Are churches looking for a showdown with the IRS?

[Sheik Yerbouti]

And that ladies and gentlemen is how we lose our rights. People such as yourself justify the governments actions.

Until something affects them directly the general public usually does not care.

The truth is, posters in this thread are justifying restricting protected rights. Which is sad.

How can yall sit there and say "if you want to keep your not-for-profit designation, then you reframe from political speech." What the hell is wrong with yall? How can yall justify the government taking a protected right from a group of people?

The law is wrong and it must be changed.

I doubt anyone here would "reframe" from political speech. Again, if you wish to live in a theocratic rule, Iran or the Vatican awaits your dumb ass.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I reframed a picture once, the old frame had experienced dry rot and was cracked.

 

[Texashiker]

I doubt anyone here would "reframe" from political speech. Again, if you wish to live in a theocratic rule, Iran or the Vatican awaits your dumb ass.

What are you talking about?

If you are support restricting political speech, maybe you should move to iran or china.

 

[smackababy]

What are you talking about?

If you are support restricting political speech, maybe you should move to iran or china.

I support restricting political speech from government sponsored organizations, which churches fall under due to tax exemption. If you want to pay taxes on profits acquired from donations, feel free to endorse and campaign for any candidate you'd like. Otherwise, stfu.

 

[Texashiker]

I support restricting political speech from government sponsored organizations, which churches fall under due to tax exemption.

Would you support prohibiting people on welfare from voting?

 

[fskimospy]

I support restricting political speech from government sponsored organizations, which churches fall under due to tax exemption. If you want to pay taxes on profits acquired from donations, feel free to endorse and campaign for any candidate you'd like. Otherwise, stfu.

He thinks that the government needs to subsidize churches with no strings attached.

The rest of us don't want to give free extra stuff to churches with no strings attached.

There's really nothing more to it. As usual he wants special privileges.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I stand corrected. This is definitely one of the very dumbest threads toothless has ever initiated, and subsequently ran into the ground with his 'logic and reasoning'

 

[Texashiker]

He thinks that the government needs to subsidize churches with no strings attached.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walz_v._Tax_Commission

The rest of us don't want to give free extra stuff to churches with no strings attached.

Free stuff as in what?

There's really nothing more to it. As usual he wants special privileges.

Nope.

I just expect a liberal such as yourself to stand for civil rights. Freedom of political speech is a civil right.

Why do you flip-flop on issues?

 

[Ryland]

Congress overreached its power in restricting political speech.

Can a MOD please change TexasHikers handle to "BrokenRecord"?

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe if enough people report his trolling he will be sanctioned or banned.

 

[Texashiker]

Can a MOD please change TexasHikers handle to "BrokenRecord"?

Why dont you address the issue?

Do you agree with the government restricting political speech?

 

[piasabird]

This brings up another subject. Military members are not allowed to be involved in the political process. So I think if some retired general gets involved in politics, their pension should be revoked.

 

[Ryland]

Again, what about unions.....

What about unions? They are 501c(5) organizations, not 501c(3) so the non-political rules dont apply to them.

 

[Texashiker]

Maybe if enough people report his trolling he will be sanctioned or banned.

Why dont you address the issue?

You cry and complain about undue burdens, abortion rights, gay rights,,, etc, every vile act under the sun.

But when it comes to basic civil rights for conservative groups you are all for restricting rights.

Lets pass a law saying people on welfare can not vote. Sound ok to you? You receive welfare and expect the same rights as everyone else? lulz.

That is what you are saying, right? That because the church is exempt from taxation they have give up their rights.

 

[Ryland]

Why dont you address the issue?

Do you agree with the government restricting political speech?

I agree with restricting the power of clergy who preside over sheep from telling the sheep how to think. Remember clergy are the closest thing to "god" that most of the sheep deal with so they will do as they are told. Restricting that is a good thing.

Edit: I dont see anything keeping clergy from talking politics outside of their official duties (ie on the street while talking with someone as "Joe Smith" and not the cassoc'd shyster).

 

[fskimospy]

Why dont you address the issue?

You cry and complain about undue burdens, abortion rights, gay rights,,, etc, every vile act under the sun.

But when it comes to basic civil rights for conservative groups you are all for restricting rights.

Lets pass a law saying people on welfare can not vote. Sound ok to you?

People have addressed them repeatedly to you. You ignore them because you refuse to accept that you're wrong.

Like I said before, you're either unbelievably stupid, mentally ill, or trolling.

 

[artvscommerce]

Would you support prohibiting people on welfare from voting?

I didn't know welfare forms or social workers were campaigning for specific political candidates.. enlighten me! where is this taking place??


on second thought, don't bother. this thread is getting boring. can we switch the topic to something more interesting, like cheese?

 

[piasabird]

Sounds like the Federal government telling people what they are allowed to say, and how they are suppose to act. You didn't build that! I had to take a class about state employees not being allowed to work on a political campaign or use state resources, i.e. computers or e-mail, databases, etc. not being allowed to be used for a political campaign. Of course I live in Illinois. That would never happen in Chicago, in congress, or at the white house staff.

 

[thraashman]

People have addressed them repeatedly to you. You ignore them because you refuse to accept that you're wrong.

Like I said before, you're either unbelievably stupid, mentally ill, or trolling.

Come come now. He could easily be all three.

 

[Ryland]

Sounds like the Federal government telling people what they are allowed to say, and how they are suppose to act. You didn't build that!

What they are not allowed to say in a specific capacity.

 

[thraashman]

Sounds like the Federal government telling people what they are allowed to say, and how they are suppose to act. You didn't build that!

Well, congrats Texashiker, piasabird has decided to come along to prove you're not alone in this raging idiocy. There's at least one more twit in P&N whose brain is as broken as yours. He even managed to make a reference to one of the most idiotic complaints about our President that conservatives have had in the last 6 years.

 

[Jhhnn]

You do realize "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the constitution, right?

Nor does tax exemption for religious entities, either. Your point is what?

Taxation can not be used as a tool to suppress protected rights.

And, uhh, so what? Other than poll taxes, since when is paying taxes suppression of rights, anyway? There is no right to tax-free income for any person or organization, nor is it a tenet of Christianity, either. Our govt allows tax-free status to religious organizations with the understanding that they will refrain from political activity, a way to reinforce the separation of church & state. It's been that way for over 200 years & is a very conservative & traditional approach to the whole issue.

Or would you prefer Christian Dominionists & Reconstructionists?

 

[Texashiker]

on second thought, don't bother. this thread is getting boring. can we switch the topic to something more interesting, like cheese?

How about beer and cheese?

People have addressed them repeatedly to you. You ignore them because you refuse to accept that you're wrong.

Any law that restricts political speech is wrong.

Explain to me why you support abortion rights, but approve of political speech being restricted?

 

[piasabird]

During Katrina, it was Churches that delivered aid the fastest and with the least economical waste. Churches don't care about political affiliation.

 

[Sonikku]

The Catholic church doesn't have a political agenda and they aren't trying to make any profit, so why should they be taxed?