Are Atheists the most intolerent group of all?

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: daniel49
100% plz prove to me hitler and amin were anywhere near to 1%.

One could easily say the argument is just as strong that they were completely Godless men.

Hitler was born and raised Christian and said he believed in it. Then he did things in God's name. How is that not 100% proof that he was a thiest. So what if he isn't a good thiest, he still was a thiest.

I believe is an action verb not a passive noun.

If Hitler Believed the bible, he would have practiced its teachings...plz show me where Jesus said gas all the jews and take over the world.
The word christian literaly means christ like.
In no wild stretch of the imagination was Hitler either christ like or following the teachings of the scriptures.
If anything the bible teachs that God will bless those that bless Isreal and curse those that don't.
I hate to break it to you, but he didn't bless to many jews.
Hitler was a madman.

 

[kage69]

Wow. It is this sort of dribble that makes atheists seem intolerant. That statement is a nice back-handed way of saying that Christians are generally hot-headed, uneducated and unpleasant to be around.

It's a pity you feel that way, what with me not considering all christians to be generally hot-headed, uneducated and unpleasant to be around. By your standards I should loathe the majority of my own family, most being devout Methodists. My observations on the behavior of Southern Baptists however comes from personal experience, none of which is affected by your faulty assumptions or sense of political correctness. Sorry.

Now I am a Christian but I have never, EVER confronted an agnostic or atheist about their beliefs.

That's fantastic to hear! Now, what needs to be done is nice, more 'even-keeled' christians like yourself need to say something to the vocal minority that's giving the rest of you a baaad name. Bitching at those who have had to deal with said ignorant behavior for extended periods of time will not resolve this issue. You with me so far?

I have been there to answer any questions that they may have about my beliefs but have never brought up the issue.

:thumbsup: If only all christians of all denominations operated in such a fashion. To quote Carlin, 'Keep thy religion to thyself.'

OTOH. I have often been talked down to by atheists like the above statement. I have heard things like:

I'm sorry to hear that. Of course you'll have to excuse me while I exert the same skepticism you used when hearing of my personal experience in this matter. I can easily attribute these choice phrases of stupidity to the small percentage of the atheist/agnostic crowd I mentioned earlier in the thread. You don't really want me to present some tasty tidbits from your flavor of crazy, now do you? You can have your innane, oddly generic buzz phrases, and I'll draw upon living in the bible-belt throughout and after college.
But seriously, do let me know if one ever spits on you for not being interested in his version of the atheist holy book (of course they have one, it's a religion too, remember?) If by some chance packs of atheists start trying to physically prevent you from entering the concerts and bars of your choice, alert me ASAP! Should vigilante atheists begin targeted killings of non-approved physicians, please for the love of dog, let me know!!!
I'll even notify Reuters for you.

These are the types of beating-around-the-bush statements that NORMAL Christians get sick of. And for me, most of the coments that I get come from my "Love everyone, hug a tree, don't discriminate against any group" uber-liberal hippie friends.

Then do something about it, go to the source of the bullsh!t and tell the idiots to knock it off! Stand up for NORMAL christians!
Maybe you should listen to them, not just cause they're your friends, but because surprise surprise it kinda falls in line with what good NORMAL christians should be doing anyway. This partially explains the hate inherent in the far right (zendari, passions, others) - they're pissed off that damn leftist hippy-types or more christ-like than they are.
As for your friends, I won't speak for them as I'm not a uber-liberal hippie.

But I guess that is the problem when you are a political fence sitter. Sodcially conservative yet fiscally liberal!

Yes, there's definetly a problem there. I consider myself to be the exact opposite actually, socially liberal but fiscally conservative. And for what it's worth, I don't think that automatically constitutes either of us as being "fence sitters." I try to judge issues on their own merits, and quite often that doesn't result in attaining a 'happy medium.'

Edit: So in response to the OP's question. Yes, I have found atheists to be the most intolerant group.

That's too bad. Might I ask where? What was the range of age amoung said atheists? Sex? In what kind of time period did gather these findings? Call me curious.


Oh and for the record Math, if we're speaking of divine beings in general or the concept of a creator, then consider me an agnostic. If we're talking about a christian god, then I am most definetly an atheist.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: daniel49

In the modern era, the only "religion" that engages in any appreciable amount of slaughter of infidels is Islam, and even the muslims have a LONG way to go before they can match up with the atheists in terms of sheer number of corpses.

I just wanted to say that since the arrests here in Canada, you can't tune into a Canadian channel without seeing Muslim leaders speaking out against the radicals

"We are part of the Canadian society and so we demand that the Canadian society come forward and help us to root out this."

Her group was among several organizations that called on Harper, Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty and Toronto Mayor David Miller to hold a summit by month's end to tackle the problem of marginalized youth in their community who are falling prey to the pull of radical elements.

Her group was joined by the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Muslim Students Association, Canadian Muslim Civil Liberties Association and several other agencies.

Help weed out extremists: Muslims

 

[kage69]

If Hitler Believed the bible, he would have practiced its teachings

:laugh: Ok, who wants dibs on responding to this little gem? :laugh:



Oh man...

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: daniel49
If Hitler Believed the bible, he would have practiced its teachings.

Do you believe Bush is a Christian?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: daniel49

In the modern era, the only "religion" that engages in any appreciable amount of slaughter of infidels is Islam, and even the muslims have a LONG way to go before they can match up with the atheists in terms of sheer number of corpses.

I just wanted to say that since the arrests here in Canada, you can't tune into a Canadian channel without seeing Muslim leaders speaking out against the radicals

"We are part of the Canadian society and so we demand that the Canadian society come forward and help us to root out this."

Her group was among several organizations that called on Harper, Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty and Toronto Mayor David Miller to hold a summit by month's end to tackle the problem of marginalized youth in their community who are falling prey to the pull of radical elements.

Her group was joined by the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Muslim Students Association, Canadian Muslim Civil Liberties Association and several other agencies.

Help weed out extremists: Muslims

That is a welcome sight indeed Earl. And you may remember I posted something very similar 4-5 days ago...applauding the statement the Mosque Imam had made in direct contrast to the PC nonsense that Torontos Police Chief issued.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: daniel49
If Hitler Believed the bible, he would have practiced its teachings.

Do you believe Bush is a Christian?

I have seen some evidence of it and other times have wondered.
Its hard to know completely based upon reading news reports.
I do know his parties platform is more christian friendly then the democrats hence why I support it.

Although not in its entirety.
Howard Deans lame attempt recently to court the Christian vote was laughable at best, and did little more then make a few gays angry.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I stopped reading when you labeled Hitler an atheist. You know nothing. Stop posting and return to school immediately.

 

[Mathlete]

Originally posted by: kage69

That's too bad. Might I ask where? What was the range of age amoung said atheists? Sex? In what kind of time period did gather these findings? Call me curious.

Oh and for the record Math, if we're speaking of divine beings in general or the concept of a creator, then consider me an agnostic. If we're talking about a christian god, then I am most definetly an atheist.

MOst of the comments come from the veggy burito/Birkenstock turned Audi/Expense Account crowd. My friends don't bring it up because they know my feelings and we agree to disagree. It's when we go out I a particilar college town that I feel like I am being attacked. This is almost an exact account of what happened a couple of weeks ago.

(8-12 people, men and women, gather at a blues club. All middle class, most college graduates, drinking wine and microbrews. I am introduced to a friend of a friend.)

Her: So what do you do?

Me: I teach math.

Her: Cool! Where do you work?

Me: A small, catholic high school.

Her: Really!!! Do you have to pray and stuff.

Me(Sensing her superiority complex settling in): Yes, everyday.

Her: Well, you don't actually believe that stuff do you???

Me: Ummmm, Yes.

Her: I thought you were smarter than that.

This is the sort of stuff that gets my goat. I agree with you kage that anything taken to the extreme gets annoying. Hell, even I am annoyed with the people that try to force religion on you and I am a Catholic. It has been my experience though, that Christians that try to force their beliefs come right out and do it in the open where atheists that try to "convert" you do it with sly, subtle comments. Both of them equally annoying but I get more frustrated with the people that beat around the bush and insult my intelligence as well.

 

[kage69]

This is the sort of stuff that gets my goat.

Man I can't blame you! That girl must have been some piece of work, I hope you said fuq that noise and ignored her dumb @ss. Some people have axes to grind, while others can't be bothered to undertake critical thought on their own and just adopt whatever sounds good from their clique. That girl didn't sound too sly or subtle to me, in fact that was definetly poor beermanship: you check your politics and religion at the bar door!

Libation tends to loosen the tongue though, was she at all tipsy? Wine or beer?

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Boy, it didn't take long for the "No true Scotsman" fallacy to rear it's ugly head.

Yep, it started in the first post.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I stopped reading when you labeled Hitler an atheist. You know nothing. Stop posting and return to school immediately.

Its nor more ridiculous then to call him a theist.
Theopholis in the Greek means friend of God would you term adolf as Gods friend?
Hitler did not live a life in fear and reverence to God, that sounds like the very definition of a Godless man to me.

But even if I were to throw Hitler off the atheist list, just to please you, the contributions of the others more then make up for it.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: daniel49
Its nor more ridiculous then to call him a theist.
Theopholis in the Greek means friend of God would you term adolf as Gods friend?
Hitler did not live a life in fear and reverence to God, that sounds like the very definition of a Godless man to me.

If you are going to argue that way, then lets split the question into 3 categories:

a) Those who believe in God and follow a religion.
b) Those who believe in God and ignore him.
c) Those who do not believe in God.

I tend to believe those who are in group B are by far the most intolerent. Hitler was in group B. Those in A and C generally are good and tolerent people.

I think this grouping should satisfy most people's complaints in this thread.

 

[Rainsford]

You know, I think it might be worth pointing out that it's a lot easier to see the obnoxious jackasses on the other side than it is to see them on your side. Apparently it never occurs to you guys that annoying people of all stripes generally direct that annoyance at people who DISAGREE with them. If you don't think there are annoying Christians, it's probably because you are a Christian yourself. Ditto for Atheists, and Republicans, and Democrats, and on and on. No doubt the author of this article (and the OP) have a lot more interaction with annoying atheists than annoying Christians, because they ARE the annoying Christians, and annoying people of all beliefs tend to stay away from annoying their own.

 

[Tom]

"Atheists such as Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Mao, Ho Chi Minh,"

How do we know if any of these people were athiests ?

For that matter, how do we know what anyone believes, other than ourselves ? Do we even know what our own beliefs are ?

What is belief anyway ? ( I don't mean the dictionary definition)


What do embryos believe ? I bet most are Pagan, at best. I mean all they hear is muffles drumming sounds and eat and drink all day.

If they are athiests, would abortion be ok ?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I stopped reading when you labeled Hitler an atheist. You know nothing. Stop posting and return to school immediately.

Its nor more ridiculous then to call him a theist.
Theopholis in the Greek means friend of God would you term adolf as Gods friend?
Hitler did not live a life in fear and reverence to God, that sounds like the very definition of a Godless man to me.

But even if I were to throw Hitler off the atheist list, just to please you, the contributions of the others more then make up for it.

The atheism of many of the people on your list was hardly a belief, it was a matter of not wanting to share power with anyone else, religious groups included. But I really appreciate the comparison you made between Stalin and everybody who calls themselves an atheist...I'll have to remember that next time, Osama.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Its nor more ridiculous then to call him a theist.
Theopholis in the Greek means friend of God would you term adolf as Gods friend?
Hitler did not live a life in fear and reverence to God, that sounds like the very definition of a Godless man to me.

But even if I were to throw Hitler off the atheist list, just to please you, the contributions of the others more then make up for it.

Absurd. This is the thinnest, most disingenuous hedge I've seen in some time. You were caught with your pants down, substantially discrediting your theory. Deal with it.

 

[Tom]

"Hitler did not live a life in fear and reverence to God"


And jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson do ? The Pope doesn't seem all that scared either. And what about all the gold stuff in the church, wouldn't God say that money should be feeding poor people ?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: daniel49
Its nor more ridiculous then to call him a theist.
Theopholis in the Greek means friend of God would you term adolf as Gods friend?
Hitler did not live a life in fear and reverence to God, that sounds like the very definition of a Godless man to me.

If you are going to argue that way, then lets split the question into 3 categories:

a) Those who believe in God and follow a religion.
b) Those who believe in God and ignore him.
c) Those who do not believe in God.

I tend to believe those who are in group B are by far the most intolerent. Hitler was in group B. Those in A and C generally are good and tolerent people.

I think this grouping should satisfy most people's complaints in this thread.

But isn't it just a lot more convienant to throw everyone into one basket. (I'm kidding of course)

The Bible takes about "B"
saying " You believe there is one God, you do well the devils also believe and tremble."
because the devils believe, will we now argue that they are christian?
To believe is to change ones life, to ignore God is unbelief.

If little johnny's grandmother takes him to church does that make johnny a believer?
Or does Johnny reach an age where he either accepts what Grandma believes and embraces it as his own, or rejects it and goes his own way?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: daniel49
Its nor more ridiculous then to call him a theist.
Theopholis in the Greek means friend of God would you term adolf as Gods friend?
Hitler did not live a life in fear and reverence to God, that sounds like the very definition of a Godless man to me.

If you are going to argue that way, then lets split the question into 3 categories:

a) Those who believe in God and follow a religion.
b) Those who believe in God and ignore him.
c) Those who do not believe in God.

I tend to believe those who are in group B are by far the most intolerent. Hitler was in group B. Those in A and C generally are good and tolerent people.

I think this grouping should satisfy most people's complaints in this thread.

But isn't it just a lot more convienant to throw everyone into one basket. (I'm kidding of course)

...

You mean like, say, lumping all atheists together with Hitler and Stalin?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: daniel49

Its nor more ridiculous then to call him a theist.
Theopholis in the Greek means friend of God would you term adolf as Gods friend?
Hitler did not live a life in fear and reverence to God, that sounds like the very definition of a Godless man to me.

But even if I were to throw Hitler off the atheist list, just to please you, the contributions of the others more then make up for it.

Absurd. This is the thinnest, most disingenuous hedge I've seen in some time. You were caught with your pants down, substantially discrediting your theory. Deal with it.

nonsense, P and N is the home of disingenuous hedges.
deal with it.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: daniel49

Its nor more ridiculous then to call him a theist.
Theopholis in the Greek means friend of God would you term adolf as Gods friend?
Hitler did not live a life in fear and reverence to God, that sounds like the very definition of a Godless man to me.

But even if I were to throw Hitler off the atheist list, just to please you, the contributions of the others more then make up for it.

Absurd. This is the thinnest, most disingenuous hedge I've seen in some time. You were caught with your pants down, substantially discrediting your theory. Deal with it.

nonsense, P and N is the home of disingenuous hedges.
deal with it.

Nonsense? No, I think you're agreeing that DonVito characterizes your "argument" perfectly...you're just whining that "everyone else does it". That doesn't make you any smarter, just less stupid on average.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: daniel49
Its nor more ridiculous then to call him a theist.
Theopholis in the Greek means friend of God would you term adolf as Gods friend?
Hitler did not live a life in fear and reverence to God, that sounds like the very definition of a Godless man to me.

If you are going to argue that way, then lets split the question into 3 categories:

a) Those who believe in God and follow a religion.
b) Those who believe in God and ignore him.
c) Those who do not believe in God.

I tend to believe those who are in group B are by far the most intolerent. Hitler was in group B. Those in A and C generally are good and tolerent people.

I think this grouping should satisfy most people's complaints in this thread.

But isn't it just a lot more convienant to throw everyone into one basket. (I'm kidding of course)

...

You mean like, say, lumping all atheists together with Hitler and Stalin?

Seemed to be the logic of another thread I remember lumping all Christians as terrorists,
thought I would see how it played the other direction.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: daniel49
Its nor more ridiculous then to call him a theist.
Theopholis in the Greek means friend of God would you term adolf as Gods friend?
Hitler did not live a life in fear and reverence to God, that sounds like the very definition of a Godless man to me.

Hitler was the friend of his God just like you are the friend of yours. Unless of course you are suggesting that anyone who doesn't believe in your God isn't a theist (lol). Hitler believed in A god therefore he is not an atheist. I don't see how it could be any more obvious.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: daniel49
Its nor more ridiculous then to call him a theist.
Theopholis in the Greek means friend of God would you term adolf as Gods friend?
Hitler did not live a life in fear and reverence to God, that sounds like the very definition of a Godless man to me.

If you are going to argue that way, then lets split the question into 3 categories:

a) Those who believe in God and follow a religion.
b) Those who believe in God and ignore him.
c) Those who do not believe in God.

I tend to believe those who are in group B are by far the most intolerent. Hitler was in group B. Those in A and C generally are good and tolerent people.

I think this grouping should satisfy most people's complaints in this thread.

But isn't it just a lot more convienant to throw everyone into one basket. (I'm kidding of course)

...

You mean like, say, lumping all atheists together with Hitler and Stalin?

Seemed to be the logic of another thread I remember lumping all Christians as terrorists,
thought I would see how it played the other direction.

You have already seen how it goes "in the other direction"...the Christian thread was a parody of sorts from the numerous posts (including several made by you) lumping all Muslims as terrorists. So really, you started it.

But I think it's stupid no matter what group your doing it to...I just find it amusing how blind people are to this when THEY are the ones doing it.