a large rat was crawling on my chest, and woke up to a small flying squirrel sitting on my chest licking himself in a cabin in the woods. It was pretty dark, and startled me so bad when I realized I wasn't dreaming that I started screaming, LOL, and it ran off pretty fast. But the fact I dreamed it before I woke up was pretty clear proof all my senses were active and alert. And how about dreaming you need to piss and then waking up with the urge? Once again, senses are fully active, just in a resting state.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: JohnCU
In psych 201 the teacher said 1 minute in a dream is 1 minute in real life so yeah they do occur in real time

Agree.

Because your mind can't process dreams any faster or slower than you could normally think if awake. The difference you notice is the dream just ends up more disjointed generally, and jumps around out of sequence or context a lot, so it might appear time is passing faster or slower in the dream, but it's not.

And I have found my dreams during the day are a lot different than my night time dreaming. During the day, they are more realistic but at night, I get night terrors and wake up screaming a lot, thinking stuff is attacking me when I wake up. I have a theory on why this is, but it's not something I wish to discuss on a public message board. But I think I am one of the few who may have finally realized what dreams really are. And they are not necessarily fantasies of your own personal creation or imagination. But I have said too much already.

"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream."

Edgar Allan Poe

Sure it can. It doesn't have to interpret the signals from the 5 senses, and convert those into meaningful information. Dreams are solely in the mind, and don't rely on the 5 senses. So the mind is able to process faster, as it doesn't have to wait for external senses or decode them.

I disagree with your thoughts on time passage and the fact your senses are disconnected while dreaming. As another poster pointed out, it can be observed by any sleeping animal or even a person, while they appear to be moving in their sleep or talking in their sleep as they would if awake. Of course, it is in broken sentences or movements, but they certainly are not talking or moving faster or slower than normal. And the fact you can hear someone talking in their sleep shows all the senses and movement are active.

I once had a dream that an animal was crawling on my chest, and woke up to a small flying squirrel sitting on my chest licking himself in a cabin in the woods. It was pretty dark, and startled me so bad when I realized I wasn't dreaming that I started screaming, LOL, and it ran off pretty fast. But the fact I dreamed it before I woke up was pretty clear proof all my senses were active and alert. And how about dreaming you need to piss and then waking up with the urge? Once again, senses are fully active, just in a resting state.

Which means either they are not "on" (which I agree with you they are always "on"), or they are just being mainly "ignored" by the brain with some exceptions (like your squirrel deal or other stimulus that could be life threatening). I would rather say your senses are more on "standby" for something to trigger them to wake you. Nobody knows exactly how the brain works, but I believe that when sleeping the brain is throwing out any information except the critical stuff or a "wake" signal.

If that is what the brain does, then it doesn't "turn off" your senses but instead "ignores" information except if it has a stimulus to wake the body as part of the "fight or flight" type response.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
And I think a lot of you just really don't want to know what I know about dreaming.

I want to know. I'm very intrigued by dreams and dreaming. I've spent days reading about dreams, dreaming conditions, what happens in the brain while dreaming and more, but I'm still not very close to understanding them. Anything non-vague you might be able to give me would help greatly.

PM it to me if you have to, I promise I won't reply and you can even ignore me after you send the PM if it would make you feel safe.

 

[venkman]

only when i dream of Jack Bauer

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: Raduque

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
And I think a lot of you just really don't want to know what I know about dreaming.

I want to know. I'm very intrigued by dreams and dreaming. I've spent days reading about dreams, dreaming conditions, what happens in the brain while dreaming and more, but I'm still not very close to understanding them. Anything non-vague you might be able to give me would help greatly.

PM it to me if you have to, I promise I won't reply and you can even ignore me after you send the PM if it would make you feel safe.

Since this keeps coming up, and I have not responded to anyone about this yet in PM or in public, let me ask you all a question. This might be a bit of a thread derail, but since Helloween is fast approaching, it has some added relevance. Now, mind you, this might or might not have anything to do with a direct answer to your queries about what really is dreaming. But it is a good observation about it, that most of us have undoubtedly had.

What do you think happens when you dream about someone who has died? Who else has noticed that when this happens, the dreams seem to be much more vivid and linger after waking up for a longer period of time? The recent dream of the loss of someone close to you, might even effect your mood for the entire day, or even longer. Why do you think that is?

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Raduque

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
And I think a lot of you just really don't want to know what I know about dreaming.

I want to know. I'm very intrigued by dreams and dreaming. I've spent days reading about dreams, dreaming conditions, what happens in the brain while dreaming and more, but I'm still not very close to understanding them. Anything non-vague you might be able to give me would help greatly.

PM it to me if you have to, I promise I won't reply and you can even ignore me after you send the PM if it would make you feel safe.

Since this keeps coming up, and I have not responded to anyone about this yet in PM or in public, let me ask you all a question. This might be a bit of a thread derail, but since Helloween is fast approaching, it has some added relevance. Now, mind you, this might or might not have anything to do with a direct answer to your queries about what really is dreaming. But it is a good observation about it, that most of us have undoubtedly had.

What do you think happens when you dream about someone who has died? Who else has noticed that when this happens, the dreams seem to be much more vivid and linger after waking up for a longer period of time? The recent dream of the loss of someone close to you, might even effect your mood for the entire day, or even longer. Why do you think that is?

.....because its emotionally traumatic, and thus sticks to your memory? That was an easy one dude, you haven't shattered any perceptions yet.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Raduque

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
And I think a lot of you just really don't want to know what I know about dreaming.

I want to know. I'm very intrigued by dreams and dreaming. I've spent days reading about dreams, dreaming conditions, what happens in the brain while dreaming and more, but I'm still not very close to understanding them. Anything non-vague you might be able to give me would help greatly.

PM it to me if you have to, I promise I won't reply and you can even ignore me after you send the PM if it would make you feel safe.

Since this keeps coming up, and I have not responded to anyone about this yet in PM or in public, let me ask you all a question. This might be a bit of a thread derail, but since Helloween is fast approaching, it has some added relevance. Now, mind you, this might or might not have anything to do with a direct answer to your queries about what really is dreaming. But it is a good observation about it, that most of us have undoubtedly had.

What do you think happens when you dream about someone who has died? Who else has noticed that when this happens, the dreams seem to be much more vivid and linger after waking up for a longer period of time? The recent dream of the loss of someone close to you, might even effect your mood for the entire day, or even longer. Why do you think that is?

.....because its emotionally traumatic, and thus sticks to your memory? That was an easy one dude, you haven't shattered any perceptions yet.

Yes, that's true, and an obvious observation about the emotional impact. So that's it then? For example, if you dream of a dead pet from childhood that you haven't thought about for years, suddenly that emotional scar is just reopened while dreaming? What might have stimulated you to dream about it in the first place, when consciously, you haven't thought about it in years?

 

[Raduque]

I'm curious to see where you're going with this, Slick. I don't have anything to contribute right now, my brain isn't working right due to a busy/hard shift at work last night. Maybe something interesting will be posted when I wake up later.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Seriously, I have said too much about dreams already. But this is also a subject I have read many books about, too, in case you were wondering. Mostly because of my all too common night terrors and the failure of a good clinical explanation for these manifestations that fits my particular experiences and situations when they occur.

My reluctance to describe my theories about dreaming is similar to the same sticky dilemma about the powers that be not wanting to reveal UFO information as being factual because they are afraid people will not be able to accept the reality of the situation and go nuts and riot or something. Or what if humanity were to suddenly learn by some undeniable proof that all religion is actually a fantasy closely resembling a delusional mental condition. This would be similar to my hesitation to reveal my theories about dreaming.

I hope you understand why I used those examples. They are only for reference sake to try to explain why I have a lack of desire to express my opinions about dreaming and dreams. They are not to derail this thread off topic. Since these examples are hot button issues with many people.

After all, look at how much of our lives we spend dreaming. Even the great thinkers like Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung were baffled by it. I just think this a Pandora's box, so to speak, and a lot of people may be very disturbed by my explanations. I have gotten people very upset and had a lot of negative feedback before trying to explain this in a basic topical way to close friends and relatives, so I don't think I'm underestimating the impact it might have on some of you.

But I think a lot of you might suspect what I am hinting at here. And you might be right, or not. And I think a lot of you just really don't want to know what I know about dreaming. I also think a lot of great writers like Poe and Lovecraft were a lot closer to what dreams really are than some of the great psychiatric thinkers ever were. And by not telling you what I think, I am doing you all a favor, trust me. Your welcome.

"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream."

Edgar Allan Poe

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Weren't you the one arguing against an appeal to authority, calling it a logical fallacy? Now you come in here, claiming to have groundbreaking knowledge about dreams, information on the same plane of magnitude as aliens or religion, and you ask us to "trust you" because you know what you're talking about and have read many books on the subject. Get over yourself.

 

[NaOH]

I wouuld have to agree taht dreams seem to move at normal speeds with things cut out. For example, i cut out a lot of stuff.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Deeko

.....because its emotionally traumatic, and thus sticks to your memory? That was an easy one dude, you haven't shattered any perceptions yet.

Yes, that's true, and an obvious observation about the emotional impact. So that's it then? For example, if you dream of a dead pet from childhood that you haven't thought about for years, suddenly that emotional scar is just reopened while dreaming? What might have stimulated you to dream about it in the first place, when consciously, you haven't thought about it in years?

egh....I don't know, and I'm not going to play 20 questions with you. Are you going to tell us, or not?

 

[RedRooster]

Have you ever transcended both time and space?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Nope, dreams occur much more quickly.

yep.

when you can control your dreams, this starts to become more obvious.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JohnCU
In psych 201 the teacher said 1 minute in a dream is 1 minute in real life so yeah they do occur in real time

That's definitive proof right there.

Indeed. This is a valuable source of information. Slap that bitch up on wikipedia.

okay well he asked and i posted what i had heard previously about dreaming and since i heard it in a class i assumed that there was some reasonable data to back it up.

well, it's a weak connection. of course 1 minute while you're dreaming is 1 minute of sleep/dream-time. I don't think there is any concept for time in a dream state. It simply doesn't exist.

The "dream-world" is not bound by gravitational pull and planetary rotation.

When I hear a Real World phone ringing while dreaming, it spreads out in the dream, as a near-constant ring, and never really stops.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JohnCU
In psych 201 the teacher said 1 minute in a dream is 1 minute in real life so yeah they do occur in real time

That's definitive proof right there.

well she had a PhD in psychology and i remember the book saying the same thing, too. i'm sure there are conflicting theories.

That's called appealing to authority, and is a logical fallacy 😉

the next time i go to the doctor and he tells me i've got a sinus infection i'm gonna tell him he's appealing to authority.

good policy 😀

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Arcadio
I used to sleep with the radio on, and sometimes dreams that seemed to last 90 minutes would feature one single song in the background for the duration of the dream.

^this, as related to thing I mentioned with the phone ringing.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: RedRooster
Have you ever transcended both time and space?

Yes, and on occasions reality as well.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Pacemaker

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: BrownTown
People really need to learn when a logical fallacy applies and when it doesn't 🙁.

Care to elaborate on that comment?

link

I meant would he care to elaborate on why appealing to authority apparently doesn't apply in the context in which I used it.

JohnCU: This person has PhD in psychology.

You: "Waaa, waaa, appeal to authority! phbbttt!"

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Seriously, I have said too much about dreams already. But this is also a subject I have read many books about, too, in case you were wondering. Mostly because of my all too common night terrors and the failure of a good clinical explanation for these manifestations that fits my particular experiences and situations when they occur.

My reluctance to describe my theories about dreaming is similar to the same sticky dilemma about the powers that be not wanting to reveal UFO information as being factual because they are afraid people will not be able to accept the reality of the situation and go nuts and riot or something. Or what if humanity were to suddenly learn by some undeniable proof that all religion is actually a fantasy closely resembling a delusional mental condition. This would be similar to my hesitation to reveal my theories about dreaming.

I hope you understand why I used those examples. They are only for reference sake to try to explain why I have a lack of desire to express my opinions about dreaming and dreams. They are not to derail this thread off topic. Since these examples are hot button issues with many people.

After all, look at how much of our lives we spend dreaming. Even the great thinkers like Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung were baffled by it. I just think this a Pandora's box, so to speak, and a lot of people may be very disturbed by my explanations. I have gotten people very upset and had a lot of negative feedback before trying to explain this in a basic topical way to close friends and relatives, so I don't think I'm underestimating the impact it might have on some of you.

But I think a lot of you might suspect what I am hinting at here. And you might be right, or not. And I think a lot of you just really don't want to know what I know about dreaming. I also think a lot of great writers like Poe and Lovecraft were a lot closer to what dreams really are than some of the great psychiatric thinkers ever were. And by not telling you what I think, I am doing you all a favor, trust me. Your welcome.

"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream."

Edgar Allan Poe

[/quote]

emmm..

what you KNOW about dreaming, or what you FEEL that you know? I think a lot of people have different experiences when it comes to dreaming. some dream in color, some do not. some remember vividly, some remember nothing. I think it's tied deep into the subconscious, has direct links to individual personalities and biochemical qualities such as hormone concentrations.

If you KNEW what dreams ARE, it would have to apply to everyone. It sounds as though you posit dreams result from nocturnal abductions and probing/implants? Perhaps that's true in your case, but I'm not so sure it can apply to the gamut. Plenty of people experience Night Tremors, so perhaps your theories apply more towards that type of dreaming than any other. Sounds to me like a classic case of subjective imprinting: all the reading you have done more or less imprints your own perspective and situation into the issue, adding significant bias to your interpretation. which leads to self-diagnosis, often faulty.

This happens often when students are training in med-school--physicians and psychologists. You spend so much time reading about a particular disease, the training leaves you sleepless and generally unhealthy, you start interpreting you own symptoms of general fatigue as those of certain diseases that you happen to be studying, etc...

Then again, you could be eating better mushrooms than the rest of us...

....hmmmm.
😉

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: mundane

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
After all, look at how much of our lives we spend dreaming. Even the great thinkers like Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung were baffled by it. I just think this a Pandora's box, so to speak, and a lot of people may be very disturbed by my explanations. I have gotten people very upset and had a lot of negative feedback before trying to explain this in a basic topical way to close friends and relatives, so I don't think I'm underestimating the impact it might have on some of you.

Slick, it takes more than a conspiracy theory to make ATOT'ers upset. I could understand you not wanting to share for fear of being made fun of, but don't do it on the basis that someone here might lose their mind, we're all retarded already anyways.

It's titillating, please don't stop now.

^ he said "tit."
😱

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Doctor Nyse

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JohnCU
In psych 201 the teacher said 1 minute in a dream is 1 minute in real life so yeah they do occur in real time

That's definitive proof right there.

well she had a PhD in psychology and i remember the book saying the same thing, too. i'm sure there are conflicting theories.

That's called appealing to authority, and is a logical fallacy 😉

the next time i go to the doctor and he tells me i've got a sinus infection i'm gonna tell him he's appealing to authority.

Psychology isn't a real degree, medicine is.😉

:thumbsup:

Psychologist: M.D.
Physician: M.D.

....😕

....I also put much more merit in the physician tract, but they are the same fucking degree, you know? All psychologists go to the same Med School as physicians, all doctors in training go through the same psych rounds, it's all part of training.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: Raduque

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
And I think a lot of you just really don't want to know what I know about dreaming.

I want to know. I'm very intrigued by dreams and dreaming. I've spent days reading about dreams, dreaming conditions, what happens in the brain while dreaming and more, but I'm still not very close to understanding them. Anything non-vague you might be able to give me would help greatly.

PM it to me if you have to, I promise I won't reply and you can even ignore me after you send the PM if it would make you feel safe.

Since this keeps coming up, and I have not responded to anyone about this yet in PM or in public, let me ask you all a question. This might be a bit of a thread derail, but since Helloween is fast approaching, it has some added relevance. Now, mind you, this might or might not have anything to do with a direct answer to your queries about what really is dreaming. But it is a good observation about it, that most of us have undoubtedly had.

What do you think happens when you dream about someone who has died? Who else has noticed that when this happens, the dreams seem to be much more vivid and linger after waking up for a longer period of time? The recent dream of the loss of someone close to you, might even effect your mood for the entire day, or even longer. Why do you think that is?

.....because its emotionally traumatic, and thus sticks to your memory? That was an easy one dude, you haven't shattered any perceptions yet.

Yes, that's true, and an obvious observation about the emotional impact. So that's it then? For example, if you dream of a dead pet from childhood that you haven't thought about for years, suddenly that emotional scar is just reopened while dreaming? What might have stimulated you to dream about it in the first place, when consciously, you haven't thought about it in years?

I've had those. My grandfather died ~4 years ago, and all of the cousins were having extremely vivid dreams about him. I've had 2 since then (maybe another, though with symbols a bit more vague). Two of the cousins apparently had the identical dream. .....

I tend to think that the emotion of such dreams, especially regarding a particular person, has to do with the type of imprinting that symbol (in this case, individual person) occurred on the developing brain. We were a tight group of cousins. Growing up, a lot of that extended family life revolved around this grandfather.

I have had other grandparents and even younger family members and friends die before and after, but never such an emotional connection to a death.

I am also coming to the awareness that a lot of my earliest childhood memories may indeed have been dreams. my parents and older brother, who would theoretically have a more focused memory system during the years I was a toddler, should be able to relate some of those memories of the world that I have. They don't. Perhaps it has something to do with that lack of a full linguistic library/ understanding of the world?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Seriously, I have said too much about dreams already. But this is also a subject I have read many books about, too, in case you were wondering. Mostly because of my all too common night terrors and the failure of a good clinical explanation for these manifestations that fits my particular experiences and situations when they occur.

My reluctance to describe my theories about dreaming is similar to the same sticky dilemma about the powers that be not wanting to reveal UFO information as being factual because they are afraid people will not be able to accept the reality of the situation and go nuts and riot or something. Or what if humanity were to suddenly learn by some undeniable proof that all religion is actually a fantasy closely resembling a delusional mental condition. This would be similar to my hesitation to reveal my theories about dreaming.

I hope you understand why I used those examples. They are only for reference sake to try to explain why I have a lack of desire to express my opinions about dreaming and dreams. They are not to derail this thread off topic. Since these examples are hot button issues with many people.

After all, look at how much of our lives we spend dreaming. Even the great thinkers like Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung were baffled by it. I just think this a Pandora's box, so to speak, and a lot of people may be very disturbed by my explanations. I have gotten people very upset and had a lot of negative feedback before trying to explain this in a basic topical way to close friends and relatives, so I don't think I'm underestimating the impact it might have on some of you.

But I think a lot of you might suspect what I am hinting at here. And you might be right, or not. And I think a lot of you just really don't want to know what I know about dreaming. I also think a lot of great writers like Poe and Lovecraft were a lot closer to what dreams really are than some of the great psychiatric thinkers ever were. And by not telling you what I think, I am doing you all a favor, trust me. Your welcome.

"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream."
Edgar Allan Poe

Weren't you the one arguing against an appeal to authority, calling it a logical fallacy? Now you come in here, claiming to have groundbreaking knowledge about dreams, information on the same plane of magnitude as aliens or religion, and you ask us to "trust you" because you know what you're talking about and have read many books on the subject. Get over yourself.

[/quote]

No. different poster.

Same avatar.