Are any Celeron 1037U Motherboards actually available?

[jacktesterson]

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[VirtualLarry]

I have a suspicion that Biostar might have overestimated the market and produced way too many 847 boards... to the point where they couldn't sell them fast enough before the next generation came out. With a socketed motherboard, the shelf life is quite a bit longer. But when the CPU is soldered on, they become dated and harder to sell much more quickly. :\

Such is the eventual fate of all mobo makers, once Intel fully moves to BGA CPUs for the mainstream market. It might hurt the mobo makers enough that they might pull out of the non-enthusiast market altogether, further weakening the PC marketshare.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

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Hubba. How do you like it?

 

[Raduque]

Me too, but a better deal (IMO) is going on right now at Staples. Basically the "same" notebook for $25 more, but with a Core i3 with HD 4000 graphics, and USB 3.0.

Looks like that deal is still going on, maybe I will return this laptop and go get that one.

 

[jacktesterson]

Hubba. How do you like it?

Works great!

With the 7750 it sips power and does everything I need.

To be honest, I don't see much difference between it and my work PC for Typical Daily use. (Internet, Email, Social Media, Music, YouTube, Video Playback, Downloading, etc). With the SSD, it feels every bit as fast as my FX-8320 system I just parted out too for usage above

The only thing I've truly noticed so far (other than gaming) is unraring files is quite a bit longer.

Not bad though, I paid $200 for the Mobo/CPU/Ram/Video Card and it will play MadVR on highest settings @ 1080p fine, and with the 7750, It allows me to still be able to play almost any game fine with reasonable settings @ 1366x768

 

[nForce2]

Price drop on this Gigabyte Brix 1037U unit (from $170 to $150)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856164005

That $150 sale was short-lived!

I was watching this one through Black Friday and Cyber Monday to see if the price would drop down again, but it didn't go on sale. Newegg had a freebie USB flash drive for a while before/during the sales, but that's it. It's been back at the full price of $170 for a while now. :\

 

[nForce2]

Second, the DYD ITX-i5HX

http://www.todyd.com/?product_58.html

This motherboard has re-surfaced on Aliexpress for $90.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...eleron-1037U-dual-core/237909_1523553955.html

The specs don't say anything about USB 3, but two of the USB connectors have been changed to blue...
Great quality control on the connector alignment on the first photo. :biggrin:

 

[nForce2]

Looking at the release schedules for ULV Celeron from Intel Ark--->http://ark.intel.com/products/family/43521/Intel-Celeron-Processor/mobile

Dual core Sandy Bridge ULV Celeron:

1. Celeron 847 Q2 2011
2. Celeron 857 Q3 2011
3. Celeron 867 Q1 2012
4. Celeron 877 Q2 2012
5. Celeron 887 Q3 2012

Ivy Bridge ULV Celeron:

1. 1007U Q1 2013
2. 1037U Q1 2013
3. 1017U Q3 2013

Haswell ULV Celeron:

1. 2955U Q3 2013
2. 2980U Q3 2013

Dual Core Sandy Bridge showed a progressive increase in clock speed from Q2 2011 all the way to Q3 2012.

Ivy Bridge ULV Celeron, on the other hand, launched with both a fast (1037U) and slow (1007U) SKU.....a faster slow SKU (1017U) followed 2 quarters later.

Based on that history, I wouldn't be surprised if we see some mild speed bumps for both Ivy Bridge ULV and Haswell ULV Celerons sometime in the future.

Another data point, not in the Celeron line, but the 1.7 GHz ULT i3-4010U (Haswell with 15W TDP) was launched in Q3 2013...
http://ark.intel.com/products/codename/42174

...and I'm seeing that both the i3-4010U NUC and the i3-4010U BRIX are available on Newegg (Not sure when they were first posted). So it looks like some of the ultra-low-power Haswell units were fast-tracked!



Intel BOXD34010WYK1, $285

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856102053

GIGABYTE GB-BXi3-4010, $299

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856164006

 

[AkumaX]

i hope this thread never dies (or migrates to haswell lol)

$169 1037U Brix
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856164005

$169 Intel NUC w/ i3-3217u + thunderbolt
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Next-Com.../dp/B0093LINT2

 

[nForce2]

i hope this thread never dies (or migrates to haswell lol)

Haha. It's really surprising to me just how many major players there are who have announced or shown 1037U systems, but have been so painfully slow to bring them to market - especially for the holiday season. It's too big of an investment to not sell them, so I predict we will see quite a bit of overlap between the Ivy Bridge 10x7U and the Haswell lines. Haswell has also blurred the line between the "standard" processors and the low-power processors (Celerons, etc). Should make things interesting? :thumbsup::thumbsdown::hmm:

 

[nForce2]

Another new one, the Jetway TI70MG-1037.
http://diy.pconline.com.cn/391/3912942.html
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=36232532722

This would be the second Flex-ATX 1037U motherboard (first was the "C07M-PK"), and it has two desktop-style PCI-Express slots (one x16, one x1).

 

[nForce2]

Another new one, the Jetway TI70MG-1037.

Better pictures from: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=14300103054

 

[cbn]

The lack of USB 3.0 is due to it not being supported natively by the NM70 chipset. The HM70 chipset does support it as shown by the Asus C8HM70-I.

Another weakness of the NM70 chipset is the PCIE slots only have half the lanes. The x16 slot will only have 8 lanes. It's not such an important issue if you are using it for a discrete graphics card, but if you are using an x4 or x2 networking or controller card, you should keep that in mind and plan accordingly.

Also, there is a cheaper version of the Giada N70E available on E-ITX.com for $140, using the celeron 1007u. I can post a quick review with pics when I get it if anyone wants.

http://www.e-itx.com/n70e-dr.html

So the PCI-E x1 lane on a NM70 chipset board such as the one in post #415 or #366 would only be PCI-E x .5

So what happens if a usb 3.0 PCI-E x1 expansion card like this one is used? Would the performance be affected?

 

[cbn]

I found out PCI-E 2.0 x1 four usb 3.0 port cards are available, so here is another option to consider:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...131207203544:s

 

[cbn]

gigabyte GA-C1037UN is available on ebay at $103.99

Its now on Newegg for $89.99 plus $6.98 shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...131208195513:s

 

[SinceCCF]

Its now on Newegg for $89.99 plus $6.98 shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...131208195513:s

Just pulled the trigger today, $89.99 plus tax is not too bad, planning to use it as pfsense router, too many bittorrent/emule running simultaneously and my netgear wndr4300 can barely handle it

 

[Namisecond]

So the PCI-E x1 lane on a NM70 chipset board such as the one in post #415 or #366 would only be PCI-E x .5

So what happens if a usb 3.0 PCI-E x1 expansion card like this one is used? Would the performance be affected?

From what I have seen, you get a minimum of 1 PCIE 2.0 lane (dunno if it's at full bidirectional bandwidth though)

Oh and I was wrong, NM70 chipset gives you up to a max of 4 lanes, the HM70 gives you 8.

 

[Namisecond]

Ok, got the Giadatech N70E from e-itx.

http://www.e-itx.com/n70e-dr.html $139

It appears to be a different revision as the USB ports look different from some pictures.

The Good News: the one I got has the the celeron 1037u (instead of the 1007u they list)

The Bad News: Serious lack of documentation, and some of it might not be correct. Instead of a motherboard booklet, I got a 3-fold piece of paper with some line graphics and pin out specs.

The front panel header is a nightmare to deal with. They say what each pin is for, but they don't say which pin groups with which device. IE: HDD LED, PWR SW, PWR LED, and there are a LOT of pins. There is some silk screening on the board itself but I'm getting older and I can't make out everything. I suspect the silk screening is incorrect as well, as my HDD activity light is on full and the pwr led only turns on for about a second and never comes back on upon boot.

Conclusion

I'm basically using this board for a light weight file/media server with a possible upgrade to a ZFS based FreeNAS box in the future, I basically bought it for the sata ports, processor, chipset and built in USB3.

This board is a total mishmash of wierd. The single memory channel will affect graphics performance, not to mention memory expandability and it's mated to an HM77 controller which brings with it USB 3.0, but is way overkill for a celeron or pentium. It uses up a lot of board real-estate on msata and 6 sata ports, but wouln't put in a 2nd memory slot. And to really confuse me, it had 2 relatively high quality Intel 82574L gigabit PHYs on board. It has a PCIEx16 slot, but only links it up with 4 PCIE lanes. (According to the documentation)

This board has a severe identity crisis. Only thing I can think this board would be ideally suited for would be to build a high - end NAS box, like the Synology 5 or 8-drive models.

If you want to spend $140 to experiment or it has something that you really need (the dual intel nics are good for a pfsense box) this may be something to look into, but there are more economical choices out there.

 

[Namisecond]

Just pulled the trigger today, $89.99 plus tax is not too bad, planning to use it as pfsense router, too many bittorrent/emule running simultaneously and my netgear wndr4300 can barely handle it

Welcome to the world of DIY networking equipment! It can be a fascinating and frustrating place at the same time.

Ideal size for the storage space is around 16-32GB with x86 (Unles you're doing enterprise or gamer convention level of routing with over a dozen software packages, sniffers, and real-time reporting) adjust accordingly for x64.

 

[SinceCCF]

Welcome to the world of DIY networking equipment! It can be a fascinating and frustrating place at the same time.

Ideal size for the storage space is around 16-32GB with x86 (Unles you're doing enterprise or gamer convention level of routing with over a dozen software packages, sniffers, and real-time reporting) adjust accordingly for x64.

Thanks, this will be my first build of pfsense. Will ssd be a significant help to improve the performance of pfsense, was thinking of putting a 2 yr old 64gb ssd in.

 

[nForce2]

The JetWay NL70-I1037 is now available on Newegg for $140:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813153263

 

[cbn]

I'm basically using this board for a light weight file/media server with a possible upgrade to a ZFS based FreeNAS box in the future, I basically bought it for the sata ports, processor, chipset and built in USB3.

I've been toying around with the idea of using FreeNAS myself. (I'm still a very beginnings of the learning stage though.)

However, according to this info, it sounds like ZFS really needs ECC:

http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Hardware_Recommendations

WARNING: To ensure consistency for ZFS' checksumming and parity calculations, ECC RAM is required with ZFS. Using non-ECC RAM can cause unrecoverable damage to a zpool resulting in a loss of all data in the pool.

Some more info:

http://forums.freenas.org/threads/ecc-vs-non-ecc-ram-and-zfs.15449/

If you aren't detail oriented and don't want to understand what is going on deep level in ZFS, then just go with ECC RAM. For those of you that want to understand just how destructive non-ECC RAM can be, keep reading.

 

[cbn]

JetWay JNF9KC-1047 on Newegg for $225 with free shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813153261

Thin Mini-ITX design with a 1047UE processor.

1. Interestingly, this processor (unlike the 1037U) does support ECC memory--->http://ark.intel.com/products/74345/Intel-Celeron-Processor-1047UE-2M-Cache-1_40-GHz , although it looks like this board does not have that feature.

2. It includes two I/O shields. (click on the newegg link and look at the last picture in the gallery) One for thin mini itx enclosure and another taller I/O shield (with additional cut outs) to accomodate regular mini itx enclosures.

 

[cbn]

Ok, got the Giadatech N70E from e-itx.

http://www.e-itx.com/n70e-dr.html $139

It appears to be a different revision as the USB ports look different from some pictures.

The Good News: the one I got has the the celeron 1037u (instead of the 1007u they list)

The Bad News: Serious lack of documentation, and some of it might not be correct. Instead of a motherboard booklet, I got a 3-fold piece of paper with some line graphics and pin out specs.

The front panel header is a nightmare to deal with. They say what each pin is for, but they don't say which pin groups with which device. IE: HDD LED, PWR SW, PWR LED, and there are a LOT of pins. There is some silk screening on the board itself but I'm getting older and I can't make out everything. I suspect the silk screening is incorrect as well, as my HDD activity light is on full and the pwr led only turns on for about a second and never comes back on upon boot.

Conclusion

I'm basically using this board for a light weight file/media server with a possible upgrade to a ZFS based FreeNAS box in the future, I basically bought it for the sata ports, processor, chipset and built in USB3.

This board is a total mishmash of wierd. The single memory channel will affect graphics performance, not to mention memory expandability and it's mated to an HM77 controller which brings with it USB 3.0, but is way overkill for a celeron or pentium. It uses up a lot of board real-estate on msata and 6 sata ports, but wouln't put in a 2nd memory slot.And to really confuse me, it had 2 relatively high quality Intel 82574L gigabit PHYs on board. It has a PCIEx16 slot, but only links it up with 4 PCIE lanes. (According to the documentation)

This board has a severe identity crisis. Only thing I can think this board would be ideally suited for would be to build a high - end NAS box, like the Synology 5 or 8-drive models.

If you want to spend $140 to experiment or it has something that you really need (the dual intel nics are good for a pfsense box) this may be something to look into, but there are more economical choices out there.

With respect to the extra SATA ports at the expense of the missing RAM slot, some of the Open Source NAS software I have been looking at such as Open Media Vault doesn't require so much RAM---> http://wiki.openmediavault.org/index.php?title=Installation#Minimum_Requirements

Minimum Requirements

i486 or amd64 platform
1 GiB RAM
2 GiB HDD/DOM/CF/USB Thumb Drive used as OpenMediaVault system drive.

NOTE: The entire disk is used as system disk. The disk can not be used to store user data.

1 HDD for data storage

Regarding the Dual Intel NICs, those must be for link aggregation. This is supported by Open Media Vault--> http://www.openmediavault.org/features.html

P.S. The Synolgy DS1812+ (8 Bay NAS) only comes with 1GB stock (upgradeable to 3 GB)---> http://www.anandtech.com/show/7071/synology-ds1812-8bay-smb-soho-nas-review (So apparently not all NAS need so much RAM)

 

[SinceCCF]

just noticed that amazon offers ecs NM70-I2 1037u board at $66.99 which is the lowest and no tax is collected, ordered one for next build, I'll refuse the newegg delivery of gigabyte 1037u.
Right now amazon has last one in stock, hurry if you want to grab it