I could image a big problem if people clap for other students and end up preventing them from getting diplomas... hell if someone wanted to create some trouble they could clap for whoever they dislike etc. so they wouldnt get thier diploma....
Broken, it isn't about the piece of paper. This is about the feeling of accomplishment and the sense of being proud after 4 years of hard work. That is far more important than some stupid piece of paper. I understand that it is just HS and that it doesn't mean much. I went to HS too and my diploma went straight into my sock drawer the moment I got home from the ceremony. I don't even remember what it looks like. However, I will always remember how proud I felt walking across the stage and how it made me feel when my parents gave me applause. The students may get their diploma's in the mail, but you can't mail them that moment in their life 6 weeks later.
Also, just because the schools cannot punish the parents doesn't mean they should resort to punishing someone else just because they have power over them. What if the student told their parents that they cannot applaud during the ceremony? What if the student (god forbid) trusted their parents to listen to their warning and they did it anyways? Does that make it the student's fault? Come on now. Where is your sense of fair justice?
Also, just because the schools cannot punish the parents doesn't mean they should resort to punishing someone else just because they have power over them. What if the student told their parents that they cannot applaud during the ceremony? What if the student (god forbid) trusted their parents to listen to their warning and they did it anyways? Does that make it the student's fault? Come on now. Where is your sense of fair justice?
sourceninja
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I would of clapped for every single student and recruited as many people as possible to do it with me. Problem solved.
BrokenVisage
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I didn't say it was fair and staunchly stately that I didn't agree with much of the aftermath either, but I do agree with the rule and believe it should have been followed. If your family decided, after say ~50 students were already called up and had their families sit there being proud of their accomplishment quietly, why would you be an ass when it's finally your kids turn and decide that even though the family and friends of those first ~50 kids didn't clap or celebrate, you have an obligation to rebel and show your emotion by clapping and cheering even though nobody else did? What makes your kid more special then those others whose group followed the simple rule of waiting until the end to celebrate? If enough families "get away" with breaking the rule, then how can you control it? Eventually, NO ONE will hold their applause until the end, that's just how monkey-see, monkey-do people are in general.
I understand this is all about the kids graduating, it's their day and they should feel proud for the accomplishment and be able to walk out there with their friends, family, and former classmates watching with a sense of pride. But hear me out on this, wouldn't halting the constant cascades of clapping, cheering, stomping, yelling, etc. help ensure that when they do walk across that stage to receive their degree, that they can appreciate the fact that they're the center of attention, they will hear their name being called clearly and not have to care about who's cheering for them or feel bad about not getting as much celebrating as other kids or their friends, because believe me, lots of people would feel bad about not having much applause when their name is called, why unintentionally single them out by letting the clapping happen after each kid?
The punishment doesn't really fit the crime, I understand that, but by not punishing the families you open the door for people to neglect the rule in the future. And like I said, you can't really punish or fine the families, and the kid needs to have a certain amount of trust that the people who they invite will behave throughout the ceremony. If any of these cases involved the kid actually mentioning to their group to be quiet until the end, rather then just handing them a letter and telling them to sign it, then the student should be more pissed at them and not the institution.
dainthomas
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So instead of getting to celebrate years of hard work, the busybody administrators think students instead deserve a lesson in how bad life sucks? Why don't they just say so?
This ill-conceived rule will be tossed in favor of ejecting people making excessive noise (air horns etc.), unless the administrators enjoy the public derision that seems to be the only result of their actions.
Ya Broken, I agree with most of that.
If I were the parent and 50 other students walked the stage without any other parent applauding then I wouldn't applaud either. I am mostly upset with the schools making a rule that strict in the first place. Please keep in mind my previous statement about how the line needs to be drawn somewhere though. I feel that a degree of control should be enforced as long as the kids aren't effected. Clapping and a few words being yelled in excitement for 5-10 seconds per kid isn't bad. That's what happened at my graduation at least. One parent brought an air horn though and I felt that was a bit over the top, but it still didn't bother me much.
This is the only part I don't agree with. Not because your motive isn't sound. This sort of logic normally works. I just don't think it will make a difference from one year to the next because parents just don't talk to each other enough for this kind of thing to really take effect. That depends on the town though. I guess it may work in smaller towns.
If I were the parent and 50 other students walked the stage without any other parent applauding then I wouldn't applaud either. I am mostly upset with the schools making a rule that strict in the first place. Please keep in mind my previous statement about how the line needs to be drawn somewhere though. I feel that a degree of control should be enforced as long as the kids aren't effected. Clapping and a few words being yelled in excitement for 5-10 seconds per kid isn't bad. That's what happened at my graduation at least. One parent brought an air horn though and I felt that was a bit over the top, but it still didn't bother me much.
This is the only part I don't agree with. Not because your motive isn't sound. This sort of logic normally works. I just don't think it will make a difference from one year to the next because parents just don't talk to each other enough for this kind of thing to really take effect. That depends on the town though. I guess it may work in smaller towns.
Did you ever graduate before from any school? You don't have to attend graduation if you don't want to. It's optional, as a matter of fact if you don't go, they mail you your diplomat.
waggy
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what lesson? really what lesson?
they di nothing wrong and got punished. i guess they learned that the school administration makes retarded rules that are potentially against the law.
the school in Chicago that did this has so much negative publicity they refused it. They also had the school admit saying they did not endorse the rule and it was wrong.
this was a bad decision.
The rules regarding high school graduation ceremonies have become asinine. The year before I graduated, the students had their ceremony outside. Beach balls were thrown about. So the next year, for my ceremony, we had to be indoors, in an un-airconditioned gym. Everyone was miserable. Next year, new superintendent, outside ceremony. Beachballs, streaker, etc. No punishments.
Graduation is a celebration of accomplishment. Let the kids enjoy it. So what if that celebration adds an hour to the ceremony? It's a once-in-a-lifetime event, LET THE KIDS ENJOY IT.
Graduation is a celebration of accomplishment. Let the kids enjoy it. So what if that celebration adds an hour to the ceremony? It's a once-in-a-lifetime event, LET THE KIDS ENJOY IT.
There is no way to enforce this rule. Anyone can applaud anyone, and the school's decision to assume that its your family member is just wrong. Unless they had camera footage and sound, some jerk might have applauded at that time to make that person not get their diploma.
This is just retarded!
LOL
Did you even graduate high school? Well, everyone does. What about college?
Seriously though, are you even thinking what you are writing? You cant possibly (in your right state of mind) believe what you are saying.
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Maybe we're all just hillbillies down here, but EVERY graduation I've ever attended has been noisy and...something else...I can't think of it...oh yes, JOYFUL. Everyone cheered for their family and friends and when it was all over everyone felt good.
Sitting silently with hands folded in your lap while your children graduate from mandatory education and officially take control of their own lives as adults...what nonsense. I can think of no better time for joyous applause for each and every one, and the applause should be multiplied times one hundred (more, if there are more families present) at the conclusion of the ceremony.
Damn your rules. This is a human event. If anyone should be penalized during such an event it should be those of you who betray your humanity by holding your tongues and clasping your hands.
Sitting silently with hands folded in your lap while your children graduate from mandatory education and officially take control of their own lives as adults...what nonsense. I can think of no better time for joyous applause for each and every one, and the applause should be multiplied times one hundred (more, if there are more families present) at the conclusion of the ceremony.
Damn your rules. This is a human event. If anyone should be penalized during such an event it should be those of you who betray your humanity by holding your tongues and clasping your hands.
Do you really expect parents to sit quietly while their child is being honored. That is the silliest dumbest thing I have ever heard of - asking people not to cheer for their children at a public event. Schools these days are trying too hard to teach kids to be quiet and submissive, to be obedient. You'd think they were being prepared to live in in a society where the people are oppressed. Hmm, maybe they are, if conservatives ever get their way.
Honestly I cant believe anyone agrees with this concept. If so they're just emotionally dead. I realise graduations are boring as hell, but imagine not getting that one 2 minute window to cheer for the person you're there to celebrate? It'd be a worthless ceremony to attend. The graduate wouldnt even know family was there if noone cheered!
No matter what graduations are long and painful. Let families have their fun.
/end thread
p.s. mosh is heartless.
If applause isn't permitted they should just quit doing the ceremony altogether. Uptight wankers.
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