Apple's iOS beats Android 6:1 on the Web

[MrX8503]

iPhone would be just another Palm Pre on Verizon.

I highly doubt that.

 

[Bryf50]

I honestly don't understand why you would think that the iPhone would come to Verizon. It's a CDMA network. Why would Apple want to even put money into developing a CDMA based iPhone for one carrier in one country? They could just open it up to T-Mobile and that would open it up to more people and relieve stress on AT&T's network.

Verizon is the largest cell phone carrier in the largest market for apple products. Not quite some random carrier in some random country.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Verizon is the largest cell phone carrier in the largest market for apple products. Not quite some random carrier in some random country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators

Hmmmm. Largest cell phone carrier in the largest market? I don't think so. You need to realize that yes Apple is centered in the United States and they do ship out first here, but there are a lot more people out there than the 300 million people here in the US. And most of those people outside of the US use GSM. Also, what does GSM stand for? GLOBAL? As in everyone except a few companies use it.

 

[cheezy321]

iPhone would be just another Palm Pre on Verizon.

statements like this make you android phanboys look retarded

 

[dguy6789]

statements like this make you android phanboys look retarded

You calling me a fanboy because I don't worship the iPhone? Utterly ridiculous. I own an iPad. iPhone coming to Verizon would bring nothing new to the carrier. Compared to other phones on AT&T before the Captivate came out, the iPhone was something special; on Verizon iPhone will be just another phone with standard capabilities compared to the rest of the fleet.

 

[Brian Stirling]

With Apple/Jobs more-or-less confirming that they will stay with the 3.5 inch screen size they will lose out to phones with larger screens when it comes to data use and web surfing. The Evo was the first of the 4.3 inch phones and I expect when it and the other Android phones with larger screens become more popular the reign of Apple will end.

Certainly the trend lines are indicating that but it's more then number as there is something fundamental behind the numbers. In order to practically surf the web and do other internet things you need a larger display than Apple think we need. I'd guess that within a couple years the average smart phone sold will have a 4.3 inch screen but there will be many with even larger phones going to 5 inches and beyond.

Imagine a phone with a 5 inch phone and a screen with 1920x1280 resolution, a dual core uP and a decent battery of, say, 3000mAHr. I dare say the puny iPhones will be laughed at by everyone that isn't an Apple/Jobs fanboy...

I look forward to the day when I can bring up an AutoCAD drawing and pull a dimension from it from within my phone. You're not going to do that with a phone that has a tiny screen...


Brian

 

[cheezy321]

You calling me a fanboy because I don't worship the iPhone? Utterly ridiculous. I own an iPad. iPhone coming to Verizon would bring nothing new to the carrier. Compared to other phones on AT&T before the Captivate came out, the iPhone was something special; on Verizon iPhone will be just another phone with standard capabilities compared to the rest of the fleet.

I guarantee you that when (or if) the iphone comes out for verizon, it will sell more iPhone's on the first day of its release than any other phone on verizon before that. Mark my words. It's pretty much already a given that this will happen. It wont be just another 'palm pre' and that statement is still just as ridiculous.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I guarantee you that when (or if) the iphone comes out for verizon, it will sell more iPhone's on the first day of its release than any other phone on Verizon before that.

I suspect it'll set some serious records as well.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

CDMA isn't in just one country, it is in parts of Eastern Europe, Russia, China and other parts of Asia. The largest TeleCo in Brazil is CDMA, as is a lot of S. America. And of course, the largest TeleCo in the US, Verizon is also CDMA.

So, if you think that Apple wasn't working on a CDMA prototype since day 1, then you are just deluding yourself. Just like how they were working on OS X for intel 6 years before it actually came out. A good company keeps its options open, that is what Dell, just like every other OEM parts from multiple sources.

However, all that is irrelevant. My understanding is that LTE is coming to both AT&T and Verizon, the hardware is going to be the same, it is just the encryption that is different. But why wait until then? Why not roll out a CDMA phone before LTE (just like how they rolled out the original iPhone sans 3G) so you can hit every customer and every customer can see what the performance is like.

Uhh dude what are you smoking? CDMA is so limited it's not even funny. I've been all over Asia, and almost every single country there uses SIM cards. How do you think Nokia completely dominates the rest of the world? Symbian's 40%+ marketshare still? Those are all GSM devices.

I'm not saying there aren't CDMA countries out there. But honestly everytime you're thrown on a minority, you're at a loss. Take AT&T's 850/1900 mhz band for example. Who uses that? Latin America, Canada, Australia, Thailand... If you wanted a non carrier phone for AT&T what do you do? IMport aphone from those countries and pay up the wazoo. Otherwise, you're screwed. Go look at HowardForums and see everyone complain that Samsung, HTC, Nokia or whatever don't release 850/1900 variants frequently.

Also, I don't know why you say CDMA is huge in Brazil. Maybe it was their backbone just like Telus in Canada initially used CDMA, but when 3G technology rolled around, they continued with 3G UMTS deployments following the rest of the GSM world instead of moving to EVDO like Verizon did. In the case of Telus, look at their new phones. They fall back on EDGE but Telus has no EDGE network. Instead, they're confident in their UMTS network that their new phones are essentially purely 850/1900 GSM phones. If they really need to fall back on 2G, Rogers and Fido's 2G networks will let them roam, but essentially CDMA has been abandoned.

So yes, what benefit does a CDMA iPhone get except probably penetration into Verizon. This is what I've been asking since day 1. there's a huge market out there for unlocked phones and this is great for the iPhone because the iPhone uses GSM. Apple uses carrier restrictions to limit deployment and to keep the iPhone as something that people want but cannot get. Hence the price inflation when you buy an unlocked or bare iPhone (yes, they sell for $700-$800 online easily).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators

sums it up pretty easily. I'm not saying there's no reason to build a CDMA model. I'm just saying from a financial perspective, is it worth the extra manufacturing costs for Apple? I'd say no. but in terms of dominating the US market, there's benefit in doing so when half the US is CDMA.

 

[TheStu]

Uhh dude what are you smoking? CDMA is so limited it's not even funny. I've been all over Asia, and almost every single country there uses SIM cards. How do you think Nokia completely dominates the rest of the world? Symbian's 40%+ marketshare still? Those are all GSM devices.

I'm not saying there aren't CDMA countries out there. But honestly everytime you're thrown on a minority, you're at a loss. Take AT&T's 850/1900 mhz band for example. Who uses that? Latin America, Canada, Australia, Thailand... If you wanted a non carrier phone for AT&T what do you do? IMport aphone from those countries and pay up the wazoo. Otherwise, you're screwed. Go look at HowardForums and see everyone complain that Samsung, HTC, Nokia or whatever don't release 850/1900 variants frequently.

Also, I don't know why you say CDMA is huge in Brazil. Maybe it was their backbone just like Telus in Canada initially used CDMA, but when 3G technology rolled around, they continued with 3G UMTS deployments following the rest of the GSM world instead of moving to EVDO like Verizon did. In the case of Telus, look at their new phones. They fall back on EDGE but Telus has no EDGE network. Instead, they're confident in their UMTS network that their new phones are essentially purely 850/1900 GSM phones. If they really need to fall back on 2G, Rogers and Fido's 2G networks will let them roam, but essentially CDMA has been abandoned.

So yes, what benefit does a CDMA iPhone get except probably penetration into Verizon. This is what I've been asking since day 1. there's a huge market out there for unlocked phones and this is great for the iPhone because the iPhone uses GSM. Apple uses carrier restrictions to limit deployment and to keep the iPhone as something that people want but cannot get. Hence the price inflation when you buy an unlocked or bare iPhone (yes, they sell for $700-$800 online easily).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators

sums it up pretty easily. I'm not saying there's no reason to build a CDMA model. I'm just saying from a financial perspective, is it worth the extra manufacturing costs for Apple? I'd say no. but in terms of dominating the US market, there's benefit in doing so when half the US is CDMA.

That was the list I was going off of, I was merely trying to illustrate that the US isn't the end all and be all of the cell phone world.

 

[rudeguy]

That was the list I was going off of, I was merely trying to illustrate that the US isn't the end all and be all of the cell phone world.

Right. As a rule, we are on the bottom of the cell phone food chain. Europe and Asia have been years ahead of us for....well...years.

Anyone know what % of the global cell phone market the US makes up?

 

[Strk]

You calling me a fanboy because I don't worship the iPhone? Utterly ridiculous. I own an iPad. iPhone coming to Verizon would bring nothing new to the carrier. Compared to other phones on AT&T before the Captivate came out, the iPhone was something special; on Verizon iPhone will be just another phone with standard capabilities compared to the rest of the fleet.

I wouldn't say just another phone, but I get why you could say that though. Verizon definitely has the best line of phones. On hardware alone, they have what, 4 or 5 phones that match the capability of an iphone4? They also have several that can match a 3GS as well.

One of the things that hurts Android though is that it is so carrier/phone manufacturer consistent. You have phones still being released with 1.6, that may get 2.X. You have phones that aren't getting any upgrades. It will be interesting to see if Samsung screws up with the Galaxy S phones on upgrades like they did in the past.

 

[zerocool84]

I wouldn't say just another phone, but I get why you could say that though. Verizon definitely has the best line of phones. On hardware alone, they have what, 4 or 5 phones that match the capability of an iphone4? They also have several that can match a 3GS as well.

One of the things that hurts Android though is that it is so carrier/phone manufacturer consistent. You have phones still being released with 1.6, that may get 2.X. You have phones that aren't getting any upgrades. It will be interesting to see if Samsung screws up with the Galaxy S phones on upgrades like they did in the past.

Match the iPhone lol? Also Samsung already said when they're releasing updates to some of the Galaxy S phones.

 

[NeoAaronX]

Android predicted to outrun iPhone by 2012

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/08/05/android.variety.could.overtake.iphone.in.2.years/

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Dunno. Everyone talks about how Android is getting better and better, but the main limitation is the OS still.

You can talk about Captivate, Droid X, Nexus One, but how far have we gotten since Droid 1? An overclocked Droid 1 is still just as good. Sure screen size is bigger, but the main things against Android right now I feel are still OS based.

 

[dguy6789]

Galaxy S and Droid X/2 devices blow away 1.2Ghz Droid 1 devices in performance(3D performance is especially huge). 256MB of RAM makes multi-tasking noticeably more delayed as well on the Droid 1.

What kind of OS limitations are you referring to? After owning an iPad for a while I can quite honestly conclude that the device would be significantly better in nearly every way it could be measured if it ran Android. I've yet to see any reason to think there's a better overall mobile OS out there. Web OS is nice but due to the lack of user base, there's a lack of 3rd party support in the apps department, so the OS is hurt big time.

 

[cheezy321]

dguy6789: What parts specifically on the ipad do you think that android would do better?

 

[MrX8503]

You calling me a fanboy because I don't worship the iPhone? Utterly ridiculous. I own an iPad. iPhone coming to Verizon would bring nothing new to the carrier. Compared to other phones on AT&T before the Captivate came out, the iPhone was something special; on Verizon iPhone will be just another phone with standard capabilities compared to the rest of the fleet.

Bring nothing new? Tell that to the millions of verizon users who want an iPhone. Trust me the iphone will sell very well on Verizon. Anyone can see that.

 

[rudeguy]

Bring nothing new? Tell that to the millions of verizon users who want an iPhone. Trust me the iphone will sell very well on Verizon. Anyone can see that.

That's not the issue. No one who knows what they are talking about is saying that the iPhone wouldn't sell on Verizon.

The problem is that having it available on multiple carriers will make it not special anymore. There would be an initial rush of people grabbing iPhones, businesses would for sure be interested, but after that the iPhone would be held in direct comparison to the rest of the Verizon line up. Its a totally different game when customers actually have a choice.

But once again we are trying to debate the future. That never ends well.

 

[QueBert]

That's not the issue. No one who knows what they are talking about is saying that the iPhone wouldn't sell on Verizon.

The problem is that having it available on multiple carriers will make it not special anymore. There would be an initial rush of people grabbing iPhones, businesses would for sure be interested, but after that the iPhone would be held in direct comparison to the rest of the Verizon line up. Its a totally different game when customers actually have a choice.

But once again we are trying to debate the future. That never ends well.

The iPhone isn't special right now, too many people have one. I know tons of reports say Android is outselling the iPhone currently. But when I'm out I see 9 or 10 iPhones for every 1 Android. The crazy thing about the iPhone, people who own it know millions of other people have the exact same phone. Yet I still get them coming up to me wanting to show me their phone. I don't think anything could diminish the perceived specialness of the iPhone. I know people who own one that act like they're the only person on the planet who has one.

 

[MrX8503]

That's not the issue. No one who knows what they are talking about is saying that the iPhone wouldn't sell on Verizon.

The problem is that having it available on multiple carriers will make it not special anymore. There would be an initial rush of people grabbing iPhones, businesses would for sure be interested, but after that the iPhone would be held in direct comparison to the rest of the Verizon line up. Its a totally different game when customers actually have a choice.

But once again we are trying to debate the future. That never ends well.

After it sells well why does it matter if it's still special or not?

 

[rudeguy]

After it sells well why does it matter if it's still special or not?

ugggh...

Right now its special because its only available on once carrier. People want what they can't have. So someone on Verizon is going to be intrigued by the iPhone. Once that initial rush is done, it will be just another phone.

But once again...we are debating the future. I'm just telling you what I learned from 10+ years of selling phones. People want what they can't have, then when they can have it, they don't want it anymore.

IF the iPhone does come to Verizon, you can quote me on that trend. I'll put money on it that after 6 months, it will be outsold by Android devices.

 

[QueBert]

ugggh...

Right now its special because its only available on once carrier. People want what they can't have. So someone on Verizon is going to be intrigued by the iPhone. Once that initial rush is done, it will be just another phone.

But once again...we are debating the future. I'm just telling you what I learned from 10+ years of selling phones. People want what they can't have, then when they can have it, they don't want it anymore.

IF the iPhone does come to Verizon, you can quote me on that trend. I'll put money on it that after 6 months, it will be outsold by Android devices.

If you're saying it will be outsold on Verizon by a dozen Android devices, you're absolutely right. I'll bet money on PayPal that IF it comes to Verizon it will be their single biggest selling smart phone by a large margin.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I think that Android devices (what flipping 40-50 of them now?) will take the lead, but it's an aggregate lead, not really fair...

<---Owns multiples of both, and see that they both have their advantages and disadvantages.

 

[cheezy321]

ugggh...

Right now its special because its only available on once carrier. People want what they can't have. So someone on Verizon is going to be intrigued by the iPhone. Once that initial rush is done, it will be just another phone.

But once again...we are debating the future. I'm just telling you what I learned from 10+ years of selling phones. People want what they can't have, then when they can have it, they don't want it anymore.

IF the iPhone does come to Verizon, you can quote me on that trend. I'll put money on it that after 6 months, it will be outsold by Android devices.

The fact that the iPhone will be outsold by android devices is a given. Its all a numbers game. I 100% agree with you on that. But the bottom line is the iPhone will be the top selling single phone on verizon.