Ar15s replacing shotguns in police cruisers?

[JEDI]

more and more on the news i see cops in standard police cruisers on the scene wielding ar's instead of shotguns.

is the ar now the standard secondary weapon for patrol cops in cruisers?

 

[lxskllr]

It's part of the militarization of the police force. They're slowly becoming a branch of the armed forces which can act where the real military can't.

 

[OverVolt]

The police force is actually pretty honest, and the AR-15's are because of all the civilian body armor. Like the LA shootings. Bullets were bouncing off those guys. Shotguns are nothing to sneer at, it just doesn't have penetration.

 

[irishScott]

The police force is actually pretty honest, and the AR-15's are because of all the civilian body armor. Like the LA shootings. Bullets were bouncing off those guys. Shotguns are nothing to sneer at, it just doesn't have penetration.

Yep. LA shootings started the trend and its been moving slowly ever since. Hell my freaking University PD has some very nice semi-auto Bushmasters rolling around.

Honestly it's not a decision I have an issue with. Police encountered a situation where shotguns weren't good enough, so they got something better. Same reasoning behind the switch to automatic pistols from revolvers and every other upgrade they've gone through.

 

[boomhower]

We carry both. Issued 11-87's and can carry an AR if you provide your own. It has nothing to do with militarization and all about getting on equal footing with the criminals. AK's in particular are extremely common with the gang bangers these days.

Active shooter, I'll take the rifle. Clearing a house and I'll take the shotgun. Both have their rolls but if I could only have one it would be the rifle.

 

[Red Squirrel]

In a way I think it's probably a good idea that cops get ARs considering most of the bad guys have em too. It's too bad there are so many asshole cops that abuse their powers though, and those cops too now have even more fire power.

 

[olds]

We carry both. Issued 11-87's and can carry an AR if you provide your own. It has nothing to do with militarization and all about getting on equal footing with the criminals. AK's in particular are extremely common with the gang bangers these days.

Active shooter, I'll take the rifle. Clearing a house and I'll take the shotgun. Both have their rolls but if I could only have one it would be the rifle.

I am curious. Those AKs you are seeing, full auto or semi?

Every single movie show only autos. Thus every single newscaster thinks every rifle is auto.

Seen lots of police that carry the shotgun in the cab and the AR in the trunk.

 

[dennilfloss]

Why not give the cops full autos (M16s) rather than AR-15s if they are facing AK-47s?

 

[zerocool84]

Why not give the cops full autos (M16s) rather than AR-15s if they are facing AK-47s?

Because they aren't military.

 

[j&j]

Because they aren't military.

M-16's haven't been full auto in a long, long time. They are selective 3 round burst or semi auto only. If you drop down to the M-4 Carbine, then you'll go full auto.

Also, many SWAT forces use M-4 and variants that are full auto, it's not like you have to be military.

 

[JEDI]

The police force is actually pretty honest, and the AR-15's are because of all the civilian body armor. Like the LA shootings. Bullets were bouncing off those guys. Shotguns are nothing to sneer at, it just doesn't have penetration.

And just how does a AR penetrate a Lvl4 body armor like those guys in LA had?

i would think a shotgun slug would do more dmg vs a lvl4?

 

[JEDI]

M-16's haven't been full auto in a long, long time. They are selective 3 round burst or semi auto only. If you drop down to the M-4 Carbine, then you'll go full auto.

Also, many SWAT forces use M-4 and variants that are full auto, it's not like you have to be military.

grrr.. why cant civilians easily (and leagally) get 3round bursts in their ARs?

 

[rudeguy]

We carry both. Issued 11-87's and can carry an AR if you provide your own. It has nothing to do with militarization and all about getting on equal footing with the criminals. AK's in particular are extremely common with the gang bangers these days.

Active shooter, I'll take the rifle. Clearing a house and I'll take the shotgun. Both have their rolls but if I could only have one it would be the rifle.

I could see SWAT using shotguns but I never understood patrol cops using them.

I'm a shotgun/handgun guy myself. But in the situations that you guys find yourself in...I agree with you 100%.

Stay safe buddy.

 

[olds]

And just how does a AR penetrate a Lvl4 body armor like those guys in LA had?

i would think a shotgun slug would do more dmg vs a lvl4?

Ah, I see your problem

 

[olds]

I could see SWAT using shotguns but I never understood patrol cops using them.

I'm a shotgun/handgun guy myself. But in the situations that you guys find yourself in...I agree with you 100%.

Stay safe buddy.

At home, a handgun is what you use to fight your way to your shotgun.

 

[rudeguy]

grrr.. why can civilians easily (and leagally) get 3round bursts in their ARs?

why not?

If I clear the background checks, I can buy a tank.

 

[rudeguy]

At home, a handgun is what you use to fight your way to your shotgun.

/shrug

I just can't see having both your hands tied up like you need for a shotgun. Give me a 9mm so I can call 911/hold a flashlight/stab the fucker in the eyeball with my other hand.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

" It has nothing to do with militarization and all about getting on equal footing with the criminals."
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nostri-imago/4427921293/

 

[Smoblikat]

M-16's haven't been full auto in a long, long time. They are selective 3 round burst or semi auto only. If you drop down to the M-4 Carbine, then you'll go full auto.

Also, many SWAT forces use M-4 and variants that are full auto, it's not like you have to be military.

M-16A3.................technically

 

[Jeeebus]

We carry both. Issued 11-87's and can carry an AR if you provide your own. It has nothing to do with militarization and all about getting on equal footing with the criminals. AK's in particular are extremely common with the gang bangers these days.

Active shooter, I'll take the rifle. Clearing a house and I'll take the shotgun. Both have their rolls but if I could only have one it would be the rifle.

11-87p sits next to our M&P9mm in the bedroom. Wife isnt a fan of the shotgun, but it would be my go to weapon of ever needed.

 

[pontifex]

Why not give the cops full autos (M16s) rather than AR-15s if they are facing AK-47s?

because the ak-47s aren't full auto either.

very few crimes are committed with full auto weapons.

again, real life does not equal movies.

 

[Baked]

What do Russian police use? AK-47?

 

[Red Squirrel]

What do Russian police use? AK-47?

I Soviet Russia, Guns use the police.

 

[deadlyapp]

The motorcycle cops in the city where I work have short barreled AR's strapped to the side of their cruisers. I'm tempted to stop and talk to them sometimes on my way in.

 

[Cattlegod]

I can't see full auto being any good for a criminal or police, will eat through too much ammo.