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hopejr

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Originally posted by: Cerb
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: Cerb
Originally posted by: Tabb
Or a $1 USB-PS2 Adapter.
$1? They aren't expensive, but normally I see the keybaord and mouse dongles for $10 or so (which also leaves 1 USB port open).

Thats good. Then you will leave an open USB port on the Mac, without having to buy an Apple keyboard or a hub. :)
But then what about a printer? external sound? flash drive? $17 shipped gets a itty bitty powered USB hub, though.
The iBooks come with the same number of ports, and it's fine. I use my iBook as my main computer, and I usually only have one USB port free (the other taken by my mouse which I always use). I plug my printer into the other one. If I need to use a flash drive, then I just unplug the printer (which I don't use all the time anyway). Same thing would go to the Mac Mini. And external sound? just use the audio jack.
 

trikster2

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Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: meson2000
How can you call Jobs a genius?

He made a 100% copy of a PC design that has been around for years. All Jobs did was go to his engineering department, see this cool PC design.. lets build a Mac the exact same way and try to pass it as our own idea.....

Apple is a waste.....

Apple had the Cube since 2000.

And before that didn't steve jobs create the original cube, the NeXt?


 

imported_Lucifer

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Originally posted by: trikster2
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: meson2000
How can you call Jobs a genius?

He made a 100% copy of a PC design that has been around for years. All Jobs did was go to his engineering department, see this cool PC design.. lets build a Mac the exact same way and try to pass it as our own idea.....

Apple is a waste.....

Apple had the Cube since 2000.

And before that didn't steve jobs create the original cube, the NeXt?

Yup. I forgot about that. That thing actually looked pretty nice for an old computer. :)

EDIT: Here are links. halfadder provided them earlier.
Link 1
Link 2

Jobs created 2 different cubes before the Powermac G4 cube.
 

Cerb

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Originally posted by: hopejr
Originally posted by: Cerb
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: Cerb
Originally posted by: Tabb
Or a $1 USB-PS2 Adapter.
$1? They aren't expensive, but normally I see the keybaord and mouse dongles for $10 or so (which also leaves 1 USB port open).
Thats good. Then you will leave an open USB port on the Mac, without having to buy an Apple keyboard or a hub. :)
But then what about a printer? external sound? flash drive? $17 shipped gets a itty bitty powered USB hub, though.
The iBooks come with the same number of ports, and it's fine. I use my iBook as my main computer, and I usually only have one USB port free (the other taken by my mouse which I always use). I plug my printer into the other one. If I need to use a flash drive, then I just unplug the printer (which I don't use all the time anyway). Same thing would go to the Mac Mini. And external sound? just use the audio jack.
No, no, no, the audio jack is internal audio.
I meant external. (Creative would suffice, but I'm trying to make a point ;))
+keybaord
+mouse
= need for USB hub.
 

halfadder

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
NanoITX pwnz that Big Fat Oversized Mac. :p
You're going to need to find a case that's quite a bit smaller than the Nanode... it's already 60% larger in volume than the Mac Mini. Nanode is quite a bit taller, even though it has the same drives inside. This might be due to the large heatsink on the VIA EPIA-N Nano-ITX board.

The problem with ultra-small cases is you still need to fit that optical drive in there. You can't get much smaller than the Mac Mini without getting rid of the optical drive. I suppose one option would be to just use a 7-in-one memory card reader up front rather than have an optical drive, that would allow the case to be much smaller.
 

imported_Lucifer

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If you buy from ClubMac, they give a free apple keyboard and mouse. The keyboard has 2 USB ports on it. Plug the mouse into the keyboard, you have one USB 2 port on your Mac, and one USB 1 port on the keyboard.
 

amol

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would apple release a G5 version of this, or do i have to buy a PowerMac or iMac to get that?
 

imported_Lucifer

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Originally posted by: Amol
would apple release a G5 version of this, or do i have to buy a PowerMac or iMac to get that?

Probably not. Right now, you would have to get a Powermac or iMac. But who knows, I could be wrong.
 

amol

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Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: Amol
would apple release a G5 version of this, or do i have to buy a PowerMac or iMac to get that?

Probably not. Right now, you would have to get a Powermac or iMac. But who knows, I could be wrong.

=/

i've always wanted a mac . . .

i was saving up for a dual 2.0GHz machine, but too much $$$

so now im planning an amd 64 machine. . .

i want the G5 though, not a G4

and the PowerMac is much more upgradeable than the iMac, so I would have to plop down AT LEAST $1500 + tax
 

imported_Lucifer

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Originally posted by: Amol
Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Originally posted by: Amol
would apple release a G5 version of this, or do i have to buy a PowerMac or iMac to get that?

Probably not. Right now, you would have to get a Powermac or iMac. But who knows, I could be wrong.

=/

i've always wanted a mac . . .

i was saving up for a dual 2.0GHz machine, but too much $$$

so now im planning an amd 64 machine. . .

i want the G5 though, not a G4

and the PowerMac is much more upgradeable than the iMac, so I would have to plop down AT LEAST $1500 + tax

I really want a G5, but yes, it is too much money. Instead, I just bought a used Powermac G4 400mhz tower, and decided to fix it up. Im thinking of putting a single 1.4GHz processor, and the ATI Radeon 9700 in it. Eventually, I will get a G5.

My brother is getting an AMD 64 machine. He is looking at a 3500+ right now. I have always like AMD.
 

Eug

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Originally posted by: KeithP
I read a MacExpo report written by Henry Norr over at macintouch.com. According to him, an Apple employee said that while they recommend an authorized service center perform memory upgrades on the mini, if a end user did the upgrade themselves, it does not void the warranty unless they break something in the process.

Assuming that is correct, that is certainly good news.

-KeithP
That would be great if true.

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Am I missing something here, or...
It has two USB 2.0 ports. Plug in your keyboard & mouse, you now have no free USB ports, just a FireWire 400 port. So, what plugs into a FireWire 400 port that will run on a 1.2ghz & 256mb? With a 32mb video card?
I simply don't see the point. Any portability it has is automatically eliminated by having to lug around a keyboard, mouse and monitor.
Well Apple dropped pricing on its keyboard last week, and it includes a built-in 2-port hub.

And hubs only cost $15 anyway.

Originally posted by: Macro2
RE:"You can get a keyboard and a mouse at your local computer shop. "

Does it have to be an apple keyboard and mouse or will a PC PS2 work?
PS2 with USB converters work, but are a crap shoot. The ones that seem to work well are the ones that are USB natively.

However, it's still best to get one with OS X drivers, since a a couple of the buttons are different. Microsoft's keyboards have excellent OS X drivers (ironically).

Originally posted by: Tabb
Or a $1 USB-PS2 Adapter.
Most of the $1 adapters convert USB to PS2. It wouldn't be needed since the keyboard is already USB. :p

The reverse direction usually costs around $10, but like I said, it's a crap shoot.
 

Dennis Travis

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Yes I found that interesting also Eug that the Microsoft drivers for their keyboards work so well on the Mac! :D

Like I said earlier the Logitech Mac drivers work great also. I tried both my friends Microsoft Top of the line keyboard and my Logitech Internet Navagator on my G4 and his G5 Dual 2.0 and all keys are mapped correctly. You can even shut the mac down with a button on either keyboard! I was impressed how well the drivers for both were written.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Way hot. Can hardy build a shuttle that cheap/

Shuttle'd be 5 times as fast though.

Have to admit it looks nice... unfortunately though, it's a Mac :( Oh well...
 

halfadder

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I bought a 4 port USB 1.1 hub for $9.95 at Staples, and after the $15 rebate came back, I actually made money out of the deal!
 

Supa

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Originally posted by: Childs
Originally posted by: Ulukia
What I ment was an LCD that could be attached to the top, like the consoles. The keyboard and mouse, on the other hand, would have to be seperate. Heck, maybe there is a small enough UPS out there to use as a battery. The cable mentioned above is a nice idea.

What about doing a little modding and use this?



Large 12" LCD, 4 hours+ power supply, keyboard, mouse device and AirPort Extreme built-in for about "$400". :D


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Dug

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Originally posted by: Supa
Originally posted by: Childs
Originally posted by: Ulukia
What I ment was an LCD that could be attached to the top, like the consoles. The keyboard and mouse, on the other hand, would have to be seperate. Heck, maybe there is a small enough UPS out there to use as a battery. The cable mentioned above is a nice idea.

What about doing a little modding and use this?



Large 12" LCD, 4 hours+ power supply, keyboard, mouse device and AirPort Extreme built-in for about "$400". :D


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I love that you have to add it to your cart to see the 1cent savings. $1000.00 retail. On sale for $999.99. LOL
 

Childs

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Originally posted by: Supa
Originally posted by: Childs
Originally posted by: Ulukia
What I ment was an LCD that could be attached to the top, like the consoles. The keyboard and mouse, on the other hand, would have to be seperate. Heck, maybe there is a small enough UPS out there to use as a battery. The cable mentioned above is a nice idea.

What about doing a little modding and use this?



Large 12" LCD, 4 hours+ power supply, keyboard, mouse device and AirPort Extreme built-in for about "$400". :D


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bah...not really the same thing! Besides, it would still cost more! :p
 

batmanuel

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Originally posted by: Dennis Travis
USB. Any USB keyboard or Mouse will work. There are adapters for PS2 to USB.

I am running a Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard and Logitech TrackMan Marble on one of my Mac G4's and they both work GREAT. With either Logitech or Microsoft Keyboards there are drivers on the respective sites that remap the keys and make the Alt and Windows keys into the Apple and Option so you have full Mac functionality.

On my other G4 am using a MacAlly Aftermarket Mac Keyboard that has a million function keys and another Logitech Trackman Marble. The Mac and most Mac aftermarket Keyboards have a 2 Port USB Hub so that gives you an extra port even after you plug in the mouse. There are some PC USB keyboards with USB Hubs also. Thin Lizzy has repeated this over and over. You can use any USB Keyboard or Mouse but with the Apple or Apple clone keyboards you usually get a USB Hub which will help. I can think of so many PC's that are not old at all with just 2 USB ports. You buy an Powered USB Hub and everything will work.


My MX Duo actually has "alt" and "option" printed below the Windows logo on the start menu key and an Apple logo and that little clover symbol on printed the Alt key, so that is one Keyboard/Mouse combo that completely Mac ready out of the box. The MX Duo's receiver only takes up one USB port as well. Newegg often has it on special for around $55 shipped, which is a steal considering that the included MX 700 mouse is almost worth that much by itself. IMHO, the logitech keyboards and mice are so much nicer than the Apple ones (assuming that you aren't a southpaw that can't use a MX 700 due to its shape), that if I bought a iMac or PowerMac I would wind up discarding the mouse and keyboard anyway. Which makes the Mac Mini a very attractive machine if I want to dip my toes into the Mac world.

As far as running Photoshop or Final Cut on this machine, you could potentially keep the images and video you are working with on a fast external Firewire hard drive and just use the onboard drive for the OS and program files. With enough RAM it might be reasonably snappy once the program loaded itself into memory. It would be far from elegant, with all the wires and power bricks laying about, but it might be a nice option for students on a tight budget that need to use Final Cut but can't swing the cost of PowerMac and don't want to go the iMac route because they already have a decent monitor.
 

halfadder

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Originally posted by: batmanuel
if I bought a iMac or PowerMac I would wind up discarding the mouse and keyboard anyway.
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As far as running Photoshop or Final Cut on this machine, you could potentially keep the images and video you are working with on a fast external Firewire hard drive and just use the onboard drive for the OS and program files.
Unused Apple keyboards and mice still fetch a pretty good price on ebay. That would probably more than pay for a nice wireless set to replace the OEM board and mouse. Kind of a pain though, but it would boost your feedback rating, so it's probably a wash.

I have a PowerBook with a 1.25 GHz G4 and a 4200 RPM drive, so it's really close to what the Mac Mini has. I mainly use my PC for Photoshop, but on the PowerBook it is still really fast for the little 5 Mpixel digital photos I take with my camera. I don't think the hard drive would be much of a bottleneck there. And for video I only have iMovie and Final Cut Express, not Final Cut Pro. Jogging/Shuttling thru video is obviously slower due to the slower seek time of the little notebook drive, but actualy doing editing isn't bad at all. Each stream of consumer/prosumer DV is only 25 Mbit, or 3.125 MB/sec, it's not at all taxing on the drive. Even the cheapest slowest 2.5" drives can do at least 20 MB/sec these days.

As for an external drive, that's an excellent option that I have seen used by many pros as well (since it's faster to unplug and move an external drive than it is to transmit a 200 GB file over even a gigabit network).
 

imported_kouch

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well I think it looks very nice like most apple products. However, I don't see the big argument about it being "small." Yeah it is small, but still if it is not going to be portable than a couple of inches here and there is a non issue. I for one want computing power over few cubic inches of airspace in my room. The computing power is completely atrocious for anything besides checking e-mail and surfing the net. Would make a nice gift for grandparents or little cousins but aside from that, no thank you.

 

halfadder

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Originally posted by: kouch
well I think it looks very nice like most apple products. However, I don't see the big argument about it being "small." Yeah it is small, but still if it is not going to be portable than a couple of inches here and there is a non issue. I for one want computing power over few cubic inches of airspace in my room. The computing power is completely atrocious for anything besides checking e-mail and surfing the net. Would make a nice gift for grandparents or little cousins but aside from that, no thank you.
For most of us, space is not an issue. The Mac Mini isn't targeted towards the average Anandtech reader. We tend to have at least two or three ATX cases of PC goodness! :)

I do have one Mac, though, it's a 15" PowerBook with a 1.25 GHz G4 and a Radeon 9600. The CPU is basiclly the same as that in the Mini, and the FSB is the same (167 MHz). While I don't do much gaming on it, I have been using it more and more for photos (iPhoto and Photoshop CS) and home videos (iMovie and iDVD, sometimes Final Cut Express). Photoshop is just as fast as can be, but granted I only work with small 5Mpixel photos from my camera. Video editing with material sourced from a Mini DV camcorder is also as fast as I'd expect from any modern computer. My only performance complaint is DV -> MPEG2 transcoding time when I go to burn a DVD. That step takes a long time, so long that I usually leave the room or go do something else while it's in that stage.

The only other performance complaint it boot time. From the time I press the power button to the time I can login is about 50 seconds. The oddest part of this is that 25 of those seconds are for POST. The second 25 seconds is actual booting (if I put my ear on the wrist wrest area of the PowerBook I can hear the hard drive during that part of boot). I don't know why Apple thinks they have to do so many POSTests, they include a hardware diagnostics boot disc with each machine. At least the PowerBook wakes up from sleep/suspend very quickly. It's ready to go in less than a second, not much longer than the time it takes to open up the lid.
 

S0Y73NTGR33N

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If you could hook it up to a car adapter and a flip down car monitor then install it in the center console that would be THE BEST EVER!

mmmmm.... Multiplayer gaming using satellite connections while on a road trip... possible?... soon I think


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