Apple sued over shrinking storage with iOS8 updates

[mrochester]

Hearsay, and a pure speculation.



You probably misunderstood me or maybe I did not explain myself clear. I have nothing against corporations competing in the market on their products' merits. Somewhere in this thread, however, there were a talk how Apple have to maintain xx% of margin, presumably regardless of the quality of their products. I pointed out that is a wrongheaded idea that will only find support from Apple's employees or those who share financial interest with Apple.


You forgot to add "in my opinion."

I don't need to add 'in my opinion', it is a fact that Apple have higher margins than pretty much all of their competitors.

I absolutely agree with you that a product also has to be good as well as maintaining a high product margin and a high product margin shouldn't be maintained if it's at the expense of making the product bad.

 

[poofyhairguy]

On a side note the argument that 1 g of ram is more than enough would pretty much come to a halt.

It should. I have hit the 2GB ram wall on an iOS device. Wish I could get an iPad/iPhone with 4GB. Would like that for Android too.

 

[Commodus]

Originally Posted by mrochester
"Apple also contribute a lot of resource to the development of new technologies too. So although new display and manufacturing technologies might not have Apple's name on them, they have probably sunk a considerable amount of resource into the development of that new technology."[/i]

Hearsay, and a pure speculation.

No, that's an undeniable fact.

Both Mini DisplayPort and Thunderbolt were standards primarily fostered by Apple. The company also plays a significant role in the smaller, easier-to-use USB Type-C connector you'll see in the near future.

Apple actually pushed for a lot of the technology in the 5K iMac's display; it regularly gets first-of-its-kind screens from companies LG and Samsung, often at its request (see the Retina MacBook Pro in mid-2012; it took a year for Toshiba to follow Apple's lead).

It custom-designs ARM processors for iOS devices (and presumably the Apple Watch), and has Intel produce chip variants that otherwise wouldn't have been created. The Ultrabook category literally owes its existence to Apple, because the company asked Intel to produce the first chip that made the form factor work (a then-special Core 2 Duo variant).

You can thank Apple for getting Gorilla Glass off the ground:

http://techland.time.com/2013/01/11...a-glass-you-with-the-cracked-phone-read-this/

Apple is also known for inventing new manufacturing processes to accomplish what it wants. The aluminum unibody on MacBooks? Apple developed the production technique. If your Windows Ultrabook has a unibody shell, you can credit Apple for at least inspiring the design.

And now you know why the company's fans get frustrated when the Anything But Apple camp parrots myths about it using the exact same parts as everyone else, simply because Intel makes the processor, or LG makes the display. It's a lot more complicated than that. Some components are undoubtedly off-the-shelf (flash storage, audio processors), but Apple invests a ton in getting the technology it wants, some of which it shares with the rest of the industry.

 

[DeathReborn]

No, that's an undeniable fact.

Both Mini DisplayPort and Thunderbolt were standards primarily fostered by Apple. The company also plays a significant role in the smaller, easier-to-use USB Type-C connector you'll see in the near future.

Apple actually pushed for a lot of the technology in the 5K iMac's display; it regularly gets first-of-its-kind screens from companies LG and Samsung, often at its request (see the Retina MacBook Pro in mid-2012; it took a year for Toshiba to follow Apple's lead).

It custom-designs ARM processors for iOS devices (and presumably the Apple Watch), and has Intel produce chip variants that otherwise wouldn't have been created. The Ultrabook category literally owes its existence to Apple, because the company asked Intel to produce the first chip that made the form factor work (a then-special Core 2 Duo variant).

You can thank Apple for getting Gorilla Glass off the ground:

http://techland.time.com/2013/01/11...a-glass-you-with-the-cracked-phone-read-this/

Apple is also known for inventing new manufacturing processes to accomplish what it wants. The aluminum unibody on MacBooks? Apple developed the production technique. If your Windows Ultrabook has a unibody shell, you can credit Apple for at least inspiring the design.

And now you know why the company's fans get frustrated when the Anything But Apple camp parrots myths about it using the exact same parts as everyone else, simply because Intel makes the processor, or LG makes the display. It's a lot more complicated than that. Some components are undoubtedly off-the-shelf (flash storage, audio processors), but Apple invests a ton in getting the technology it wants, some of which it shares with the rest of the industry.

I am pretty sure Sony had a "ultrabook" without the Intel Ultrabook branding before the Apple Macbook Air was announced. It wasn't the first time Sony beat Apple to a design yet get trumped by Job's brainwashing/marketing.

 

[mrochester]

I am pretty sure Sony had a "ultrabook" without the Intel Ultrabook branding before the Apple Macbook Air was announced. It wasn't the first time Sony beat Apple to a design yet get trumped by Job's brainwashing/marketing.

These other companies need to work on their charisma and public perception.

 

[Commodus]

I am pretty sure Sony had a "ultrabook" without the Intel Ultrabook branding before the Apple Macbook Air was announced. It wasn't the first time Sony beat Apple to a design yet get trumped by Job's brainwashing/marketing.

Nope.

There's a difference between an ultraportable and an Ultrabook. Ultraportables in the conventional sense were simply small and (hopefully) thin laptops that made a lot of sacrifices to get there: the slowest chips, tiny screens and keyboards, terrible battery life. Apple's goal was to strike a balance where you could have a "real" laptop that had the thin-and-light profile of an ultraportable without the usual sacrifices. The company was well-aware of what came before -- it directly compared the MacBook Air against the Sony VAIO TZ during its announcement!

Remember, when Intel coined the term "Ultrabook" in 2011 and set up the matching promotional program, it set guidelines for manufacturers that conveniently lined up with what Apple was doing. Systems had to be under 0.8 inches thick, around 13-14 inches or smaller and use similar processors. As much as you may hate to admit it, this isn't just marketing; Apple worked with Intel to create an entire category (or sub-category, depending on how you look at it).

 

[openwheel]

Nope.

There's a difference between an ultraportable and an Ultrabook. Ultraportables in the conventional sense were simply small and (hopefully) thin laptops that made a lot of sacrifices to get there: the slowest chips, tiny screens and keyboards, terrible battery life. Apple's goal was to strike a balance where you could have a "real" laptop that had the thin-and-light profile of an ultraportable without the usual sacrifices. The company was well-aware of what came before -- it directly compared the MacBook Air against the Sony VAIO TZ during its announcement!

Remember, when Intel coined the term "Ultrabook" in 2011 and set up the matching promotional program, it set guidelines for manufacturers that conveniently lined up with what Apple was doing. Systems had to be under 0.8 inches thick, around 13-14 inches or smaller and use similar processors. As much as you may hate to admit it, this isn't just marketing; Apple worked with Intel to create an entire category (or sub-category, depending on how you look at it).

There was a time when Sony ruled the World. Grandmas and papas only bought Sony regardless. They were slightly better built, but costs more. Apple is Sony all over again with hip culture attached to it.

Apple has not been a ground shaking inventor, they merely took existing ideas and made it better and fashionable at the same time. This combination was lacking 10-15 years ago. You either spent all day learning how to build computers, or you were too busy/lazy partying wearing skinny jeans. :hmm: