Are dream sequences occuring in real time?

[Arcadio]

I used to sleep with the radio on, and sometimes dreams that seemed to last 90 minutes would feature one single song in the background for the duration of the dream.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JohnCU
In psych 201 the teacher said 1 minute in a dream is 1 minute in real life so yeah they do occur in real time

That's definitive proof right there.

well she had a PhD in psychology and i remember the book saying the same thing, too. i'm sure there are conflicting theories.

That's called appealing to authority, and is a logical fallacy

the next time i go to the doctor and he tells me i've got a sinus infection i'm gonna tell him he's appealing to authority.

The doctor would likely be able to give numerous reasons why they believe you have the infection, such as past cases, symptoms, research studies, etc.

If on the other hand, the doctor said: "You have a sinus infection. I am a doctor, and am therefore correct", then yes, that would be appealing to authority.

 

[BrownTown]

People really need to learn when a logical fallacy applies and when it doesn't .

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
People really need to learn when a logical fallacy applies and when it doesn't .

Care to elaborate on that comment?

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: BrownTown
People really need to learn when a logical fallacy applies and when it doesn't .

Care to elaborate on that comment?

link

 

[Dirigible]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Nope, dreams occur much more quickly.

Yeah think of how long your average dream actually lasts... Like what... 15 minutes... seems like they can last a life time sometimes.

I think it's just merely how time is perceived. More things happen in your dreams than the time would normally permit, but to you, they feel like they are happening in the same amount of time as they would when awake. Remember, time is only a real event to your mind when you are awake experiencing it. Dreaming completes removes the concept of time. Hell, look to how some drugs completely change the mind's perception of time. (shrooms - time is super long)

Although, I have also had dreams that felt like not much happened due to it only being a short amount of time. Brief conversations with people, feeling like I'm experiencing a very normal event in my home or at a friends house, etc.

So, what you're saying is that time is an illusion?

How about lunchtime?

Lunchtime is doubly so. (Couldn't bear to leave ya hangin' nakedfrog.)

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: JohnCU
In psych 201 the teacher said 1 minute in a dream is 1 minute in real life so yeah they do occur in real time

Agree.

Because your mind can't process dreams any faster or slower than you could normally think if awake. The difference you notice is the dream just ends up more disjointed generally, and jumps around out of sequence or context a lot, so it might appear time is passing faster or slower in the dream, but it's not.

And I have found my dreams during the day are a lot different than my night time dreaming. During the day, they are more realistic but at night, I get night terrors and wake up screaming a lot, thinking stuff is attacking me when I wake up. I have a theory on why this is, but it's not something I wish to discuss on a public message board. But I think I am one of the few who may have finally realized what dreams really are. And they are not necessarily fantasies of your own personal creation or imagination. But I have said too much already.

"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream."

Edgar Allan Poe

please explain your theory.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Pacemaker

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: BrownTown
People really need to learn when a logical fallacy applies and when it doesn't .

Care to elaborate on that comment?

link

I meant would he care to elaborate on why appealing to authority apparently doesn't apply in the context in which I used it.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: JohnCU
In psych 201 the teacher said 1 minute in a dream is 1 minute in real life so yeah they do occur in real time

Agree.

Because your mind can't process dreams any faster or slower than you could normally think if awake. The difference you notice is the dream just ends up more disjointed generally, and jumps around out of sequence or context a lot, so it might appear time is passing faster or slower in the dream, but it's not.

And I have found my dreams during the day are a lot different than my night time dreaming. During the day, they are more realistic but at night, I get night terrors and wake up screaming a lot, thinking stuff is attacking me when I wake up. I have a theory on why this is, but it's not something I wish to discuss on a public message board. But I think I am one of the few who may have finally realized what dreams really are. And they are not necessarily fantasies of your own personal creation or imagination. But I have said too much already.

"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream."

Edgar Allan Poe

I am inclined to make a snide comment somewhere along the lines of pray-tell but, in all honesty, pray-tell....

 

[imported_Imp]

No idea. I do know that I usually get woken up in the middle of good dreams in what feels like 'real-time' relative to what was going on in my head. That made no sense, but why let it go to waste...

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JohnCU
In psych 201 the teacher said 1 minute in a dream is 1 minute in real life so yeah they do occur in real time

That's definitive proof right there.

well she had a PhD in psychology and i remember the book saying the same thing, too. i'm sure there are conflicting theories.

I'm one of those freaks that dreams the instant they fall asleep. I also fall asleep at inopportune times. If I fall alseep at my desk for 15 seconds, I will, briefly, remember a dream that lasted 10 minutes or more.

 

[Bulk Beef]

From Psychology (Fourth Ed.) (Hockenbury and Hockenbury):

Contrary to popular belief, dreams happen in real time, not in split seconds. In fact, dreamers tend to be quite accurate in estimating how long they've been dreaming.

Ref: Dr. Jacob Empson

 

[SlickSnake]

Seriously, I have said too much about dreams already. But this is also a subject I have read many books about, too, in case you were wondering. Mostly because of my all too common night terrors and the failure of a good clinical explanation for these manifestations that fits my particular experiences and situations when they occur.

My reluctance to describe my theories about dreaming is similar to the same sticky dilemma about the powers that be not wanting to reveal UFO information as being factual because they are afraid people will not be able to accept the reality of the situation and go nuts and riot or something. Or what if humanity were to suddenly learn by some undeniable proof that all religion is actually a fantasy closely resembling a delusional mental condition. This would be similar to my hesitation to reveal my theories about dreaming.

I hope you understand why I used those examples. They are only for reference sake to try to explain why I have a lack of desire to express my opinions about dreaming and dreams. They are not to derail this thread off topic. Since these examples are hot button issues with many people.

After all, look at how much of our lives we spend dreaming. Even the great thinkers like Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung were baffled by it. I just think this a Pandora's box, so to speak, and a lot of people may be very disturbed by my explanations. I have gotten people very upset and had a lot of negative feedback before trying to explain this in a basic topical way to close friends and relatives, so I don't think I'm underestimating the impact it might have on some of you.

But I think a lot of you might suspect what I am hinting at here. And you might be right, or not. And I think a lot of you just really don't want to know what I know about dreaming. I also think a lot of great writers like Poe and Lovecraft were a lot closer to what dreams really are than some of the great psychiatric thinkers ever were. And by not telling you what I think, I am doing you all a favor, trust me. Your welcome.

"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream."

Edgar Allan Poe[/quote]

 

[SSSnail]

Please tell SlickSnake, I'm fairly open minded and would like to hear your explanation, this is a discussion board after all. I think I might have an idea where you're going with your hypothesis, but really want to know.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Bulk Beef
From Psychology (Fourth Ed.) (Hockenbury and Hockenbury):

Contrary to popular belief, dreams happen in real time, not in split seconds. In fact, dreamers tend to be quite accurate in estimating how long they've been dreaming.

Ref: Dr. Jacob Empson

That doesn't explain my case very well

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Pacemaker

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: BrownTown
People really need to learn when a logical fallacy applies and when it doesn't .

Care to elaborate on that comment?

link

I meant would he care to elaborate on why appealing to authority apparently doesn't apply in the context in which I used it.

I would guess he feels that someone with a PHD in psychology has the proper credentials to be an authority on dreams and therefore appeal to authority doesn't apply.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Bulk Beef
From Psychology (Fourth Ed.) (Hockenbury and Hockenbury):

Contrary to popular belief, dreams happen in real time, not in split seconds. In fact, dreamers tend to be quite accurate in estimating how long they've been dreaming.

Ref: Dr. Jacob Empson

That doesn't explain my case very well

It was directed at the thread topic. Do your own research.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Bulk Beef

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Bulk Beef
From Psychology (Fourth Ed.) (Hockenbury and Hockenbury):

Contrary to popular belief, dreams happen in real time, not in split seconds. In fact, dreamers tend to be quite accurate in estimating how long they've been dreaming.

Ref: Dr. Jacob Empson

That doesn't explain my case very well

It was directed at the thread topic. Do your own research.

I'm just saying. If I fall asleep for 10 seconds, and wake up terrified that i've been asleep for 10 minutes due to the length of my dream....obviously, my dream did not occur in real time.

 

[jjzelinski]

I just wonder if dreams are similar to what a child experiences or remembers experiencing who has not yet developed a way to "file" memories in a coherent and recollectable manner. There are theories that suggest the reason people have trouble recalling memories from a very young age is not because the memories are not there, but rather they were experienced at time in most of our lives where we lacked something like lingual skills that would set "attributes" to our memories that allow us to "find" them.

Ok, back to how that might relate to dreaming. Perhaps since dreaming is a less "coherent" state of mind and what we experience is more of a set (perhaps not always even a proper sequence) of "impressions" then it is difficult for our brains to assign time-stamps as it would in our waking state.

And by the way Solid Snake, as a total strange with a self proclaimed open mind I'd like you to PM your theories of dreaming to me if it's not too much trouble. At worst I may not agree with your theory, but you certainly don't need to worry about me scorning you.

 

[Leros]

Then what about dreams where you're falling and in real life you fell out of bed. Surely your brain wasn't having that falling dream before your body started falling. That's too big of a coincidence.

 

[Freshgeardude]

sorry to necro this, but what interests me about dreams and time is that, we sleep walk at normal speeds, and I have seen my dog for instance moving her paws in a motion like she was running. wouldn't this make it seem that we do experience dreams at 1:1 but our mind skips things in between making it seem faster

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
After all, look at how much of our lives we spend dreaming. Even the great thinkers like Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung were baffled by it. I just think this a Pandora's box, so to speak, and a lot of people may be very disturbed by my explanations. I have gotten people very upset and had a lot of negative feedback before trying to explain this in a basic topical way to close friends and relatives, so I don't think I'm underestimating the impact it might have on some of you.

Slick, it takes more than a conspiracy theory to make ATOT'ers upset. I could understand you not wanting to share for fear of being made fun of, but don't do it on the basis that someone here might lose their mind, we're all retarded already anyways.

 

[mundane]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
After all, look at how much of our lives we spend dreaming. Even the great thinkers like Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung were baffled by it. I just think this a Pandora's box, so to speak, and a lot of people may be very disturbed by my explanations. I have gotten people very upset and had a lot of negative feedback before trying to explain this in a basic topical way to close friends and relatives, so I don't think I'm underestimating the impact it might have on some of you.

Slick, it takes more than a conspiracy theory to make ATOT'ers upset. I could understand you not wanting to share for fear of being made fun of, but don't do it on the basis that someone here might lose their mind, we're all retarded already anyways.

It's titillating, please don't stop now.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JohnCU
In psych 201 the teacher said 1 minute in a dream is 1 minute in real life so yeah they do occur in real time

That's definitive proof right there.

well she had a PhD in psychology and i remember the book saying the same thing, too. i'm sure there are conflicting theories.

That's called appealing to authority, and is a logical fallacy

the next time i go to the doctor and he tells me i've got a sinus infection i'm gonna tell him he's appealing to authority.

Psychology isn't a real degree, medicine is.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: JohnCU
In psych 201 the teacher said 1 minute in a dream is 1 minute in real life so yeah they do occur in real time

Agree.

Because your mind can't process dreams any faster or slower than you could normally think if awake. The difference you notice is the dream just ends up more disjointed generally, and jumps around out of sequence or context a lot, so it might appear time is passing faster or slower in the dream, but it's not.

And I have found my dreams during the day are a lot different than my night time dreaming. During the day, they are more realistic but at night, I get night terrors and wake up screaming a lot, thinking stuff is attacking me when I wake up. I have a theory on why this is, but it's not something I wish to discuss on a public message board. But I think I am one of the few who may have finally realized what dreams really are. And they are not necessarily fantasies of your own personal creation or imagination. But I have said too much already.

"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream."

Edgar Allan Poe

Sure it can. It doesn't have to interpret the signals from the 5 senses, and convert those into meaningful information. Dreams are solely in the mind, and don't rely on the 5 senses. So the mind is able to process faster, as it doesn't have to wait for external senses or decode them.