Steeplerot
Lifer
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Since you are obviously speaking of my thread about the christian who was trying to bomb a abortion clinic, the thread was about extremism and how terrorists/terrorism can rise from christianity also, once again you have shown how weak your own faith is by getting your panties in a wad instead of using your head.
You feeling guilty about bombing abortion clinics? If not then quit with the weak-assed christianity persecution complex, you guys already run the show, have hoardes of cash and propaganda everywhere from american followers, give it up, noone buys it that a very very small minority of folks (atheists) that have 0% power in this nation and practiclly no cultural impact in one of the most already puritanical nations in the western world are out to steal your chocolate jesus candy.
What people do want is to be left alone, worship your skyfairy but leave others out of it, the world has suffered under artificially fixed morals already , it is not a superiority complex but more of a fed upness with being bombarded with xtrians BS their whole lives.
Its always a riot when Christians try to pretend like they're persecuted. I mean, its not like they make up a vast majority of the population or something.
Yeah...I love the persecution complex...especially when you remind them that a rather extreme religious person is the actual President of the country. Man I'd like some of what they are smoking.
Well, it's not really a persecution complex if you are being persecuted. Granted, being an atheist in this country isn't exactly like being a Jew in Germany during WWII...but then, nobody is claiming it is.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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I just dont think your brain can comprehend the fact that being in the minority is not a bad thing. Why would I want to be like everyone else and follow their play?
Some people would rather write their own book or march to their own tune then follow.
I know that is hard for a fundamentalist to grasp.
And Rainsford, I do not think atheists are persecuted, even though american culture is very intolerant of people who think outside the box, some people learn earlier then others that what others think of you really matters none at all.
A lot of people when they get old and retire become weird ecclectic types in funny hats and bright clashing clothes and joke about everything, some learn earlier then others, you dont owe anyone anything besides being yourself, a shame america does not foster this from a younger age, imo it is those folks who make a difference on everyday life and sometimes even history. (and no you dont have to be an atheist to be an individual before I get flamed)
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
But isn't it just a lot more convienant to throw everyone into one basket.(I'm kidding of course)
...
You mean like, say, lumping all atheists together with Hitler and Stalin?
Seemed to be the logic of another thread I remember lumping all Christians as terrorists,
thought I would see how it played the other direction.
You have already seen how it goes "in the other direction"...the Christian thread was a parody of sorts from the numerous posts (including several made by you) lumping all Muslims as terrorists. So really, you started it.
But I think it's stupid no matter what group your doing it to...I just find it amusing how blind people are to this when THEY are the ones doing it.
Since you are still confused let me capsulate my thoughts for you on muslims.
Muslim Jihadists are and should be a serious concern to all.
All Jihadists are Muslim, but not all muslims are Jihadists.
My only concern with the "moderate" muslim community is they seem more willing to keep quite on the jihadists then take a stand.
The Canadian Muslim community so far is bucking that trend and I applauded the Imam in this forum earlier this week for his statements.
So plz stop putting words into my mouth rainsford.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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Their really is no difference in a jihadist and someone who is willing to fly a fighter for a bombing run into a area known to have AA. Would you die for your country? A country is really nothing less then a idea and a border drawn on a piece of land, a religion kinda.
Difference is one country has money, one does not. Either way it is people will to make the ultimate sacrafice for what he sees as just in the firm belief that he will better his familys life or country, or religion or whatever.
Self preservation takes a back seat when you are dirt poor, kinda like would empty your bank account for a cause? Some people are willing to take it to the next step and their life is all they have to give.
Jihad is nothing new or islamic, if you are willing to give your life for a cause you are a jihadist yourself in a sense.
Do you really want me to debate with him on whether Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi is equivilant to the men dropping bombs on him?
If you feel thats a worthy topic go for it. I think its a slap in the face of men and women who died to give him the freedom to say that.
Steeplerot
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*yawn* save your strawmans, the soldiers volunteer and are there for their own reasons, quit with the mindless jingoism.
feralkid
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You probably should...and also consider:
Stalin BECAME an atheist later. (and religion was tolerated much more than anti-communists would have you believe...Many Christian churches were built under his regime)
Idi Amin was Muslim, though admittedly lukewarm about it.
Ho Chi Minh was a pretty poor choice as well.
Actually the whole premise of this thread is weak and kind of worthless.
:thumbsdown:
"Their really is no difference in a jihadist and someone who is willing to fly a fighter for a bombing run ...."
most people would say equivilant and no difference are the same.
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
But isn't it just a lot more convienant to throw everyone into one basket.
...
You mean like, say, lumping all atheists together with Hitler and Stalin?
Seemed to be the logic of another thread I remember lumping all Christians as terrorists,
thought I would see how it played the other direction.
You have already seen how it goes "in the other direction"...the Christian thread was a parody of sorts from the numerous posts (including several made by you) lumping all Muslims as terrorists. So really, you started it.
But I think it's stupid no matter what group your doing it to...I just find it amusing how blind people are to this when THEY are the ones doing it.
Since you are still confused let me capsulate my thoughts for you on muslims.
Muslim Jihadists are and should be a serious concern to all.
All Jihadists are Muslim, but not all muslims are Jihadists.
My only concern with the "moderate" muslim community is they seem more willing to keep quite on the jihadists then take a stand.
The Canadian Muslim community so far is bucking that trend and I applauded the Imam in this forum earlier this week for his statements.
So plz stop putting words into my mouth rainsford.
I appologize, apparently your tolerance was of a form so subtle that I did not detect it before
Although I'd argue that not all "jihadists" are Muslim...perhaps most of the violent ones are, but the Islamic faith itself says that there are many kinds of jihad, both internal and external to self. I'd argue that the folks fighting gay marriage (for religious reasons) are jihadists just as much as anybody else.
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
But isn't it just a lot more convienant to throw everyone into one basket.
...
You mean like, say, lumping all atheists together with Hitler and Stalin?
Seemed to be the logic of another thread I remember lumping all Christians as terrorists,
thought I would see how it played the other direction.
You have already seen how it goes "in the other direction"...the Christian thread was a parody of sorts from the numerous posts (including several made by you) lumping all Muslims as terrorists. So really, you started it.
But I think it's stupid no matter what group your doing it to...I just find it amusing how blind people are to this when THEY are the ones doing it.
Since you are still confused let me capsulate my thoughts for you on muslims.
Muslim Jihadists are and should be a serious concern to all.
All Jihadists are Muslim, but not all muslims are Jihadists.
My only concern with the "moderate" muslim community is they seem more willing to keep quite on the jihadists then take a stand.
The Canadian Muslim community so far is bucking that trend and I applauded the Imam in this forum earlier this week for his statements.
So plz stop putting words into my mouth rainsford.
I appologize, apparently your tolerance was of a form so subtle that I did not detect it before
Although I'd argue that not all "jihadists" are Muslim...perhaps most of the violent ones are, but the Islamic faith itself says that there are many kinds of jihad, both internal and external to self. I'd argue that the folks fighting gay marriage (for religious reasons) are jihadists just as much as anybody else.
I don't think anyone has problems with thier internal jihads, its the bombs and sawn off heads that kind of irritate people.
No one is dying in the fight against gay mairrage.
Nor would the gay mairrage ammendment had it passed, prevented civil unions. It only sought to preserve what the word mairrage has always meant. However thats a topic for another thread.
Not really, it just further proves your absolute ignorance and egocentrism.
Idi Amin was a Muslim, though most agree he was not particularly reverent. But it was lifelong, his father having converted from Catholicism. He had close ties to the PLO as well.
Although Minh was a marxist by political philosophy, he was raised confucian and heavily influenced by buddhism. He maintained a cadre of Catholic advisors and promised a freely religous Vietnam once united. He worked a number of deals with the Vatican in secret regarding protection of catholics and, as far as I know, never once commited an anti-religious atrocity. Furthermore, if you had any knowledge of history you would realize that regardless of his faults he was probably one of the greatest freedom fighters of all time, and is in NO WAY related to the others you list. If ANYONE involved in the Vietnam debacle is to be labelled a monster you need to begin with those in France and the US.
I'm not even bothering to bring up the millions upon millions killed for and by religion, because you have proven two things already: 1. you're too egocentric to accept anything but your narrow views; 2. you're too stupid to comprehend what we'd teach you anyway.
People already shot down half your argument by meticulously pointing out that half those poeple were religious (of course you won't admit that since it runs contrary to your argument, but luckily your faulty view can't change facts), so let me take a stab at the rest of it in two different ways.
1. You have to consider why people are athiest - they like to think for themselves, they like to question authority and are not content when questions are answered with "because I said so". When some of those dictators were going after religious poeple, they were doing it so they can set up their own religion. People like Stalin and Mao tried to make themselves demigods and in order for them to succeed, they needed to do away with the opposition and that included everyone from liberal dissidents to conservative priests.
So knowing the above - that ahtiests reject dogma and faith and embrace free thought are the mindless herd that bows down to King Jong Ill? No, the masses were simply forced to switch from worshipping the guy in the sky, to the guy in the kremlin / forbidden palace / whatever.
2. Even if you ignore all of the above by some weird mental controtions (and I have no doubt you will), you have to realize that none of those poeple did anything in the name of atheism itself - they did it either for their own power and their ideology. Saying "atheists killed 100m" is no different from saying "black haired poeple killed 100m". Just because hitler, mao and pol pot had black hair, doesn't mean they killed in the name of black hair. They killed to seize power and futher their ideology, not atheism, black hair, or any other such irrelevant trait they all might have shared.
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
But isn't it just a lot more convienant to throw everyone into one basket.
...
You mean like, say, lumping all atheists together with Hitler and Stalin?
Seemed to be the logic of another thread I remember lumping all Christians as terrorists,
thought I would see how it played the other direction.
You have already seen how it goes "in the other direction"...the Christian thread was a parody of sorts from the numerous posts (including several made by you) lumping all Muslims as terrorists. So really, you started it.
But I think it's stupid no matter what group your doing it to...I just find it amusing how blind people are to this when THEY are the ones doing it.
Since you are still confused let me capsulate my thoughts for you on muslims.
Muslim Jihadists are and should be a serious concern to all.
All Jihadists are Muslim, but not all muslims are Jihadists.
My only concern with the "moderate" muslim community is they seem more willing to keep quite on the jihadists then take a stand.
The Canadian Muslim community so far is bucking that trend and I applauded the Imam in this forum earlier this week for his statements.
So plz stop putting words into my mouth rainsford.
I appologize, apparently your tolerance was of a form so subtle that I did not detect it before
Although I'd argue that not all "jihadists" are Muslim...perhaps most of the violent ones are, but the Islamic faith itself says that there are many kinds of jihad, both internal and external to self. I'd argue that the folks fighting gay marriage (for religious reasons) are jihadists just as much as anybody else.
I don't think anyone has problems with thier internal jihads, its the bombs and sawn off heads that kind of irritate people.
No one is dying in the fight against gay mairrage.
Nor would the gay mairrage ammendment had it passed, prevented civil unions. It only sought to preserve what the word mairrage has always meant. However thats a topic for another thread.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just pointout out how you're misusing the word "jihadists". What you really meant to say is that most violent extremists seem to be Muslims, at least in your view.
Also, and this is kind of off topic, your phrasing about Muslims and jihad reminded me of a similar conservative quote..."Not all conservatives are assholes, but most assholes seem to be conservative". I find it rather amusing, but tell me that doesn't annoy you just a little bit. After all, while it is in no way suggesting that being a conservative makes you an asshole, that is the unspoken message you get reading between the lines...
potato... potahto
If by some chance there is a Muslim country out there that would really want to claim an idi amin as an adherent to thier faith I would be suprised.
He was about as much an adherent to the muslim faith as hitler was to christianity.
you really should try to read the whole thread, many of these points were already covered.
Its about the power...well duh.....they were Godless soulless men who fed on oppression and brutalty.
Men who felt there was no greater being in life then themselves, men who worshipped themselves, men who had no hope or faith in anything but themselves.
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: daniel49
But isn't it just a lot more convienant to throw everyone into one basket.
...
You mean like, say, lumping all atheists together with Hitler and Stalin?
Seemed to be the logic of another thread I remember lumping all Christians as terrorists,
thought I would see how it played the other direction.
You have already seen how it goes "in the other direction"...the Christian thread was a parody of sorts from the numerous posts (including several made by you) lumping all Muslims as terrorists. So really, you started it.
But I think it's stupid no matter what group your doing it to...I just find it amusing how blind people are to this when THEY are the ones doing it.
Since you are still confused let me capsulate my thoughts for you on muslims.
Muslim Jihadists are and should be a serious concern to all.
All Jihadists are Muslim, but not all muslims are Jihadists.
My only concern with the "moderate" muslim community is they seem more willing to keep quite on the jihadists then take a stand.
The Canadian Muslim community so far is bucking that trend and I applauded the Imam in this forum earlier this week for his statements.
So plz stop putting words into my mouth rainsford.
I appologize, apparently your tolerance was of a form so subtle that I did not detect it before
Although I'd argue that not all "jihadists" are Muslim...perhaps most of the violent ones are, but the Islamic faith itself says that there are many kinds of jihad, both internal and external to self. I'd argue that the folks fighting gay marriage (for religious reasons) are jihadists just as much as anybody else.
I don't think anyone has problems with thier internal jihads, its the bombs and sawn off heads that kind of irritate people.
No one is dying in the fight against gay mairrage.
Nor would the gay mairrage ammendment had it passed, prevented civil unions. It only sought to preserve what the word mairrage has always meant. However thats a topic for another thread.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just pointout out how you're misusing the word "jihadists". What you really meant to say is that most violent extremists seem to be Muslims, at least in your view.
Also, and this is kind of off topic, your phrasing about Muslims and jihad reminded me of a similar conservative quote..."Not all conservatives are assholes, but most assholes seem to be conservative". I find it rather amusing, but tell me that doesn't annoy you just a little bit. After all, while it is in no way suggesting that being a conservative makes you an asshole, that is the unspoken message you get reading between the lines...
there you go again
Originally posted by: daniel49
there you go again
Fair enough
But on the other hand, do you disagree?
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