Apple sued over shrinking storage with iOS8 updates

[elitejp]

So now Google wants me to pay $100 for a microSD card in addition to buying their crappy phones?

But i can upgrade to a new phone and take that card out with me.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

The 1 gig on the 6 is a mostly non issue point for people to have something to bitch about. I have my 6+ JB'ed with about 20 different tweaks running. With 10 apps open my phone absolutely flies. It out performs my M7 everywhere, and that had twice the ran and I have about every performance mod I ever saw on XDA on it. Not saying the iPhone couldn't have benefited from another gig of memory, sure it would have. But my phone's faster than my roomies Samsung that has 3 gigs of memory. A Windows XP box with 512 megs of memory will almost always perform better than a 7 box with 1 gig.

Unless iOS 9 has a lot higher memory requirements, I don't see me needing a 2 gig iPhone anytime before 2 or 3 generations forward. The only way I'd consider the next gen one is if they have a 256gb version. Which I think they might. Can't stand MicroSD cards so all the internal storage you can give me is good.

And for everyone bitching about $$$ my 6+ 64gb was $275 from sprint, they wanted $325 for the 128. That's not a OMGWTFBBQSAUCE price hike.

Yeah the whole 1gb RAM is a non issue. I don't feel my iPhone 6 skips a beat compared to my 3GB OnePlus One. Even 3GB and 2GB on the OPO versus Nexus 5 isn't different. 2gb should be able to handle enough. Plus, the more RAM you have, the more random-ass apps just load in the background on Android (why Slacker Radio, why Youtube?)

 

[openwheel]

Sucks for iPhone users. The worst part of owning an Apple product is future update slows down the whole experience (unlike a Nexus 7 FHD which has gotten better and faster). A miserable 1gig RAM will become a problem in no time if history is to repeat itself and Apple diehards like delerium will have to upgrade very soon.

 

[master_shake_]

operating systems take up space it's a fact of life.

if anyone should be pissed it's people who bought conoles.

500gb xbone? yeah with 330 gb's of real storage.

 

[WelshBloke]

operating systems take up space it's a fact of life.

Which is fine if the OS is separate from the storage.

I can buy a computer without an OS or buy an empty hard drive.

I've never bought a phone where I had to format the storage then install the OS of my choice.

 

[master_shake_]

Which is fine if the OS is separate from the storage.

I can buy a computer without an OS or buy an empty hard drive.

I've never bought a phone where I had to format the storage then install the OS of my choice.

what in the hell are you on about?

 

[WelshBloke]

what in the hell are you on about?

I'm talking about when it's OK to advertise the usable capacity of storage or the size of storage if a device were empty.

As phone storage is never empty it's disingenuous to advertise the storage as if the device were empty.

 

[Graze]

Wasn't the Anandtech Iphone6 review that said more ram would have been welcomed being that they are starting to see minor things where more ram would have help?

 

[ponyo]

Wasn't the Anandtech Iphone6 review that said more ram would have been welcomed being that they are starting to see minor things where more ram would have help?

Another 1gb of ram would've been more welcomed than increased 128gb storage. Tab page reload on Safari is about the most annoying thing on the iOS. Apple has always been stingy with RAM.

 

[cpacini]

I'm talking about when it's OK to advertise the usable capacity of storage or the size of storage if a device were empty.

As phone storage is never empty it's disingenuous to advertise the storage as if the device were empty.

Computers have been sold this way forever though, typically they are advertised with the total size of the hard drive, not available space. Why would phones be any different?

 

[WelshBloke]

Computers have been sold this way forever though, typically they are advertised with the total size of the hard drive, not available space. Why would phones be any different?

Because a hard drive is just a pool of storage that you can replace or do with as you want?

 

[cpacini]

Because a hard drive is just a pool of storage that you can replace or do with as you want?

But your still going to need an operating system to use either device. You can't buy a computer with a 500 gb hard drive and expect to be able to store 500 gb of your own data and still have a functioning device.

 

[lxskllr]

But your still going to need an operating system to use either device. You can't buy a computer with a 500 gb hard drive and expect to be able to store 500 gb of your own data and still have a functioning device.

To be pedantic, you sure can. There's no reason you can't install to flash media, and use the hd for storage.

That said, the lawsuit is kind of stupid, but what the companies are doing is disingenuous. Saying your device has 16gb of storage is meaningless without knowing how much room the o/s takes. Wouldn't you be pissed if you bought a phone with "16gb" of storage, and found after opening it, the o/s is taking up 15gb of that? They should clearly list total storage, and storage available to the user.

 

[cpacini]

To be pedantic, you sure can. There's no reason you can't install to flash media, and use the hd for storage.

That said, the lawsuit is kind of stupid, but what the companies are doing is disingenuous. Saying your device has 16gb of storage is meaningless without knowing how much room the o/s takes. Wouldn't you be pissed if you bought a phone with "16gb" of storage, and found after opening it, the o/s is taking up 15gb of that? They should clearly list total storage, and storage available to the user.

Well sure you could install to separate flash storage, or install a second hard drive, or expand storage through other means, but those would all require adding additional storage beyond what was included originally.

 

[TreVader]

I'm surprised people are still trying to argue that this lawsuit isn't completely, 100% frivolous.


As stated by cpacini, every single memory format ever sold has been sold stating the total capacity. Either in base 10 or otherwise. Can you name one single phone where they only advertise "free" space? This is like suing Apple for telling you the truth!


What would a smartphone advertisement look like if you had to account for the OS? Would it be counted in base 10? It could look like anything, perhaps "iPhone 6S 64GB/60GB/57GB/53GB"; One rated capacity for each base and one rated capacity with the OS taken into account, with combinations of both? That seems absurd!


Really, they are suing Apple for nothing.

 

[mrochester]

Sucks for iPhone users. The worst part of owning an Apple product is future update slows down the whole experience (unlike a Nexus 7 FHD which has gotten better and faster). A miserable 1gig RAM will become a problem in no time if history is to repeat itself and Apple diehards like delerium will have to upgrade very soon.

The ironic thing is it's mostly Android users who update quicker than anyone else, always trying to find the next best thing or the 'perfect' device.

 

[lxskllr]

...perhaps "iPhone 6S 64GB/60GB/57GB/53GB"; One rated capacity for each base and one rated capacity with the OS taken into account, with combinations of both? That seems absurd!

That's a stellar idea, and the most honest thing they could do.

The ironic thing is it's mostly Android users who update quicker than anyone else, always trying to find the next best thing or the 'perfect' device.

I have all updates(aside from apps) blocked, and the way things are looking, I doubt I'll get Lollipop. What I'm more interested in is an o/s with more freedom, but that's hard to come by in mobile.

 

[mrochester]

That's a stellar idea, and the most honest thing they could do.


I have all updates(aside from apps) blocked, and the way things are looking, I doubt I'll get Lollipop. What I'm more interested in is an o/s with more freedom, but that's hard to come by in mobile.

I don't value so called 'freedom' as it doesn't give me any benefits as a consumer.

 

[WelshBloke]

Well sure you could install to separate flash storage, or install a second hard drive, or expand storage through other means, but those would all require adding additional storage beyond what was included originally.

The point is that the original storage that was advertised could hold that amount, youre buying a PC with X amount of storage. You cant format a phone so all the storage is available and use it, youre buying a phone with X-N amount of storage no matter what you do with it.

I'm surprised people are still trying to argue that this lawsuit isn't completely, 100% frivolous.

Is anyone arguing that?

 

[WelshBloke]

What I'm more interested in is an o/s with more freedom, but that's hard to come by in mobile.

I think that one of the problems is that a lot of what you dont want happens outside of your phone. You can have the most transparent and secure phone OS imaginable but as soon as you connect to a mobile network youre going to get tracked and logged up the wazoo.

 

[lxskllr]

I don't value so called 'freedom' as it doesn't give me any benefits as a consumer.

Of course it does. Software freedom is almost exclusively for the consumer. It helps devs to a lesser extent, but it's primarily end user focused.

 

[mrochester]

Of course it does. Software freedom is almost exclusively for the consumer. It helps devs to a lesser extent, but it's primarily end user focused.

I've never seen any benefit to using Android over iOS. I find Android to be a worse user experience if anything.

 

[lxskllr]

I think that one of the problems is that a lot of what you dont want happens outside of your phone. You can have the most transparent and secure phone OS imaginable but as soon as you connect to a mobile network youre going to get tracked and logged up the wazoo.

There's a lot of truth to that, but until the core infrastructure changes(maybe never), we have to deal with what we have. I'd be happy to have the tracking limited to rough triangulation and call records, while giving me the freedom to install/remove the tools of my choice, and limiting my obligations to telecom companies to a simple business transaction.

 

[lxskllr]

I've never seen any benefit to user Android over iOS. I find Android to be a worse user experience if anything.

Android has very little to do with freedom. It's starts as a free system, and gets chained down by Google and telecoms. It's more free than Apple, but that's a low bar to cross. I chose Android because it's currently the best of a bad set of choices. I don't especially like it, or like mobile devices in general.

 

[TreVader]

iOS is just way, way more polished.

Android used to be more customizable AND more powerful. Now it's just more customizable.

IMHO (lol you guys love my opinions) android peaked in late 2012. When the 4S was out and the Apple maps fiasco, no true 4GLTE, and while "it's only dual core" when the S3 had quad core was when Apple was in trouble in mobile.

That was when android could have taken over. It had LTE, big screens, better navigation/gps.

Now, apple dominates both hardware and software.