Apple iPhone 2.0, $199 8GB, $299 16GB

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Deeko

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Wow, nice. Adds the features it was lacking and is available at a decent price point. I'm impressed...although I still don't like the keyboard. But that's just me.
 

josh0099

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Eh so they drop the price but raise the internet package to $30...So really it cost more than the old one...$299 + $240 ($10more*24months)
 

Queasy

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Jobs said they lost a lot of people to the original iPhone because of the price. I wonder how many they've lost because they don't want to switch to AT&T?
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: josh0099
Eh so they drop the price but raise the internet package to $30...So really it cost more than the old one...$299 + $240 ($10more*24months)

True, but your pricing is incorrect.

The 8gb iPod was $399, the 16gb was $499

Now the 8gb iPod is $199 + $240 (over 24 months), and the 16gb is $299 + $240 (over 24 months)

 

onlyCOpunk

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The cheap price is because of a subsidy. You'll still have to pay full retail at the store, but then get a rebate check.
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
The cheap price is because of a subsidy. You'll still have to pay full retail at the store, but then get a rebate check.

You sure about that? I've been heard the exact opposite from every source i've read. Its $199 + tax out the door but your required to sign the contract on the spot, not take it home and do it yourself.
 

herm0016

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i liked the metal back better, i cant believe nobody has mentioned this. plastic ftl...
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
The cheap price is because of a subsidy. You'll still have to pay full retail at the store, but then get a rebate check.

You sure about that? I've been heard the exact opposite from every source i've read. Its $199 + tax out the door but your required to sign the contract on the spot, not take it home and do it yourself.

Exactly. Subsidy != rebate. It'll be $199 on the spot after you sign your life away for 2 years.

Im really excited about it, but I think Im gonna wait a few after it releases to see how some of the functionality works. I'm most interested in the GPS, but theres not enough info out about it to know whether or not itll actually be legitimately useful while driving. From the looks of it, it doesnt even speak out turn by turn directions.

Naturally itll only be a matter of time before there are proper GPS options, but how that will integrate with the phone and ipod portions is also yet to be seen. With the iphone unable to run background apps, that might not work out too well....Its going to be a bit ridiculous if I cant listen to music or take a call while I'm navigating...but I've got my fingers crossed.
 

pm

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Originally posted by: vexingv
no one has spoken about the issue that it is Assisted-GPS. can this truly supplant a dedicated (eg. Tomtom, Garmin) unit? and will one be required to have a wireless data plan to use this function?

Assisted GPS is an improvement on GPS - it's an enhancement of "regular" GPS. And it does require a wireless data plan to use it, but you don't need a wireless data plan to access the 3G iPhone's GPS when A-GPS isn't available (unless they limit it somehow to restrict this).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

newsflash: iphone wireless internet plan now to be $30
Plus the required voice plan. It's $70 total...

I disagree, they added 3g and GPS and dropped the price in HALF.
They dropped it in half, but are requiring $10 more per month to use it... at the end of the day, you'll end up paying more than for the regular iPhone ($199 + 24 months * $10/month = $440 which is more than $399). Yes, it's faster, but normally AT&T hasn't been charging extra for 3G for other 3G phones on their network. Apple simply did some sleight of hand - they dropped the price in half and then made it up on the required 2 year contract by increasing the service fee.

I wonder how difficult it would be to unlock and keep unlocked.
It's most definitely going to be harder to unlock than the original iPhone. The hacks started when George Hotz took an iPhone apart, figured out the JTAG port location and then went in through the JTAG backdoor that all chips have ( JTAG explained: http://www.inaccessnetworks.co...-intro/jtag-intro.html, Geohotz's Blog with the details of the original hack in mid-Aug. 2007: http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com...orking-using-jtag.html ). This is really cool, but usually on chips requiring security, JTAG ports are password protected - they require an unlock key. It's unusual that something like a baseband CPU wouldn't have a JTAG password. So, in my humble opinion, there is no possible conceivable way that Infineon forgot to put an unlock key into the new iPhone's baseband chip. So this time, the JTAG hack is highly unlikely to happen. At CPU companies, only a select few engineers know the fairly long and difficult to crack JTAG key for a shipping product, and one would think that Infineon is going to be very careful about who gets to know it.

Without the JTAG hack, the unlock will be harder. People are clever at reverse-engineering and hacking, but I would guess it will be many months before the 3G iPhone is unlocked, and that it will take longer than last time (which was just a couple of months). Also there are other cool touchscreen phones on the horizon (Android-based models, the Garmin NuviPhone, the Blackberry Thunder, etc.) which will reduce the need to go through all the trouble of trying to reverse engineer the 3G iPhone - why spent lots and lots of hours unlocking an iPhone when you could buy an unlocked Android model instead. Besides, in the US, T-Mobile will use (is using) 1.7GHz AWS with their 3G solution that they are barely into rolling out. AWS is incompatible the 3G chipset in the 3G iPhone. So there's less incentive in the US to unlock it.
 

QueBert

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they didn't add A2DP? daamit that's one of the things I wanted to see, I refuse to sign a contract but if I can buy this @ full price and use it pre-paid like the 1.0 iPhone's I'll be all over it. Anyone know if they added A2DP? Just because I'm not seeing it on the press release doesn't mean it might not be there I guess.
 

UNCjigga

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Originally posted by: BD2003
Man, I am so sold. I was waiting for proper GPS, and even though it seems like the mapping software might not be up to snuff, I have read that tomtom is already ready to rock.

The lower pricing is just icing on the cake. With this one device, I can replace my ipod, my gps and my cell phone, and that will more than cover the cost of the phone itself.

SWEET!

All thats needed now is a proper car dock that can power it and output that audio...hopefully in landscape.
Wait until the 3rd-party navigation software is available through App Store. Imagine Telenav with OpenGL-accelerated 3D mapping.

 

QueBert

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I watched the keynote, I'm impressed with some of the Apps they demoed, the Band one looks very cool, gaming on it looks like will ROCK. Maybe even PSP level graphics. 3G's great, GPS and flush headphone jack both are great. Mobile Me looks incredibly cool, even if I don't get an iPhone I see myself maybe signing up for this. I was disappointed no 32 gig model was announced, with the price drop, you'd think a 32 gig one would perfect. They didn't mention A2DP, one of things I think the original should have had, I'm hoping they added it and just didn't bring it up in the keynote. I'm guessing with both models being cheaper then the Touch's AT&T will require a contract when bought. I wonder what the full retail will be. I use Go Phone now and would pick this up for it. $299 for the 16 gig is damn impressive even when a contract needed.

I loved when dude was talking about the Mobile Me and said "ActiveStink, I mean sync" I've had so many problems with Active Sync and my WM5 device so that comment was perfect :) Also when they brought up WM and the task manager I agree. Found myself almost daily going to mine on my Q and ending processes to make the damn thing run at a decent speed. The Push technology Apple has implimented where you can get notifications even when the program isn't running is damn cool.

I don't care about lack of a real keyboard, I think this looks to be the absolute best phone, I don't see anything better coming out from anyone else this year. I think after watching this Steve has sold me getting one.

 

WhiteKnight

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I wonder if there's any way for existing iPhone customers to get the new hardware but keep the old rate plan and thus not incur a 2 year renewal or the new $30/month data rate.
 

nace186

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Originally posted by: WhiteKnight
I wonder if there's any way for existing iPhone customers to get the new hardware but keep the old rate plan and thus not incur a 2 year renewal or the new $30/month data rate.

Hmm, I think you can deactivate the $30 data plan online immediately after you sign up.
 

2Xtreme21

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Originally posted by: WhiteKnight
I wonder if there's any way for existing iPhone customers to get the new hardware but keep the old rate plan and thus not incur a 2 year renewal or the new $30/month data rate.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but then 3g service would not be activated on your account.

I remember reading somewhere that existing iphone customers will be able to replace the contract with the $30/month rather than signing a brand new one.

Also, not to throw more gas on the fire, but it's rumored that $30/month will not include texting (which will be AT&T's standard $5/month more).

I sold my iPhone to a guy in France yesterday and I'm sort of regretting it.

Originally posted by: Sawyer
So what is the cheapest monthly bill one could get away with with unlimited data?

$70/month.
 

onlyCOpunk

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The whole 3G browsing doesn't really excite me. I find myself frustrated with browsing on the tiny screen after about 5 minutes, not to mention there's no flash support yet which cuts out a lot of webpages. And really how much youtube can one stomach?

Now if the iPhone allowed tethering that would be worth the extra $30 a month for mobile internet on top of what I already pay for Broadband.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
The whole 3G browsing doesn't really excite me. I find myself frustrated with browsing on the tiny screen after about 5 minutes, not to mention there's no flash support yet which cuts out a lot of webpages. And really how much youtube can one stomach?

Now if the iPhone allowed tethering that would be worth the extra $30 a month for mobile internet on top of what I already pay for Broadband.

I actually find browsing the web on my iPod touch to be quite enjoyable.
 

pm

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Now if the iPhone allowed tethering that would be worth the extra $30 a month for mobile internet on top of what I already pay for Broadband.
You can tether an unlocked original iPhone.

And, like NFS, I don't have any problem with browsing on my iPhone... I obviously prefer a computer with a high-speed broadband connection, but I don't have a problem with surfing sites on an iPhone when I'm out and about.

The lack of Flash is annoying though... I miss Pandora.
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: pm
Now if the iPhone allowed tethering that would be worth the extra $30 a month for mobile internet on top of what I already pay for Broadband.
You can tether an unlocked original iPhone.

And, like NFS, I don't have any problem with browsing on my iPhone... I obviously prefer a computer with a high-speed broadband connection, but I don't have a problem with surfing sites on an iPhone when I'm out and about.

The lack of Flash is annoying though... I miss Pandora.

I think you mean Jailbroken, not unlocked.
 

pm

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Yeah, jailbroken, not unlocked. Thanks for the correction.