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Are California students being indoctrinated in Islam?

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<< Do you know the whole part from which those lines you quote came? Or is it cut & paste? Context is definitely needed. >>



EnginerNr9. here's a link if you want to look at these verses in context: Translations of the Quran >>


Mmm...this guy's actually done his homework 🙂
 
Did you actually get those lines from this site, because I don't seem them. It seems like they were edited and paraphrased to suit a particular agenda. I'm not necessarily accusing you, it's probably the site that you pulled them from.

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YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

009.073
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.
PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.
SHAKIR: O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.

008.059
YUSUFALI: Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them).
PICKTHAL: And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.
SHAKIR: And let not those who disbelieve think that they shall come in first; surely they will not escape.

 


<< Please show me in the New Testament where Jesus advocated violence and hate? >>



Does that make Judaism a violent faith? They don't believe that Jesus is the messiah?
 


<< Did you actually get those lines from this site, because I don't seem them. It seems like they were edited and paraphrased to suit a particular agenda. I'm not necessarily accusing you, it's probably the site that you pulled them from. >>



Some of the verses were taken from the link I sent you and some were taken from secondary sources. There will obviously be some differences based on the translation.

Sura 8:59 that I quoted earlier was actually taken from 8:59-61. Sorry about the mistake. This was taken from a secondary source and I should have checked it out. Here's what I quoted previously "Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away...strike terror into the enemy...rouse the faithful to arms! If they (the non-Mulsims) incline to peace (accept Islam) make peace with them." (Sura 8:59)

Here are the three verses that the quote was taken from:

The Holy Quran
Translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali

8. SPOILS OF WAR
BOOTY

In the name of God,
Most Gracious, Most Merciful

8:59 Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them).
8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
8:61 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).

Hope that this addresses your concerns.



 


<< Does that make Judaism a violent faith? They don't believe that Jesus is the messiah? >>



Do I think that Judaism is a violent faith? No. Do I think that Yaweh dealt harshly with sin in the Old Testament? Yes.
 


<< I just have to say that all religions should stay out of school, no matter what they are. I wouldn't want a muslim child to have to be taught christianity as truth just as I wouldn't want a christain child to have to be taught muslim as truth. >>

What he said!
I think the whole point here is that it's wrong for any religion to be taught in public schools.
 
8:61 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).

Taken in context then it's not the same message.
 
Because aggression is not condoned, only retaliation, righting back.

004.090
YUSUFALI: Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).
PICKTHAL: Except those who seek refuge with a people between whom and you there is a covenant, or (those who) come unto you because their hearts forbid them to make war on you or make war on their own folk. Had Allah willed He could have given them power over you so that assuredly they would have fought you. So, if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace, Allah alloweth you no way against them.
SHAKIR: Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.

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YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

002.190
YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
PICKTHAL: Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
SHAKIR: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

 
Have you considered verse 4:090 in light of verses 4:088 - 4:089?

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YUSUFALI: Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
PICKTHAL: What aileth you that ye are become two parties regarding the hypocrites, when Allah cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they earned? Seek ye to guide him whom Allah hath sent astray? He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him thou (O MUhammad) canst not find a road.
SHAKIR: What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.

004.089
YUSUFALI: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
PICKTHAL: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
SHAKIR: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

 
It looks like it says that one should not associate with disbelievers, and if they should turn hostile, their death is justified. Seems like the Old Testament has said the same thing.
 


<< It looks like it says that one should not associate with disbelievers, and if they should turn hostile, their death is justified. Seems like the Old Testament has said the same thing. >>



Fine. Both books have violent passages. However,


#1 The term "indifels" is used only by Islam and only Islam targets Jews and Christians by name
#2 And most importantly, only Islam is still practicing these violent teachings in their schools and politics every single day.
 
In the Old Testament God uses Israel as an instrument of His justice to purge the land of its sinfulness and other nations like the Assyrians and the Babylonians as His instruments to cleanse the land by destroying the people of Israel for their sinfulness.

Another important point that we need to keep in mind is the fact that the divine command for the destruction of the few cities of Canaan, was for a specific people, a specific time and place and a specific purpose. Nowhere in the later Old Testament period do we see God commanding the nation of Israel to go and attack other pagan nations, either as self-defense or as a way to promote faith in the true God of heaven and earth. However, in the Qur'an, we encounter general commands to kill and destroy the enemies of Islam that are applicable for all times and places and people groups. It is beyond dispute that from the earliest times, right after the death of the prophet, Muslim splinter groups began fighting, killing and assassinating even each other, in the name of God. The history of Islam, down to the present day is filled with the appeals of various Muslims to ever-applicable Qur'anic passages to destroy and kill their enemies.

Christians who use violence in the name of God to destroy their enemies have no justification for their actions from Jesus Christ, his life and teachings as found in the New Testament.

(taken from answering-islam.org)

In case you haven't seen it, here's a thread that you might be interested in.

Stoning verdict for alleged rape victim
 
What is a "heathen"? Isn't it synonymous with "infidel"?

And most importantly, only Islam is still practicing these violent teachings in their schools and politics every single day.

Again I would point to the socio-economic disparity in the region lending to this extreme perversion of the Islamic teaching. Once more, there was a point in time when the Christians in Europe were the barbarians, and the Muslims were the ones living in civility. There is no more inherently wrong with Islam than there is Christianity.

Christians who use violence in the name of God to destroy their enemies have no justification for their actions from Jesus Christ, his life and teachings as found in the New Testament.

We've seen in the past that this has never stopped them. The common denominator when it comes to violence & destruction is people, we know that they will use if not one thing then another as the justification.

 
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