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Arafat is really dead this time

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
I'm not terribly thrilled to see that Israel denied his request to be buried in Jerusalem. It does sound kind of absurd, but to do so would certainly ease some tensions - now we're going to see a long, drawn out fight towards getting him in Jerusalem.
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Are you serious? They wanted him to be buried on the most disputed site in the world, the temple mount. If you think burying him there would EASE tensions you're sadly mistaken.
 
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Hey ManSnake, any chance of an explination/essay/list of reasons on why you think that manipulative piece of camel droppings was a great leader as opposed to one of the biggest disruptive influences of that region?
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What's the point of providing 'explination/essay/list of reasons' as you put it, when I am not trying to convince you of anything?
Different people see things differently, right and wrong are not absolute.
The death of a great leader 🙁
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Well, I hate to burst your enlightened "I can see all sides" bubble, but when someone sees the murder of innocent people shopping, kids on their way to school, a bride on the eve of her wedding etc. etc. etc. etc. as the RIGHT thing to do, that's when right and wrong ARE absolute. Whoever sees that as the RIGHT thing to do deserves the fate of their victims.
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Still a matter of perspective. What you have stated is your view of the world, and it's just that, nothing more.
The death of a great leader 🙁
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You know what's ironic? You sit here and lecture about different views and perspectives depending on someone's outlook, yet you call him a great leader. Makes me wonder. Shouldn't you be saying that to some, he was a great leader and to others he was a terrorist bastard?
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Shouldn't you be saying that to some, he was a great leader and to others he was a terrorist bastard

This is exactly what I was trying to say
 
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Hey ManSnake, any chance of an explination/essay/list of reasons on why you think that manipulative piece of camel droppings was a great leader as opposed to one of the biggest disruptive influences of that region?
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What's the point of providing 'explination/essay/list of reasons' as you put it, when I am not trying to convince you of anything?
Different people see things differently, right and wrong are not absolute.
The death of a great leader 🙁
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Well, I hate to burst your enlightened "I can see all sides" bubble, but when someone sees the murder of innocent people shopping, kids on their way to school, a bride on the eve of her wedding etc. etc. etc. etc. as the RIGHT thing to do, that's when right and wrong ARE absolute. Whoever sees that as the RIGHT thing to do deserves the fate of their victims.
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Still a matter of perspective. What you have stated is your view of the world, and it's just that, nothing more.
The death of a great leader 🙁
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You know what's ironic? You sit here and lecture about different views and perspectives depending on someone's outlook, yet you call him a great leader. Makes me wonder. Shouldn't you be saying that to some, he was a great leader and to others he was a terrorist bastard?
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Shouldn't you be saying that to some, he was a great leader and to others he was a terrorist bastard
This is exactly what I was trying to say
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Oh, by no means am I agreeing with that. I'm just saying that by HIS OWN VIEWPOINT he should be saying that.
 
As Bill Clinton said in his book:
Arafat "seemed confused, not wholly in command of the facts," and that he ultimately "couldn't make the final jump from revolutionary to statesman" -- what Clinton calls "an error of historic proportions."

.....

"Right before I left office, Arafat thanked me for all my efforts and told me what a great man I was. 'Mr Chairman,' I replied, 'I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you have made me a failure.'"
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ya, i know this is not very nice, so skip this post if you have a soft spot for corrupt, terrorist-supporting, fame-seeking, politicians who make millions while "their" people suffer, but this is an actual theory going around...

ARAFAT HAD AIDS
Arafat had AIDS, AIDS, AIDS AIDS
AIDS, AIDS, AIDS, AIDS, AIDS!
Arafat had AIDS!

(spoken)
And so this is the end of our story
and Arafat is dead from AIDS.
It took from me my best friend, my only
true pal, my only bright star.
Well, I'm gonna march on Jerusalem,
lead the fight and charge the brigades.
There's a hero inside of all of us.
I'll make them see Arafat had AIDS.

(singing again)
My father..AIDS! My sister...AIDS!
My uncle and my cousin and her best friend AIDS.
Gays, straights, whites and spades,
Arafat had AIDS.
My grandma and my old dog Blue.
The mullah has got it and so do you.
Come on everybody we've got quiltin' to do.
Gonna break down these barricades Arafat had AIDS,
AIDS, AIDS, AIDS...
 
Originally posted by: z0mb13
I am curious why the israelis cant simply kill him ?? what prevented them from doing that?
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For some reason Arafat was treated as a head of state and not as a terrorist by many countries of the world. Killing him was out of the question. They were close to expelling him several times.
 
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: z0mb13
I am curious why the israelis cant simply kill him ?? what prevented them from doing that?
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For some reason Arafat was treated as a head of state and not as a terrorist by many countries of the world. Killing him was out of the question. They were close to expelling him several times.
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so whos gonna lead palestine now?
 
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: z0mb13
I am curious why the israelis cant simply kill him ?? what prevented them from doing that?
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For some reason Arafat was treated as a head of state and not as a terrorist by many countries of the world. Killing him was out of the question. They were close to expelling him several times.
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so whos gonna lead palestine now?
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Remains to be seen. There will be a power struggle among the various terrorists groups.
 
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: z0mb13
I am curious why the israelis cant simply kill him ?? what prevented them from doing that?
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For some reason Arafat was treated as a head of state and not as a terrorist by many countries of the world. Killing him was out of the question. They were close to expelling him several times.
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so whos gonna lead palestine now?
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Good question. It might unforunately led to a civil war.
 
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
The whole AIDS thing -while interesting- is unconfirmed.
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ya, i won't even link to the site i saw it on... my monitor would fall of the right side of the desk. Kind of weird that they won't say anything about this "mystery illness" he died of.
 
Originally posted by: stant093
i know, they cut out the last of CSI
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AMEN What? Did they really think that we were just sitting and waiting...holding our breath...to find out if the man died or not? I know I wasn't. I would have much rather seen the end of CSI.
 
Wow this thread is going to self implode. I just wanted to let everyone know he was dead. Not start a war
oh well flame on
 
Originally posted by: CaptainGoodnight
The whole AIDS thing -while interesting- is unconfirmed.
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We may never know since France has that silly confidentiality law regarding the release of information. However, how he died is irelivent at this point in time because there's no bringing him back.


 
Originally posted by: TheITguy
Wow this thread is going to self implode. I just wanted to let everyone know he was dead. Not start a war
oh well flame on
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Well, thanks for starting this mess. 😉

 
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Hey ManSnake, any chance of an explination/essay/list of reasons on why you think that manipulative piece of camel droppings was a great leader as opposed to one of the biggest disruptive influences of that region?
Click to expand...
What's the point of providing 'explination/essay/list of reasons' as you put it, when I am not trying to convince you of anything?
Different people see things differently, right and wrong are not absolute.
The death of a great leader 🙁
Click to expand...
Well, I hate to burst your enlightened "I can see all sides" bubble, but when someone sees the murder of innocent people shopping, kids on their way to school, a bride on the eve of her wedding etc. etc. etc. etc. as the RIGHT thing to do, that's when right and wrong ARE absolute. Whoever sees that as the RIGHT thing to do deserves the fate of their victims.
Click to expand...
Still a matter of perspective. What you have stated is your view of the world, and it's just that, nothing more.
The death of a great leader 🙁
Click to expand...
You know what's ironic? You sit here and lecture about different views and perspectives depending on someone's outlook, yet you call him a great leader. Makes me wonder. Shouldn't you be saying that to some, he was a great leader and to others he was a terrorist bastard?
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Ironic? I simply stated "The death of a great leader 🙁" and to look at things in perspective. You are the one who is trying to tell me I am wrong. So where is the irony now?

The death of a great leader 🙁
 
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Hey ManSnake, any chance of an explination/essay/list of reasons on why you think that manipulative piece of camel droppings was a great leader as opposed to one of the biggest disruptive influences of that region?
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What's the point of providing 'explination/essay/list of reasons' as you put it, when I am not trying to convince you of anything?

Different people see things differently, right and wrong are not absolute.

The death of a great leader 🙁
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Well, killing women and children is wrong. That is an absolute. A political leader who encourages that act is wrong. That is an absolute.

Now stop with the 'death of a great leader' crap.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Hey ManSnake, any chance of an explination/essay/list of reasons on why you think that manipulative piece of camel droppings was a great leader as opposed to one of the biggest disruptive influences of that region?
Click to expand...

What's the point of providing 'explination/essay/list of reasons' as you put it, when I am not trying to convince you of anything?

Different people see things differently, right and wrong are not absolute.

The death of a great leader 🙁
Click to expand...

Well, killing women and children is wrong. That is an absolute. A political leader who encourages that act is wrong. That is an absolute.

Now go kill your mother for giving birth to you and stop with the 'death of a great leader' crap.
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The same event can be told differently by people depending on their perspective. Thus right and wrong are not absolute.

Oh and I am so hurt by your last comment :brokenheart:

The death of a great leader 🙁
 
Originally posted by: ManSnake

The death of a great leader 🙁
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I can understand why you feel that way. After all, he did manage to establish a stable Palestinian state that peacefully co-exists with Israel.



Oh wait, he didn't really accomplish a damn thing except get a bunch of people killed and betray the trust of the Palestinian people to extricate them from the disaster the other Arab states sunk them into.
 
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