AgaBoogaBoo
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dainthomas
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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Yeah, when I graduated, you just kept walking across and applaud wouldn't really slow anything down. I guess I just see it as, you spent 4 years at the damn place, you've already finished all the classes and everything, but they're still being uptight, how the hell does that happen? It's like being in an office for 4 years and still having to clock in at the exact minute you're supposed to be there, leave at the exact time, get a specific lunch time, etc. I don't understand that and why school's would be strict about this.Originally posted by: Aikouka
"Mom, you have to sign this or I can't go to graduation" "Okay, let me sign that" *signs*
There's your typical scenario.
Also, I don't see how people applauding someone really makes graduation longer... at my high school and college graduation, there was applause while someone walked up to get their diploma... they would've walked the same whether or not someone clapped or said "WE LOVE YOU!!" Someone doing some weird routine would slow people down, but I never saw someone do something like that.
I'm pretty liberal as long as people do what they're supposed to I guess... I don't want someone watching over my back all the time and I won't do the same for others. By the last year of HS, the people at attendance knew me as a regular and just marked me down as an excused absence even if no one called in or anything
It was generally understood that I had a dentist's appointment pretty often
I enjoyed the end of HS, it was a great time, and don't agree with being strict at graduation. I guess it depends on how involved the students are with things going on - at my HS, there was a lot of involvement, most of us had put in a good bit effort outside of class on something or the other, and just wanted to enjoy the end.
HS'ers are kids, not jailmates or something. Why treat them like they were just released from prison by making them sign a contract saying that they'll keep quiet at graduation?
You're missing the point and wrongfully assessing this particular issue.
There is no point. Applause does not make graduations take longer. All this is moot anyway since the kids ended up getting their diplomas due to the negative feedback the HS received. The rule will almost certainly be modified or scrapped.
Come to think of it, the time to finish the ceremony would have been the same whether all the parents clapped or not at my HS because of how the routine was setup too. In any case, I hope that this story serves as an example for other high schools that want to enforce these rules. I am sure all of them have more pressing issues to worry about during graduation than parent's applauding anyways.
moshquerade
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Nothing is wrong with applauding, they just asked to keep it at the end. We did this for our awards ceremony in HS. Each group of awards were given out to students who walked up individually to accept them, and people could applaud at the end of the whole group. It saved a lot of time versus each time a student went up having there be applause. That's all it is.
moshquerade
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Ummm.... yes, it does make the ceremony take longer. What is the big deal if the applause is held until the end? Whoopdeefrickindoo.Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Yeah, when I graduated, you just kept walking across and applaud wouldn't really slow anything down. I guess I just see it as, you spent 4 years at the damn place, you've already finished all the classes and everything, but they're still being uptight, how the hell does that happen? It's like being in an office for 4 years and still having to clock in at the exact minute you're supposed to be there, leave at the exact time, get a specific lunch time, etc. I don't understand that and why school's would be strict about this.Originally posted by: Aikouka
"Mom, you have to sign this or I can't go to graduation" "Okay, let me sign that" *signs*
There's your typical scenario
Also, I don't see how people applauding someone really makes graduation longer... at my high school and college graduation, there was applause while someone walked up to get their diploma... they would've walked the same whether or not someone clapped or said "WE LOVE YOU!!" Someone doing some weird routine would slow people down, but I never saw someone do something like that.
I'm pretty liberal as long as people do what they're supposed to I guess... I don't want someone watching over my back all the time and I won't do the same for others. By the last year of HS, the people at attendance knew me as a regular and just marked me down as an excused absence even if no one called in or anything
It was generally understood that I had a dentist's appointment pretty often
I enjoyed the end of HS, it was a great time, and don't agree with being strict at graduation. I guess it depends on how involved the students are with things going on - at my HS, there was a lot of involvement, most of us had put in a good bit effort outside of class on something or the other, and just wanted to enjoy the end.
HS'ers are kids, not jailmates or something. Why treat them like they were just released from prison by making them sign a contract saying that they'll keep quiet at graduation?
You're missing the point and wrongfully assessing this particular issue.
There is no point. Applause does not make graduations take longer. All this is moot anyway since the kids ended up getting their diplomas due to the negative feedback the HS received. The rule will almost certainly be modified or scrapped.
BrokenVisage
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I don't care about graduation length, this has nothing to do with not having families applaud because it would make the ceremony longer, how dense can you be? Like I said in my initial post, not every school has applause after every person gets their diploma, lots of times you only have the typical graduation melody going and people take pictures when their kid finally goes up, why do you have to hoot and holler like you're at a boxing match just because you're happy for someone? You can sit there, quiet with your hands folded and STILL be happy for your kid yanno.
At my graduation I was pissed off at some families who just went ballistic like it was a complete surprise to them that their kid was up there graduating, why couldn't they just clap and be civil like 99% of the other families? When it gets to the point where this is happening more and more often, I ENCOURAGE schools to hold off the celebrating until after the proceedings are over like this one did.
Be civilized, if the school ASKS you NOT to applaud, then don't. The people who plan such a prestigious ceremony do so for the enjoyment of EVERY family and graduate, why do you need to clap and make noise just because your happy and proud for someone? Show some respect for the other families who abide by the rules (even if they want to clap) and don't want to hear you or your family going ballistic either when it's your kids turn either. You have to draw the line somewhere when stuff like this becomes a common problem.
Aikouka
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Umm not necessarily. It all depends on how the diplomas are handed out. In typical fashion for diplomas, people walk up, grab the diploma with the left hand and shake with the right (if I remember correctly). As you can see, there is a time delay in here in which applause can be applied. Now, the example that you gave a post above deals with literally something like, "and these people won the I'm-A-Super-Good-Student Award:" in which they list the names and simply hand out the awards to the students rather than have a grand show. If they have to stop between names just because people are making a ruckus, then yes, it will cause a delay. If there's already a predefined delay (i.e. actually going up and receiving the award/diploma), it won't matter.
Hmm, so could you then have your friends clap for people that you don't like so they don't get their diploma?
So, clapping loudly and cheering is uncivilized. I'm sorry, I'll pass you your Grey Poupon at the next stop. Being excited for a family member and showing enthusiasm is not a bad thing. You can stay quiet and not cheer loudly if you want but why should everyone be bound by your emotional qualms. Cheering and applauding does not slow a ceremony down. Showboating does. I've been through multiple graduations with multiple formats and each has taken about the same amount of time. As long as the student understands that they need to keep moving, there shouldn't be an issue.
dainthomas
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Ummm.... yes, it does make the ceremony take longer. What is the big deal if the applause is held until the end? Whoopdeefrickindoo.Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Yeah, when I graduated, you just kept walking across and applaud wouldn't really slow anything down. I guess I just see it as, you spent 4 years at the damn place, you've already finished all the classes and everything, but they're still being uptight, how the hell does that happen? It's like being in an office for 4 years and still having to clock in at the exact minute you're supposed to be there, leave at the exact time, get a specific lunch time, etc. I don't understand that and why school's would be strict about this.Originally posted by: Aikouka
"Mom, you have to sign this or I can't go to graduation" "Okay, let me sign that" *signs*
There's your typical scenario
Also, I don't see how people applauding someone really makes graduation longer... at my high school and college graduation, there was applause while someone walked up to get their diploma... they would've walked the same whether or not someone clapped or said "WE LOVE YOU!!" Someone doing some weird routine would slow people down, but I never saw someone do something like that.
I'm pretty liberal as long as people do what they're supposed to I guess... I don't want someone watching over my back all the time and I won't do the same for others. By the last year of HS, the people at attendance knew me as a regular and just marked me down as an excused absence even if no one called in or anything
It was generally understood that I had a dentist's appointment pretty often
I enjoyed the end of HS, it was a great time, and don't agree with being strict at graduation. I guess it depends on how involved the students are with things going on - at my HS, there was a lot of involvement, most of us had put in a good bit effort outside of class on something or the other, and just wanted to enjoy the end.
HS'ers are kids, not jailmates or something. Why treat them like they were just released from prison by making them sign a contract saying that they'll keep quiet at graduation?
You're missing the point and wrongfully assessing this particular issue.
There is no point. Applause does not make graduations take longer. All this is moot anyway since the kids ended up getting their diplomas due to the negative feedback the HS received. The rule will almost certainly be modified or scrapped.
Would you care to explain how someone clapping makes the graduate walk slower?
moshquerade
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This article is likely what the OP is referring to. It seems they wanted to limit the applause, hooting, and hollering until the end because of how ridiculously out of hand the cheering had become at previous ceremonies. I just assumed it was to do with time constraints.
"School officials in Galesburg, a working-class town of 34,000 that is still reeling from the 2004 shutdown of a 1,600-employee refrigerator factory, said the get-tough policy followed a 2005 commencement where hoots, hollers and even air horns drowned out much of the ceremony and nearly touched off fights in the audience when the unruly were asked to quiet down.
"Lots of parents complained that they could not hear their own child's name called," said Joel Estes, Galesburg's assistant superintendent. "And I think that led us to saying we have to do something about this to restore some dignity and honor to the ceremony so that everyone can appreciate it and enjoy it."
Also,
"School officials said they will hear students and parents out if they appeal. Meanwhile, the school said the five students can still get their diplomas by completing eight hours of public service work, answering phones, sorting books or doing other chores for the district, situated about 150 miles southwest of Chicago."
8 hours and they can get their piece of paper and lesson learned.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/st...ion=bizarre&id=5363207
How is punishing someone for someone else's actions legitimate in any sense other than when a minor commits an offense and the parents are held liable. Would you be ok with someone withholding something you have earned because of someone else's actions that you have absolutely no control over? A previous poster had a great idea of applauding loudly for those you don't like. Should we hold it against both of those students? If you want to enforce the no clap rule, you have some security personnel monitor the crowd and remove those that are being unruly, not by taking away a third party's diploma.
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Would you care to explain how someone clapping makes the graduate walk slower?
Didn't you know, High School students are powered by the Clapper.
moshquerade
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Yeh-yeh-yeh, they are going to appeal with just that excuse to the School Board. So that even if it was their parents (relatives) who yelled and clapped and couldn't restrain themselves (and you know most likely it was) then they will get their diploma anyway. Maybe some of them will sue too! Oh joy.
If the students were the ones who caused such a massive disorder during the ceremony then I agree. If their parents were the ones who did it, then I don't think the school is taking the best course of action. What lesson are they teaching the students? That you should be punished for other people who break rules when you are not responsible for them? Contract or no contract, a student should not be punished by a school for their parents breaking rules.
I hold firm to my previous posts, but I also believe that the line needs to be drawn somewhere. I can see how certain groups of parents could get so out of hand that it ruins the ceremony for others. However, I don't think that applause should be completely off limits until the end of a ceremony just to control the bad apples. Send out a letter explaining the kinds of things they don't want like air horns, music, or whatever. If a group of parents breaks those rules during the ceremony, remove them and hope the rest of the parents that were planning to break the rules think twice. Just don't ruin it for the kids. It's their moment.
kranky
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What would fix that problem: if one family starts cheering and applauding a graduate, then the rest of the audience immediately begins booing. They'd quickly realize that the booing drowns out the applause and the rest of the families would keep quiet so their kid doesn't get booed by 99% of the crowd.
DrPizza
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I've taken a few classes in educational law...
I think the policy probably violates due process. All it'll take is a couple parents to pursue it.
I think the policy probably violates due process. All it'll take is a couple parents to pursue it.
moshquerade
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You have yet to explain in detail what the lesson is that is being taught?
Here I am sitting at my desk as an adult and I still have no clue what the school is trying to teach them. The closest thing I can come up with is that people are expected to pay the consequences for other people's actions despite whether or not they are responsible for them? To me, that is ludicrous. Even if that happens here and there in real life, I disagree with it and would never want my children to think that it is normal and the right thing to do.
BrokenVisage
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How did they get tickets? Who gave them the sheet to sign saying not to clap until the end of the ceremony? Why was the family there in the first place? Yes, it all gets put on the kid because you can't punish the family. It sucks and it's pretty unfair to the graduate, but then again the family/friends should know better. Of course the kid can't control what their following does in the crowd, but he/she invited them to witness the ceremony with many other families and that holds at least some guilt.
Were not talking about if we'd be OK with it in their shoes. Of course none of the kids would be OK with this, they want their diploma and don't want to do community service, why even ask this question? Also, absolutely no control?? Are you serious? It's their family and friends! You tell them to be quiet or bring it to their attention to hold off celebrating until the end (if no one else celebrating around them and the paper they had to sign isn't enough to raise a flag :roll
, that doesn't fall into the category of absolutes in this case?I don't get what you're trying to infer here or why you think it's a great idea, but you just proved my point that quieting people to prevent crap like this should be done by holding off applause all together.
You have to punish the kid, what can you do to the unruly parents? Tell them not to do it again, uh.. their kid just graduated, what can you possibly do to punish people who willfully didn't follow the rules they knew were in place? It's not like the kids aren't going to graduate because of this, they just didn't great their pretty diploma during the ceremony... big-ef'ing-deal! I had to wait for the real thing to come in the mail at HS and in College anyway.
That's a good idea, but obviously they didn't think about it or they came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be enough. You have to set an example here so that future generations of graduates don't let their overjoyed parents and friends get out of hand. I'm not completely agreeing with how they handled all this either, but at this point they should use the publicity to get the word out that being happy for your kid isn't just about how much noise you can make for 5-10 seconds, and that if you get carried away it could be your kid that has this happen to them next.
Again.. this has NOTHING to do with length! Read the article, the reason they implemented this rule is in black & white and I addressed it in my first post.
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