Apple pulling ALL google voice apps from appstore

[teiresias]

But if the GV app was rejected because it interferes with how AT&T and/or Apple feel you should be using your "pipe" then that falls right under the category in which you want the FCC to get involved.

 

[Hacp]

FCC should take all of AT&T's frequencies and make them public domain. Lets see how AT&T feels about that. The current cell phone business in the US is not a free market one. You have a limited amount of resources and the ones who have the most money and government contacts get the frequencies, not the ones who make the most efficient use of the frequencies.

 

[Pliablemoose]

The big picture is that we need the cell carriers to become "dumb pipes" and compete on price alone, leaving the consumer the hell alone. Google is our friend at the moment in attempting to bring about this disruptive change.

I can see a restricted app store that carries adult apps, but that's all the carriers/manufacturers/app/market managers should do except for checking the app & ensuring it doesn't screw up your phone or the network.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Google is our friend at the moment in attempting to bring about this disruptive change.

I really wish people would stop considering Google a "friend".

Google is not anyone's friend, they just haven't stabbed too many people in the back yet. Remember: their method of generating revenue is based on compiling information about you and then using that information to sell advertising space. At least with AT&T you're the (poorly treated) customer - with Google you're the product being sold. Google can always find new ways to abuse your profile.

Your email, your contacts, your text messages, the people you've called and received calls from - all of that is logged and can all be used against you. They just haven't done so yet.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Google is our friend at the moment in attempting to bring about this disruptive change.

I really wish people would stop considering Google a "friend".

Google is not anyone's friend, they just haven't stabbed too many people in the back yet. Remember: their method of generating revenue is based on compiling information about you and then using that information to sell advertising space. At least with AT&T you're the (poorly treated) customer - with Google you're the product being sold. Google can always find new ways to abuse your profile.

Your email, your contacts, your text messages, the people you've called and received calls from - all of that is logged and can all be used against you. They just haven't done so yet.

I have absolutely no illusions about Google.

Not sure how they'll use that data against me though.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Google is our friend at the moment in attempting to bring about this disruptive change.

I really wish people would stop considering Google a "friend".

Google is not anyone's friend, they just haven't stabbed too many people in the back yet. Remember: their method of generating revenue is based on compiling information about you and then using that information to sell advertising space. At least with AT&T you're the (poorly treated) customer - with Google you're the product being sold. Google can always find new ways to abuse your profile.

Your email, your contacts, your text messages, the people you've called and received calls from - all of that is logged and can all be used against you. They just haven't done so yet.

I have absolutely no illusions about Google.

Not sure how they'll use that data against me though.

This. They may be able to use it for their own benefit, but in what way would it be beneficial to them to use it in a way that would be detrimental to me?

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Google is our friend at the moment in attempting to bring about this disruptive change.

I really wish people would stop considering Google a "friend".

Google is not anyone's friend, they just haven't stabbed too many people in the back yet. Remember: their method of generating revenue is based on compiling information about you and then using that information to sell advertising space. At least with AT&T you're the (poorly treated) customer - with Google you're the product being sold. Google can always find new ways to abuse your profile.

Your email, your contacts, your text messages, the people you've called and received calls from - all of that is logged and can all be used against you. They just haven't done so yet.

I have absolutely no illusions about Google.

Not sure how they'll use that data against me though.

This. They may be able to use it for their own benefit, but in what way would it be beneficial to them to use it in a way that would be detrimental to me?

Would you be concerned if your entire call/SMS/mail history was available on the internet? If the answer is yes, then there's someone you don't want having it, and the mere existence of that person and a collection of your data means it can be used against you.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: mugs

This. They may be able to use it for their own benefit, but in what way would it be beneficial to them to use it in a way that would be detrimental to me?

Would you be concerned if your entire call/SMS/mail history was available on the internet? If the answer is yes, then there's someone you don't want having it, and the mere existence of that person and a collection of your data means it can be used against you.

And in what way would it be beneficial to Google to do that?

If you're concerned about that happening to you, you need to stop using phones and the Internet altogether. You can't send an e-mail, make a phone call or send a text message without someone else handling it.

 

[sourceninja]

The stuff I don't care about people having, I send plain text. For everything else, there's encryption. Google is free to store my encrypted emails all they want.

 

[Parasitic]

Originally posted by: teiresias

Originally posted by: Parasitic
It's taking away from AT&T potential revenue in that, instead of using 1500 minutes on your primary iPhone line, you might be splitting it 5-way to 300 minutes among your iPhone, landline, work, wife's cell, kid's cell, etc. etc.

That's like saying AT&T can stipulate in their contract that I'm not permitted to have a landline in my home provided by Verizon because that cuts into the amount of minutes I'd use on their plan. It's hardly a rationale any reasonable person would suggest.

All of this talk from other people about "voting with your wallet" is pretty ridiculous given the penalties for breaking a cellular contract. The FCC has jurisdiction over these sorts of matters, so I really don't see anything wrong with them getting involved

I'm not saying that what AT&T is doing is reasonable, if you bothered to read my next line after what you quoted. We all know that AT&T's management seems to be missing brains most of the time.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: mugs

This. They may be able to use it for their own benefit, but in what way would it be beneficial to them to use it in a way that would be detrimental to me?

Would you be concerned if your entire call/SMS/mail history was available on the internet? If the answer is yes, then there's someone you don't want having it, and the mere existence of that person and a collection of your data means it can be used against you.

And in what way would it be beneficial to Google to do that?

If you're concerned about that happening to you, you need to stop using phones and the Internet altogether. You can't send an e-mail, make a phone call or send a text message without someone else handling it.

True, true. But someone compiling a master database on you certainly makes it a lot easier to abuse.

As for why it would be beneficial: just wait until they stop growing. They'll have to do something to keep their tidy profits coming.:Q

 

[Tegeril]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: mugs

This. They may be able to use it for their own benefit, but in what way would it be beneficial to them to use it in a way that would be detrimental to me?

Would you be concerned if your entire call/SMS/mail history was available on the internet? If the answer is yes, then there's someone you don't want having it, and the mere existence of that person and a collection of your data means it can be used against you.

And in what way would it be beneficial to Google to do that?

If you're concerned about that happening to you, you need to stop using phones and the Internet altogether. You can't send an e-mail, make a phone call or send a text message without someone else handling it.

True, true. But someone compiling a master database on you certainly makes it a lot easier to abuse.

As for why it would be beneficial: just wait until they stop growing. They'll have to do something to keep their tidy profits coming.:Q

Really. What are they going to do with my information. Please tell me.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: Tegeril

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: mugs

This. They may be able to use it for their own benefit, but in what way would it be beneficial to them to use it in a way that would be detrimental to me?

Would you be concerned if your entire call/SMS/mail history was available on the internet? If the answer is yes, then there's someone you don't want having it, and the mere existence of that person and a collection of your data means it can be used against you.

And in what way would it be beneficial to Google to do that?

If you're concerned about that happening to you, you need to stop using phones and the Internet altogether. You can't send an e-mail, make a phone call or send a text message without someone else handling it.

True, true. But someone compiling a master database on you certainly makes it a lot easier to abuse.

As for why it would be beneficial: just wait until they stop growing. They'll have to do something to keep their tidy profits coming.:Q

Really. What are they going to do with my information. Please tell me.

They're going to sell it to the ruskies!

 

[Goosemaster]

1. you people need to calm down

2. ATT has a HUGE incentive to not only prioritize but defend it's voice/texting business. this means prohibiting competing technologies if they can get away from it.
In the end we are talking about high-prioritized UDP packets vs TCP packets on their network (with infrastructure-requirement based exceptions) but as a business they'll try anything to keep them highly differentiated

3. Apple's main incentive is not to get their phones kicked off of ATT's and any other carriers networks. I doubt any carrier interested in short term profits wants to ruin their voice business by allowing VoIP to roam free on their cell networks.

While having Apple as the evil culprit directly behind this culling is possible I find it hardly unlikely. The fact is that they care about the user experience of their tangle product while ATT cares about providing the mechanism that makes that possible. Introducing VoIP onto ATT's cellphone networks without consultation is an act of aggression as it undercuts their entire per-minute business world wide. As for apple, I doubt they would scoff at integrating VoIP contacts with regular cellular ones.

The fact is that ATT is a connectivity business on which Apple's current iphone business depends on in the US. I seriously doubt that they would allow the deployment of a mechanism that would undercut their high-end voice plans completely without some resistance. One day I hope that VoIP is deployed [hell I wish that were yesterday] but the fact remains that our carriers and their infrastructure are what impedes us from taking the next step.

Yell at Apple if you have a problem with their phone. Yell at Apple all day if you want; just don't blame them for what is essentially an ATT problem.

 

[sourceninja]

Google Voice is not voip. No voice is sent over IP, TCP, UDP, Or any other combo of letters used in describing data networks.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Google Voice is not voip. No voice is sent over IP, TCP, UDP, Or any other combo of letters used in describing data networks.

Not yet. It's entire purpose is to provide access and the command and control to Google's VoIP network via the cell phone network. Just one puzzle piece left.

I am trying to rationalize AT&T; give me a break

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Google Voice is not voip. No voice is sent over IP, TCP, UDP, Or any other combo of letters used in describing data networks.

It's half-VoIP. Since it has the ability to route international calls over VoIP, it denies AT&T international calling rates. As far as they're concerned there's no difference between it and any true VoIP application since both go around AT&T. AT&T is going to do whatever they can to protect their revenue stream.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: James Bond
God this fucking pisses me off.

AT&T can seriously suck my balls. I can't WAIT for the second they aren't exclusive, they can go fuck themselves.

T-Mobile has SHITTY service, and Verizon cripples their phones worse than AT&T ever could. *IF* anyone else starts offering the iPhone once AT&T's contract is up. I'm betting it will be Verizon. And if you think AT&T is bad, wait until you see the Verizon iPhone. I wouldn't be surprised if any useful app that does anything Verizon wants to charge directly for gets pulled.

AT&T is no worse than any other company.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Google Voice is not voip. No voice is sent over IP, TCP, UDP, Or any other combo of letters used in describing data networks.

It's half-VoIP. Since it has the ability to route international calls over VoIP, it denies AT&T international calling rates. As far as they're concerned there's no difference between it and any true VoIP application since both go around AT&T. AT&T is going to do whatever they can to protect their revenue stream.

And the best part is, even without an app it still works and is still easy to use. The app just made it easier to check your voice mail/sms.

 

[Nothinman]

And if you think AT&T is bad, wait until you see the Verizon iPhone. I wouldn't be surprised if any useful app that does anything Verizon wants to charge directly for gets pulled.

If we were talking about "normal" phones like the Motorolas I used to have with Verizon I'd probably agree, but I got a Storm back in December and it's not crippled in any way. I think even Verizon is smart enough to realize that they can't get away with that crap with phones like these.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: James Bond
God this fucking pisses me off.

AT&T can seriously suck my balls. I can't WAIT for the second they aren't exclusive, they can go fuck themselves.

T-Mobile has SHITTY service, and Verizon cripples their phones worse than AT&T ever could. *IF* anyone else starts offering the iPhone once AT&T's contract is up. I'm betting it will be Verizon. And if you think AT&T is bad, wait until you see the Verizon iPhone. I wouldn't be surprised if any useful app that does anything Verizon wants to charge directly for gets pulled.

AT&T is no worse than any other company.

Yeah, Verizon does suck in that regard. But I don't know if they're that bad with smartphones. I don't think they cripple their Blackberries.

 

[torpid]

Sure, it's annoying, but you can still use google voice on your iPhone by going to google.com/voice - they have a mobile version.

 

[Need4Speed]

Originally posted by: torpid
Sure, it's annoying, but you can still use google voice on your iPhone by going to google.com/voice - they have a mobile version.

but then there'd be nothing to complain about ...

 

[Nothinman]

but then there'd be nothing to complain about ...

Of course there would, Apple caved to AT&T and removed a previously approved app from the app store for no good reason. If they're willing to bow to AT&T on this then what else are they willing to do for them?

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: James Bond
God this fucking pisses me off.

AT&T can seriously suck my balls. I can't WAIT for the second they aren't exclusive, they can go fuck themselves.

T-Mobile has SHITTY service, and Verizon cripples their phones worse than AT&T ever could. *IF* anyone else starts offering the iPhone once AT&T's contract is up. I'm betting it will be Verizon. And if you think AT&T is bad, wait until you see the Verizon iPhone. I wouldn't be surprised if any useful app that does anything Verizon wants to charge directly for gets pulled.

AT&T is no worse than any other company.

Yeah, Verizon does suck in that regard. But I don't know if they're that bad with smartphones. I don't think they cripple their Blackberries.

I had a Motorola Q and Bluetooth file transfer was disabled thanks to them. I not talking phone to phone, I mean I couldn't xfer files to my my phone thru bluetooth. They might have changed as this was years ago. But every Verizon phone I had was crippled badly.