Apple releasing software to allow Macs to run XP

[FoBoT]

i wonder if they would demo this at costco

 

[remagavon]

Do NOT install this on a core duo imac. I lost my Mac file system by trying to install it, currently waiting for a response in the Apple forums.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Jzero

So you would buy Apple hardware just to run XP on it? Isn't it fundamentally all the same under the hood - PC or Mac?

find me a notebook with an MR1600 that weighs just 5.6 lbs

What MR1600? Dubyas address?

mobility radeon x1600?

dubya's address is on pennsylvania ave

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: remagavon
Do NOT install this on a core duo imac. I lost my Mac file system by trying to install it, currently waiting for a response in the Apple forums.

well that really blows

 

[archcommus]

I'm confused, what's the difference between desktop PC Intel Core Duo processors and the Pentium D? Is the Core Duo just the dual core version of the Pentium M, but altered for desktops?

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: remagavon
Do NOT install this on a core duo imac. I lost my Mac file system by trying to install it, currently waiting for a response in the Apple forums.

well that really blows

Yeah it does, thank God nothing important was on that computer. Still no response yet, although soemone else had it happen exactly the same way I did:

I got to the installation screen of windows and then it only found the mac file system drive, not the other windows partition. I rebooted into OSX to make sure I did have it partitioned correctly, then tried windows setup again and saw that the GB sizes were not lining up, so I tried to once more boot back into OSX and it could only find the windows partition, which wouldn't boot. I ran setup again and now it doesn't see ANY partition using the option key method when booting.

I'm sure they'll patch it or someone will figure out what went wrong, but until then I would advice people not to use this on a machine that has documents that they want to keep intact. I know apple advises this anyway, but I certianly wasn't expecting to lose the whole osx partition, I was expecting maybe windows to be a bit buggy or something.

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: archcommus
I'm confused, what's the difference between desktop PC Intel Core Duo processors and the Pentium D? Is the Core Duo just the dual core version of the Pentium M, but altered for desktops?

Core Duos are derivatives of Pentium M like you said, so lower power consumption, less heat generated, and yields impressive performance. Apple is opting to use these in their "desktops," ideal, since their cases are very space limited (i.e. Mac Minis, iMacs).

 

[SampSon]

Why would I want to do that?

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: archcommus
I'm confused, what's the difference between desktop PC Intel Core Duo processors and the Pentium D? Is the Core Duo just the dual core version of the Pentium M, but altered for desktops?

Core Duos are derivatives of Pentium M like you said, so lower power consumption, less heat generated, and yields impressive performance. Apple is opting to use these in their "desktops," ideal, since their cases are very space limited (i.e. Mac Minis, iMacs).

But is a Core Due very appealing at all for a typical DIY PC builder over say a P4 or A64?

 

[FreshPrince]

cnet video showing bootcamp in action... <-- damn cnet is fast!

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: archcommus
I'm confused, what's the difference between desktop PC Intel Core Duo processors and the Pentium D? Is the Core Duo just the dual core version of the Pentium M, but altered for desktops?

Core Duos are derivatives of Pentium M like you said, so lower power consumption, less heat generated, and yields impressive performance. Apple is opting to use these in their "desktops," ideal, since their cases are very space limited (i.e. Mac Minis, iMacs).

But is a Core Due very appealing at all for a typical DIY PC builder over say a P4 or A64?

I would pick Duos over Pentium Ds anyday. Over A64? Hmm... that's tough. Go read some articles here at Anand.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: Cooler
Im sure microsoft is happy about this they now get an expaned user base.

Yeah, up to a whole whopping 4% bigger. Yay.

Hell, even 4% is being optimistic when you consider that:

* The iBook G4 and PowerMac G5 still use Power PC processors and are not compatible with Boot Camp.
* Tons of Mac zealots hate Windows. That's why they use a Mac to begin with.

 

[archcommus]

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: archcommus
I'm confused, what's the difference between desktop PC Intel Core Duo processors and the Pentium D? Is the Core Duo just the dual core version of the Pentium M, but altered for desktops?

Core Duos are derivatives of Pentium M like you said, so lower power consumption, less heat generated, and yields impressive performance. Apple is opting to use these in their "desktops," ideal, since their cases are very space limited (i.e. Mac Minis, iMacs).

But is a Core Due very appealing at all for a typical DIY PC builder over say a P4 or A64?

I would pick Duos or Pentium Ds anyday. Over A64? Hmm... that's tough. Go read some articles here at Anand.

Well for me, there's nothing I'd get over an A64 right now. I just mean, how is the Duo performance-wise compared to the top desktop chips.

 

[chcarnage]

Heh. Some weeks ago Apple could've made thirteen thousand bucks with this software. I shiver thinking of XP booting on my Macs but I see how it is usefull to some people.

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D
As far as I know, OS X still doesn't do hibernation, but I hope I'm wrong, does anyone know for sure?

MacBooks and PowerBooks newer than october '05 support suspend-to-disk. You can hack it in older Macs but it isn't officially supported.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302477
http://matt.ucc.asn.au/apple/machibernate.html

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: archcommus
I'm confused, what's the difference between desktop PC Intel Core Duo processors and the Pentium D? Is the Core Duo just the dual core version of the Pentium M, but altered for desktops?

Core Duos are derivatives of Pentium M like you said, so lower power consumption, less heat generated, and yields impressive performance. Apple is opting to use these in their "desktops," ideal, since their cases are very space limited (i.e. Mac Minis, iMacs).

But is a Core Due very appealing at all for a typical DIY PC builder over say a P4 or A64?

I would pick Duos or Pentium Ds anyday. Over A64? Hmm... that's tough. Go read some articles here at Anand.

Well for me, there's nothing I'd get over an A64 right now. I just mean, how is the Duo performance-wise compared to the top desktop chips.

Like I said, go read Anand's review.

 

[FreshPrince]

the good news is for those designers complaining about how slow illustrator runs on the macbook pro can how load it on bootcamp xp and watch it fly! :laugh:

 

[Boztech]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Aharami
yay...now we can pay double the price for hardware for running the same software

i think the price gap has narrowed. and if you are talking laptops, only the thinkpads match the quality of the apple laptops. and the thinkpads aren't that much less than the apple laptops.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=MacBookPro

thinkpad

Only Thinkpads? Maybe in the mainstream market. Asus manufacturers the majority of Apple's notebooks, and you can buy Wintel notebooks and barebones notebooks by Asus.

Sager, Alienware, Voodoo PC all build very high quality notebooks as well, albeit sometimes at a premium.

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: Cooler
Im sure microsoft is happy about this they now get an expaned user base.

Yeah, up to a whole whopping 4% bigger. Yay.

Hell, even 4% is being optimistic when you consider that:

* The iBook G4 and PowerMac G5 still use Power PC processors and are not compatible with Boot Camp.
* Tons of Mac zealots hate Windows. That's why they use a Mac to begin with.

I will be buying Vista and running it on a Mac, probably a Mac Pro (intel powermac).

A 4% increase in user base is nothing to complain about, that's for sure.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: archcommus

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: archcommus
I'm confused, what's the difference between desktop PC Intel Core Duo processors and the Pentium D? Is the Core Duo just the dual core version of the Pentium M, but altered for desktops?

Core Duos are derivatives of Pentium M like you said, so lower power consumption, less heat generated, and yields impressive performance. Apple is opting to use these in their "desktops," ideal, since their cases are very space limited (i.e. Mac Minis, iMacs).

But is a Core Due very appealing at all for a typical DIY PC builder over say a P4 or A64?

depends on the price i guess
a64 has the advantage of being 64bit ready though


it is good for those who are sitting on the fence about mac because they don't want to completely lose xp capability though. now they can spend on one machine and have both, whats the lose? certainly cheaper than buying one of each like they may have before. imac g5 types are good enough for most people that don't game.

 

[Baked]

That's pretty sweet, running both OSs at the same time w/o 2 separate systems. Might consider buying a MacBook Pro.

 

[archcommus]

Why do so many people want the MBPs? That many of you have a need for a very powerful portable machine? I'm surprised.

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: archcommus
Why do so many people want the MBPs? That many of you have a need for a very powerful portable machine? I'm surprised.

It's fast, nice looking, fairly well built, has a great screen, a camera that's pretty neat, runs OSX and now Windows, has decent battery life for being a powerful notebook (3.5 hrs+), and is actually competitively priced, for an Apple product.

It's basically as fast as the iMac, and it's portable. It also can drive the 30" LCD which none of the other intel Macs can right now. (Though I don't know if it can do so in windows).

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

Originally posted by: BatmanNate
Apple's superior hardware, now that they run the same hardware as PC's. Apple is the new Bose.

No, their hardware is INFERIOR, they're bose because they overcharge compared to the competition for not doing the same stuff but with lower quality... ala other speaker companies like Klipsch or sennheiser..

Not true. Until very recently Apple used to be all SCSI. You never got a SCSI in a standard PC. Apples still uses best PC HW in thier boxes now they have totally converted to a PC. Japanese high quality caps on thier motherboards with 6 or 8 phase power - Crucial mem and seagte HDD's.. Cases are high end Al instead of plastic. Expensive HQ S-IPS in thier monitors. Really I think you've never taken one apart coming to this conclusion. Apple is expensive but it's not low quality by any measure.

Yup because all apple computers are equipped with X-FI sound cards and have hundreds of features, oh wait..

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: AmigaMan

Originally posted by: Aharami
yay...now we can pay double the price for hardware for running the same software

Find me a laptop, or any PC for that matter, that can run the latest OS X natively....oh wait, that's right, THERE AREN'T ANY!

This update isn't for people who want to run only Windows. This is for people who've chosen a superior OS but also want to run the occasional Windows-only game/application. If you're running out to buy a MBP just to run Windows, you're a moron.

Superior to what? I'd hardly call OSX superior, it's the most bloated POS operating system next to vista.. Want superior? Get Linux and quit b1tchin. Apple computers and products are for people who shop at whole foods, have credit card debt and drive an SUV that will never see "mud" or "snow" in it's lifetime.. <----In otherwords, morons.. Like somebody else said in this thread, apple is INFACT the new bose..

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: remagavon

Originally posted by: archcommus
Why do so many people want the MBPs? That many of you have a need for a very powerful portable machine? I'm surprised.

It's fast, nice looking, fairly well built, has a great screen, a camera that's pretty neat, runs OSX and now Windows, has decent battery life for being a powerful notebook (3.5 hrs+), and is actually competitively priced, for an Apple product.

WOW 3.5 hours!? You don't say! :roll: 3.5hours is actually pretty sh1tty for a laptop, most laptops I've used get around 3 hours battery life and those are "average" laptops, my thinkpad IIRC can get about 8 or 10 hours of battery life..