I think that's a non-issue. A graphic artist will still use a CRT because of superior color accuracy over current LCD's. A film/video editor will still use a broadcast monitor because computer monitors and TV's display images very differently.
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The reason why the 16ms 17" LCDs are 18-bit is not that they are 16ms, but because they are 17". Virtually all 17" and smaller desktop LCD panels are 18-bit, while virtually all 18" and larger desktop LCD panels are 24-bit regardless of their response time. Of course, there's more to color accuracy than the bit depth of the panel.
my question is why does the 30" require the gforce 6800 is it for the dual DVI or for some other reason?
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Because the 6800 DLL is the only consumer level card with dual link DVI. This just means that it has a special kind of DVI signal that can cram more information into it. Some professional cards can do this as well (Quadros, FireGLs) but those wouldn't be great for gaming, and are crazily expensive in most cases.
I think Macs use PCI-E don't they? So once we have PCI-E motherboards, and Nvidia makes up a nifty WDM driver for the 6800 DLL, it's concievable that we could use it with this monitor.
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Macs are still using AGP/PCI-X/PCI, so although your theory might hold with PCI-E(possible, since we don't need the ADC stuff now, but still need the Mac video BIOS), it has to be custom for the time being. As for the dual link thing, I myself am a bit confused - I thought dual link meant using two DVI connections in tandem, but the Apple description says the 6800U DDL can drive 2 30" monitors, but it only has 2 DVI connections, so it's either using an all out new type of connector, or it's an electronically different signal. Eug, do you know anything about this?
PS Factoid about the 30": even with the power drop offered by LCDs, it has a max power draw of 150W
will the 6800 DLL work on a regular pc for those who want the 30 inch monitor? or will any 6800 ultra support the monitor? i'm curious about compatibility.
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It's an AGP Pro card, so at the very least, you'd need an AGP Pro slot. Beyond that, there are the BIOS issues, and the possibility that Apple's AGP Pro implementation provides more power to the card than the reference Pro implementation(I don't have a good shot of the 6800U DDL, but I don't see a molex connector; even AGP Pro should need 1). Personally, I'm betting that it won't be compatible.
so basically, the 30inch lcd screen is limited to only those who can afford $4000 in not just the lcd and the video card, but much more money on a mac system? it seems marketly stupid of apple. also, most people wont shed out that kind of money on a mac, if even a PC.
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I'm no expert, but here goes:
A dual-link DVI card uses a DVI connector which has twice the normal DVI bandwidth. This is required for ultra high-rez displays. For instance, IBM has the T221 monitor, which is an ULTRA high rez screen (for radiology and stuff like that), and it requires either a standard dual DVI card with both ports used, or else a dual-link DVI card. On the PC side, these dual-link DVI cards are essentially always "pro" video cards like the Quadro, but are specialized versions even of the Quadro. These specialized cards cost 4 digit prices.
Apple, for its high rez screen chose not to use two DVI ports, but the dual-link DVI route. However, they stuck TWO of these dual-link ports on the card, which means it can actually run two 30" screens simultaneously. Interestingly, Apple chose to use not a Quadro, but the Geforce 6800, probably because it's the same CPU anyway, and they priced it at only $600, which seems quite reasonable for what you get.
A PC Geforce 6800 will NOT work with this 30" monitor. To get it to work you'll need a dual-link video card, and as I said these cards are $$$$ for PCs. The Mac card won't work either since it has Mac-specific BIOS.
By the way, all current Apple Power Mac cards are dual DVI (well DVI + ADC, but ADC is similar to DVI), but only the Geforce 6800 Ultra is dual dual-link DVI. I guess they figure that nobody that is buying a 30" is gonna scrimp on the video card, so there is no reason to have say a Radeon 9600 with dual dual-link DVI ports.
So in summary, if you're a PC person, essentially the only way you're gonna be able to run this monitor at full resolution is to buy a $2000 video card or something.
Suddenly a Power Mac dual G5 2.5 with dual dual-link Geforce 6800 Ultra for $3450 seems like an absolute bargooon if you're in this type of market.
It seems Apple is really going after the 2D video market hard (as usual), and may be trying to get more into the 3D graphics market too with this hardware. It certainly doesn't hurt that Maya Unlimited is coming to the Mac this summer, and it will be qualified on this video card. (Maya Unlimited is qualified on only pro cards on the PC side. The consumer video cards like the Geforce 6800 work in Maya, but are not supported on PCs.)
A dual-link DVI card uses a DVI connector which has twice the normal DVI bandwidth. This is required for ultra high-rez displays. For instance, IBM has the T221 monitor, which is an ULTRA high rez screen (for radiology and stuff like that), and it requires either a standard dual DVI card with both ports used, or else a dual-link DVI card. On the PC side, these dual-link DVI cards are essentially always "pro" video cards like the Quadro, but are specialized versions even of the Quadro. These specialized cards cost 4 digit prices.
Apple, for its high rez screen chose not to use two DVI ports, but the dual-link DVI route. However, they stuck TWO of these dual-link ports on the card, which means it can actually run two 30" screens simultaneously. Interestingly, Apple chose to use not a Quadro, but the Geforce 6800, probably because it's the same CPU anyway, and they priced it at only $600, which seems quite reasonable for what you get.
A PC Geforce 6800 will NOT work with this 30" monitor. To get it to work you'll need a dual-link video card, and as I said these cards are $$$$ for PCs. The Mac card won't work either since it has Mac-specific BIOS.
By the way, all current Apple Power Mac cards are dual DVI (well DVI + ADC, but ADC is similar to DVI), but only the Geforce 6800 Ultra is dual dual-link DVI. I guess they figure that nobody that is buying a 30" is gonna scrimp on the video card, so there is no reason to have say a Radeon 9600 with dual dual-link DVI ports.
So in summary, if you're a PC person, essentially the only way you're gonna be able to run this monitor at full resolution is to buy a $2000 video card or something.
Suddenly a Power Mac dual G5 2.5 with dual dual-link Geforce 6800 Ultra for $3450 seems like an absolute bargooon if you're in this type of market. It seems Apple is really going after the 2D video market hard (as usual), and may be trying to get more into the 3D graphics market too with this hardware. It certainly doesn't hurt that Maya Unlimited is coming to the Mac this summer, and it will be qualified on this video card. (Maya Unlimited is qualified on only pro cards on the PC side. The consumer video cards like the Geforce 6800 work in Maya, but are not supported on PCs.)
Actually they will in a heartbeat. Especially those that get to glimpse at this monitor in action.
I was ready to sell my car and get a 23" when I saw that.
It's stupid why? The Mac customer base has been asking for upgraded, Apple branded monitors for a while. Is this monitor geared towards the home user to do some e-mail? Of course not. Is it for an office drone who does data entry? Of course not. Would professionals who spend, literally, 12hrs a day staring at a monitor while doing video/film editing, music, or art/photo/graphic design for a living think twice about dropping that much. Most likely not. An entry level, on the cheap uncompressed editing suite is gonna cost $15k by itself. When you start talking about places that do movies and commercials, and TV shows you can easily have $75-$100k in a suite (and have a half dozen or more suites). If clients come a lot to hang out in the bay having that puppy on your desk is going to pay for itself in "wow factor" alone.
I think this monitor will do very well w/it's target audience.
Lethal
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Well, check out the stream at the 45 and a half minute mark, where he's demo-ing the Spotlight search capabilities of Tiger.
His primary searches are "imac" "Paris" "birthday" :Q
I think that's a pretty damn big hint that new 20th Anniversary iMacs are going to be released at Apple expo in Paris on August 31st.
no Dual DVI both Dual link... Dual Dual Link...Originally posted by: Eug
Single DVI input - Dual-link.Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
omg...30" and 16ms, apples really done it this time
dual dvi
http://news.com.com/1606-2-5250761.html
I cant imagine trying to run any game or any rendering on that native resolution. Even this, the top video card would probably have a heart attack. What's really cool is that OS X is antialiased so you dont get super tiny type or icons because you are running a high res. All the desktop items are scaled up in size at your discretion.
The system is pretty amazing and the price is very good considering. I am thinking of getting dual 30"s at my office.
but it wouldnt be for me :brokenheart:BTW OS X Tiger works fine on G4's. I am running a dev copy right now on a dual G4 1.25.
That doesnt apply as much as it did 4 years ago. In many environments designers use LCD's now. They have gotten alot better and the space saving issues are significant. Color accuracy is generally most needed in printing. The design stage is usually not hindered by a fairly inaccurate video image. Press proofing/color matching systems need calibrated CRT's, not designers so much. Most offices I deal with have shifted the bulk of their design teams on LCDs in the last 2 years.
Have you looked at the prices and sales of premium computers like alienware? They are doing pretty well. Most people may not buy a $4000 display setup (display + vid card) but most people also dont buy macs. This is targeted at a specific audience, just like alienware and voodoopc do as well. My company alone will probably order 5 of these new display setups and although the prices went up in a sense, the price to performance ratio is much better then what they paid for for the older 23" displays of which we already have 6. I mean who really NEEDS a dual 30" LCD setup anyways? .01% of the computer market? Its like asking who really needs a Ferrari?
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