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Are California students being indoctrinated in Islam?

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Thursday, Jan. 10, 2002

California Pupils Indoctrinated in Islam

Parents in Byron, Calif., are outraged that government schools are forcing their children to learn the tenets of Islam, adopt a Muslim name, wear a robe and even stage their own jihad ("holy war").

Complaints to their taxpayer-supported principal were brushed off, ASSIST News Service reports.


"The public schools in California so stealthily slipped this course into the 7th grade curriculum that even another 7th grade teacher, Elizabeth Christina Lemings, was totally in the dark that this was being taught until her son, Joseph, who is a 7th grader in the same school where she teaches, brought home the handouts," ANS reported.

"We could never teach Christianity like this,? Lemings told ANS. "We can?t even mention the name of Jesus in the public schools, but over there ?,? she pointed to the building next to hers, "they teach Islam as the true religion, and students are taught about Islam and how to pray to Allah.?

California's government schools have adopted the textbook used for the Islamic course, "Across The Centuries," published by Houghton-Mifflin (Boston). Islam is shown in a totally positive manner, whereas everything Christian is depicted negatively, says ANS.

In contrast, "There is not one negative to be found about Islam in this one-sided account, such as the wars, massacres, cruelties against Christians and other non-Muslims that Islam has consistently perpetrated over the centuries.

"Nor is any mention made of the way Muslims treat their own people, cutting off hands, feet and heads for even the slightest violations of the Islamic tenets of faith, or the shocking way they treat their women.

"The ?miraculous? events leading up to the Koran, the ?holy? book of Islam, and other ?revelations? are presented as factual. Any reference of the miraculous regarding Christianity is always set next to a disclaimer stating that; 'It was (is) believed by Christians (or an individual such as Martin Luther) that ?,' implying an absence of credibility about the stated event," ANS reports.

As Lemings put it: "Can you imagine the barrage of lawsuits and problems we would have from the ACLU if Christianity were taught in the public schools, and if we tried to teach about the contributions of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and the Apostle Paul? But when it comes to furthering the Islamic religion in the public schools, there is not one word from the ACLU, People For The American Way or anybody else. This is hypocrisy!?

ANS reported, "Even more disturbing; students are to pretend that they are Muslims, wear Muslim clothing to school, stage their own jihad via a dice game, and pick out a Muslim name (to replace their own) from a list of thirty."

Every pupil questioned by ANS thought the brainwashing course "was fun.? Some described Islam as "a pretty culture.?

Lemings told ANS: "This is not just a history class examining culture. This course is entirely too specific. It is more about indoctrination.?

And government educrats keep wondering why more and more parents want school choice.

 
We learned about Islam quite a bit in high school but I don' tthink we were *indoctrinated* in it...stupid infidel...
 
As a current California student, I have to say: no. I never have been taught anything about Islam at all. That's how the california school system is 🙂
 
Sorry if this is a repost.

Why aren't these children being taught the truth about Islam such as it is anti-Jewish?

Consider these verses from the Quran:

O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. (Surah 5:51)

And remember ye said: "O Moses! we cannot endure one kind of food (always); so beseech thy Lord for us to produce for us of what the earth groweth, -its pot-herbs, and cucumbers, Its garlic, lentils, and onions." He said: "Will ye exchange the better for the worse? Go ye down to any town, and ye shall find what ye want!" They were covered with humiliation and misery; they drew on themselves the wrath of Allah. This because they went on rejecting the Signs of Allah and slaying His Messengers without just cause. This because they rebelled and went on transgressing. (Surah 2:61)

Ignominy shall be their portion wheresoever they are found save (where they grasp) a rope from Allah and a rope from men. They have incurred anger from their Lord, and wretchedness is laid upon them. That is because they used to disbelieve the revelations of Allah, and slew the prophets wrongfully. That is because they were rebellious and used to transgress. (Surah 3:112)

Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly. (Surah 5:82)

 


<< As a current California student, I have to say: no. I never have been taught anything about Islam at all. That's how the california school system is 🙂 >>


Really? We spent quite a bit of time in high school on Islam in Non-Western studies...which part of California was your high school? (Mine was in OC)
 


<< As a current California student, I have to say: no. I never have been taught anything about Islam at all. That's how the california school system is 🙂 >>



My sentiments exactly. 😀
 
Conversely, Muslim schools won't allow Christian literature - or any literature that does not fit the party line.

An Arab plea for reforming Muslim schools
Dean of Qatar University wants to remove 'all seeds of hatred'

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© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com


Are Muslim schools indoctrinating students in hatred?

Abd Al-Hamid Al-Ansari, the dean of Sharia and Law at Qatar University, believes so. The prominent academician wrote a series of articles for the Qatari and Arab press calling for reform that has set off a firestorm of controversy in the Islamic world.

In an interview in the Qatari daily Al-Raya, translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, Al-Ansari counted himself among those who want to remove "all seeds of hatred, repulsion and fanaticism toward the other, toward women, toward those whose religion is different than ours, or toward those belonging to a different school of (Islamic) thought."

Al-Ansari says curricula should play a "tolerant role, as tolerance is a supreme value in Islam." He condemned the teaching that "Muslims have the right to attack others who are non-Muslims. These things exist in several religious law books, but they are wrong. The concept of jihad in Islam must be clarified. ... It expresses human beings' right of choice. The Koran states that anyone who wants can be a believer and anyone who does not want can be an unbeliever. Some Koranic verses clearly emphasize freedom of belief. ..."

"I, too, am opposed to the type of Islam that breeds terrorists," he said. "This [kind of] Islam is a crime against the true Islam and against the Muslims themselves. [I oppose] these Islamic religious schools, which have produced extremist groups that can't deal with modern reality."

He also condemned such teaching in the mosques.

"I am among those who maintain that some of the preachers in the mosques incite hatred towards those of a different religion," he said. "It is they who caused the Afghan-Arab phenomenon; it is they who portrayed the war in Afghanistan as a crusader war between Islam and Christianity. This is a lie that many youth fell for and fell victim to. Questions must be addressed to the inciters, because they are partners to the same crimes. Incitement, radicalization [and] calling for the destruction of the Christian enemies of Islam have become mandatory for some preachers. If Allah had destroyed the Christians, the Muslim preacher would not have a microphone to preach with, or the air conditioner or the car he so enjoys. ..."

Al-Ansari disagrees with those in the Islamic world who equate the U.S. war in Afghanistan with terrorism.

"It is unfair to name the American response [to Sept. 11] 'terrorism,' because by so doing we are confusing the concepts of terrorism and self-defense or response to aggression ? and at a time when we are demanding that the international community not confuse 'terrorism' with 'legitimate resistance,'" he said. "What happened in America is terrorism; the American response is a response to that aggression, and there is a worldwide consensus on this."

Al-Ansari said America tried other means to respond to the terrorist attacks before launching a war. He called for Muslims to combat terrorism with equal fervor.

"... Terrorism must be fought by any and all means," he said. "All Muslims must support the struggle against terror. Terrorism has claimed more victims in many Islamic countries than in the West. Any country or group protecting and defending terrorists must be fought, and the world must be saved from their evil. ... The time has come to call them to account and punish them. We must all support the efforts to repress and bring to an end the damage they do."

He said the Islamic world "must have the courage to admit that what happened in Afghanistan was the liberation of our Muslim brothers ? even if, unfortunately, it was by non-Muslim hands. ..."

Al-Ansari says the popularity of Osama bin Laden in the Islamic world is understandable through history.

"Attraction to a rescuing or liberating hero is historically grounded in the Arab and Islamic mentality ? from Antara through Saladin to Abd Al-Nasser and Saddam Hussein. ..." he said. "Now it's bin Laden. ... It doesn't matter whether the hero is a liar, adventurer, tyrant or terrorist, because the Arab mentality will ascribe to him a sanctity that covers his sins. ..."

Additional reasons for bin Laden's popularity are, he said, "frustration; political, social, and ideological repression; backwardness and inability to change; as well as incitement to hatred of the 'colonialist West' and 'American hegemony.'"

Al-Ansari also cited problems with the Arab media.

"The masses' political behavior is not motivated only by facts," he said. "There are many influencing factors, such as incitement on television. Al-Jazeera TV Channel plays a prominent role by repeatedly broadcasting the ideas of bin Laden and his aides, making them stars. Al-Jazeera's claims that this is a journalistic scoop, and [reflects] professionalism ... is only half the truth, because in the final analysis the media convey a message and bear responsibility. ... There is a difference between giving different opinions an opportunity [to be heard] and leaving the screen open to armed murderers to spread their ideas. ..."



 
Indoctrination? Seems like they're trying to get the kids to experience other cultures so that they don't end up like the kind of folks who make and believe these kinds of exagerrations.
 
If they weren't so ignorant in the first place they wouldn't need to finally learn about other cultures.

Anyway, what's with the mindset that everything is a plot to take over.
 
EnginerNr9, I have no problem teaching about religions to foster awareness provided that it is done in a fair and balanced way.

That doesn't seem to be the case here.

In the state approved textbook "Across the Centuries", Houghton Mifflin Social Studies Book, 7th Grade, 21st Century Edition, statements of Islamic faith are presented as items of fact when they are really statements of belief.

Here are some examples:

"The Quran is the final revelation, just as Muhammed is the final prophet" (p. 62).

"Ramadan is a holy time, because in this month Muhammed received his first message from Allah" (p. 88)

"Arabic lettering had a special significance for Muslims, because it was used to write down God's words as they had been given to Muhammed" (p. 88).

"From Jerusalem, both Muhammed and Gabriel ascended into heaven, where Muhammed spoke to God" (p. 59)

nb. There is no documentary proof of historical credibility that Muhammed was ever in Jerusalem. In fact, Jerusalem is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran, but is mentioned 800 times in the Bible. This statment is clearly an affront to Israelis and is blatantly pro-Palestinian.
 
Good point DB. I don't think they are being forced to do this; you can always opt out if you have a good political or religious reason (such as you aren?t tolerant of other religions!)

Tominator, they aren't saying to practice it, they are just letting people experience it so they don't become bigots of the future. We spent a good time on about 7 religions in World History Class (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hindu, Buddhism, Confucianism, and Taoism)

BTW, I can get equally harsh quotes out of the Bible even though I don't want to bash Christianity and I am not, I feel that there needs to be equal backing from the descending view (Obviously not exact quotes, but they are summarized for size constraints)...

God orders the slaying, without pity, of "utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women"
- Ezekiel 9:5,6

God orders people to slaughter their own relatives because they rejected moses' religion; 3,000 killed.
- Ex 32:27-29

God commands beheading of those who worship other gods
- Numbers 25:3,4

God deliberately deludes people so they will not be saved
- 2 Thess 2:11-12

Jesus taught that he came only to save the Jews- no other races allowed.
- Matt 10:5-8, 15:24

God orders people to slaughter their own relatives because they rejected moses' religion; 3,000 killed.
- Ex 32:27-29
 
well, lets put it this way, i had to study the crusades and christianity in middle school, but i don't think i was being "indoctrinated into christianity". we went so far as to have an actual church... i got to be the bishop, and i had my priests under me and stuff. we didn't role play or even learn about any other religions either. but i have no gripe with my experience, nor do i have a gripe with these students'. maybe it's because i'm atheist, i get the feeling most people who even care about this islam thing are christians who are freaking out because they think their children will go islam or something. paranoid, if you ask me.
 


<< Good point DB. I don't think they are being forced to do this; you can always opt out if you have a good political or religious reason (such as you aren?t tolerant of other religions!)

Tominator, they aren't saying to practice it, they are just letting people experience it so they don't become bigots of the future. We spent a good time on about 7 religions in World History Class (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hindu, Buddhism, Confucianism, and Taoism)

BTW, I can get equally harsh quotes out of the Bible even though I don't want to bash Christianity and I am not, I feel that there needs to be equal backing from the descending view (Obviously not exact quotes, but they are summarized for size constraints)...

God orders the slaying, without pity, of "utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women"
- Ezekiel 9:5,6

God orders people to slaughter their own relatives because they rejected moses' religion; 3,000 killed.
- Ex 32:27-29
God commands beheading of those who worship other gods
- Numbers 25:3,4

God deliberately deludes people so they will not be saved
- 2 Thess 2:11-12

Jesus taught that he came only to save the Jews- no other races allowed.
- Matt 10:5-8, 15:24

God orders people to slaughter their own relatives because they rejected moses' religion; 3,000 killed.
- Ex 32:27-29 >>




Ah BlueApple but only Islam mentions Christians and Jews by name. And only Islam uses the term "infidels" to describe non-believers.

If you are going to teach Islam, teach All of it including its prejudices that are still alive and kicking today.

One teacher on the O'Reilly Factor was fired for quoting passages from the Koran that were anti-semetic.

The fear from the PC group is very very real.
 


<< BTW, I can get equally harsh quotes out of the Bible even though I don't want to bash Christianity and I am not, I feel that there needs to be equal backing from the descending view (Obviously not exact quotes, but they are summarized for size constraints)... >>



BlueApple, thanks for bringing up Christianity. Let's examine for a moment the life and words of Christ and the teaching of the New Testament.

The Beatitudes (Matthew 5:1-11, 38-48)

1 Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2 and he began to teach them saying:
3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

The Greatest Commandment (Matthew 22:34-40)

34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[2] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[3] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Also

38 "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[7] 39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

43 "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[8] and hate your enemy.' 44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


Consider the life of Christ. He was sentanced to death on trumped up charges. He was beaten and forced to drag a heavy wooden cross through the crowded city streets. Then he was crucified on a hill outside the city, which was also used as a dump. While they waited for Jesus to die, the soldiers tossed dice and gambled for his cloak. But Jesus forgave the priests and elders and soldiers who crucified him. While he was on the cross he prayed: "Father, forgive them."

Consider also Paul's admonition in Romans

Romans 12:9-21

9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with God's people who are in need. Practice hospitality. 14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[3] Do not be conceited. 17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"[4] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."[5] 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.


 


<< BlueApple, thanks for bringing up Christianity. Let's examine for a moment the life and words of Christ and the teaching of the New Testament. >>

I had a funny feeling that you were going to do this. I wonder if the guy who originally reported this story had the same agenda that you obviously do.
 


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<< BlueApple, thanks for bringing up Christianity. Let's examine for a moment the life and words of Christ and the teaching of the New Testament. >>

I had a funny feeling that you were going to do this. I wonder if the guy who originally reported this story had the same agenda that you obviously do. >>



no kidding... good to know i'm not the only one tired of the blatent "ooh look at how nice christianity is... you should consider it...." threads.
 


<< no kidding... good to know i'm not the only one tired of the blatent "ooh look at how nice christianity is... you should consider it...." threads. >>


You should consider it just as much as you should consider any religion...

If you're searcing for a religion like I am (searching for truth might be a better phrase), ruling out Christianity just because it's mainstream is kinda silly
 
LOL, look at Riprorin run and hide from those passages that BlueApple posted. Nice diversionary tactic.....not.


Trolls are funny. But trolls with agendas are even funnier.
 
Red Dawn, I brought it up because an insuation was made that Islam and Christianity are equivalent. I don't believe that they are and I showed evidence to prove it.

Why do you have a problem with that?

Don't you think it would it be wise to examine the life and words of Christ and the teaching of the New Testament before you condemn Christianity?

I don't have an agenda other than to make people aware of other points of view. Unfortunately, alternative views are usually squelched in the mainstream press.

John Leo has a good column about this in the latest issue of US News & World Report but that's the subject for another thread.
 


<< no kidding... good to know i'm not the only one tired of the blatent "ooh look at how nice christianity is... you should consider it...." threads. >>

Hey if they want to talk about that more power to them. I just had a hunch that the author of this thread and the idividual who reported this story had used an isolated case and blew it way out of proportion so they could promote their own agenda, which iseems to be witnessing about their Religion.
 


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<< no kidding... good to know i'm not the only one tired of the blatent "ooh look at how nice christianity is... you should consider it...." threads. >>


You should consider it just as much as you should consider any religion...

If you're searcing for a religion like I am (searching for truth might be a better phrase), ruling out Christianity just because it's mainstream is kinda silly >>



no, i'm not ruling out christianity because it's mainstream... i'm not searching for a religion 🙂 i went to sunday school when i was little, i considered it... didn't take.
 


<< no, i'm not ruling out christianity because it's mainstream... i'm not searching for a religion 🙂 i went to sunday school when i was little, i considered it... didn't take. >>



Too bad that's not going to stop him from spouting scripture in every other post as "evidence."
 


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<< no kidding... good to know i'm not the only one tired of the blatent "ooh look at how nice christianity is... you should consider it...." threads. >>

Hey if they want to talk about that more power to them. I just had a hunch that the author of this thread and the idividual who reported this story had used an isolated case and blew it way out of proportion so they could promote their own agenda, which iseems to be witnessing about their Religion. >>



eh, well i'm tried of them. i don't mind if the author cared to post his own content, but i don't care to just see a bunch of quotes from other texts.

btw, since when did christianity become "an alternative point of view" to islam? 😕
 


<< Red Dawn, I brought it up because an insuation was made that Islam and Christianity are equivalent. I don't believe that they are and I showed evidence to prove it.

Why do you have a problem with that? >>

The only problem I have with it is that I believe this whole situation regarding Islam being taught in California's schools was totally exagerated for the purpose of promoting your religion. I wondered why this was news to most of us who live here and now I understand why.




<< Don't you think it would it be wise to examine the life and words of Christ and the teaching of the New Testament before you condemn Christianity? >>

No. I've already been there, done that, bought the Tshirt and asked for my money back.
 
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