Arafat is really dead this time

[trmiv]

Question for those that think he was a "great leader" and that Palestinian terrorists are "freedom fighters." If at any time under Arafat's rule the Palestinians were given what they wanted (or taken I should say, they were offered), do you honestly think the terrorists attacks would have stopped? Also, if the "occupying" nation of Israel was a Muslim nation, do you think the Palestinians would still be "fighting for their freedom?"

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: ManSnake

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ManSnake

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Hey ManSnake, any chance of an explination/essay/list of reasons on why you think that manipulative piece of camel droppings was a great leader as opposed to one of the biggest disruptive influences of that region?

What's the point of providing 'explination/essay/list of reasons' as you put it, when I am not trying to convince you of anything?

Different people see things differently, right and wrong are not absolute.

The death of a great leader

Well, killing women and children is wrong. That is an absolute. A political leader who encourages that act is wrong. That is an absolute.

Now go kill your mother for giving birth to you and stop with the 'death of a great leader' crap.

The same event can be told differently by people depending on their perspective. Thus right and wrong are not absolute.

Oh and I am so hurt by your last comment :brokenheart:

The death of a great leader

Sorry, I will withdraw that comment.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: ManSnake
The same event can be told differently by people depending on their perspective. Thus right and wrong are not absolute.

Absolutely, according to my Palestinian sources, I hear it's pretty common for Israeli children to ride buses fully armed and ready to dispense any and all Palestinians they encounter, making the slaughter of these Israelis necessary to a secure Palestine.

Yea, I suppose you could see it that way, provided you are a sick and twisted terrorist sympathizer.

Seriously, at least Arafat knew enough to speak your rhetoric only in Arabic, to cloak his real intentions from most of the world.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

The American elite is almost beyond redemption. . . . Moral relativism has set in so deeply that the gilded classes have become incapable of discerning right from wrong. Everything can be explained away, especially by journalists. Life is one great moral mush--sophistry washed down with Chardonnay. The ordinary citizens, thank goodness, still adhere to absolutes. . . . It is they who have saved the republic from creeping degradation while their "betters" were derelict.

Charles Dickens

translation please

Cliff notes: Basically there is a right and wrong.

what is right and wrong depends on which side you are on

No it is not.

I hate to bring the Nazis in to this without someone invoking Goodwin's Law but:
So you think it was fine for the Nazis to kill jews?

do u think it was right to drop the atom bomb in japan? US killed a lot of innocent civilian that time

Yes, because hundreds of thousands more would have died otherwise.

Ohhhhh, I get it now. It's justified to kill innocent civilians when the lives of a greater number of soldiers are at risk.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: ManSnake

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ManSnake

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Hey ManSnake, any chance of an explination/essay/list of reasons on why you think that manipulative piece of camel droppings was a great leader as opposed to one of the biggest disruptive influences of that region?

What's the point of providing 'explination/essay/list of reasons' as you put it, when I am not trying to convince you of anything?

Different people see things differently, right and wrong are not absolute.

The death of a great leader

Well, killing women and children is wrong. That is an absolute. A political leader who encourages that act is wrong. That is an absolute.

Now go kill your mother for giving birth to you and stop with the 'death of a great leader' crap.

The same event can be told differently by people depending on their perspective. Thus right and wrong are not absolute.

Oh and I am so hurt by your last comment :brokenheart:

The death of a great leader

thats right. with a little mental gymnastics its not hard to see that hitler was exterminating the jews to clense his land for his people. he was protecting his people, his country, he was doing good! he was a great leader!

the facts are that the palestinians and arafat have at every chance denied themselves peace, never failing to embrace violence instead. their viscious antisemitic propaganda and indoctrination at all levels of media/government/education/religious authorities would make hitler smile. its no surprise peace has failed for so long.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: z0mb13

do u think it was right to drop the atom bomb in japan? US killed a lot of innocent civilian that time

Yes, because hundreds of thousands more would have died otherwise.

Ohhhhh, I get it now. It's justified to kill innocent civilians when the lives of a greater number of soldiers are at risk.

In fairness, the civilian death toll would have been enormous in an invasion. Japan was also on the edge of a disasterous famine that would have killed a large chunk of the population if the war had been prolonged.

 

[Bulk Beef]

The death of a great leader

Seriously, forgetting about Israel for a moment, wouldn't a "great leader" make some sort of arrangements for continuity of power and order (such as it is) in the event of his impending death?

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Originally posted by: K1052


I can understand why you feel that way. After all, he did manage to establish a stable Palestinian state that peacefully co-exists with Israel.

"peacefully co-exists with Israel."

Where have you been the last 30 years?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: K1052


I can understand why you feel that way. After all, he did manage to establish a stable Palestinian state that peacefully co-exists with Israel.

"peacefully co-exists with Israel."

Where have you been the last 30 years?

You did read the second part of my post, right?

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight

Originally posted by: K1052


I can understand why you feel that way. After all, he did manage to establish a stable Palestinian state that peacefully co-exists with Israel.

"peacefully co-exists with Israel."

Where have you been the last 30 years?

You did read the second part of my post, right?

I feel stupid.

 

[Conky]

I hope he says hi to all the suicide bombers he recruited when he gets to hell.

 

[BadNewsBears]

Originally posted by: ManSnake

Originally posted by: Mwilding
if by "leading" you mean "setting his people back 1000 years", then yes he was a great leader...

To you he might be a terrorist, to others he is a freedom fighter just as you might see Operation Iraqi Freedom as liberating the Iraqi people from a dictator, others may see it as illegal occupation. It is all relative.

The death of a great leader

Ultimate tool ^^^^^^

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: Munchies

Originally posted by: ManSnake

Originally posted by: Mwilding
if by "leading" you mean "setting his people back 1000 years", then yes he was a great leader...

To you he might be a terrorist, to others he is a freedom fighter just as you might see Operation Iraqi Freedom as liberating the Iraqi people from a dictator, others may see it as illegal occupation. It is all relative.

The death of a great leader

Ultimate tool ^^^^^^

You keep talking about relativism. Now, there is a relativistic aspect to truth, but there is also truth.

Billions of aide money went missing under Arafat. This is not truth as I percieve it. This is the absolute. Ask an Arab who hasn't been spoonfed lies and he will say the same thing.

It is wrong to kill innocents. Can anyone debate this? Yes, I know innocents were killed by Israelies and US forces. That doesn't make it OK.

Israel was not Arab terretory when it was founded. Again, this doesn't change with the direction you look at it from. Ask an Arab without his head up his ass and he will say the same thing.

 

[Trente]

Yasser Arafat's Dark Legacy