next time you think they are "just words" talk to a child with those words.
Words can be powerful.
Words can be powerful.
I have met Scott's Youth Pastor before. He said Scott says the he has a relationship with God but doesn't consider it to be christianity.
Maetryx
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I have been collecting Christian rock music since about 1983 or so. I'm pretty familiar with its history, and even *more* familiar with the attitudes like the one that girl you were chatting with was exhibiting. I've heard and had most of those attitudes myself at some point or other as I was growing up and trying to figure out my own beliefs regarding the morality of listening to music.
I pretty much don't sweat it anymore. I have 2 big CD racks full of Christian rock CDs and 1 big CD rack about 3/4 full of regular rock CDs. I used to try and believe that Christian rock just sounded better than secular rock (ha! okay some does but a lot doesn't). I used to be all concerned that the band Trouble made Christian themed albums but they themselves were not Christians. I used to freak out that Amy Grant wore leaopard skin coats and moved to a secular label.
Now I just buy whatever I like. I am no longer at the age where some band is going to influence me in my beliefs or worldview. I think I destroyed one secular CD because I felt that it was morally unredeemable (the theme of the album was necrophilia). At this point I don't even think I'd do that anymore.
The secure Christian has nothing to fear from music. A lot of the time it's the church-talking holier-than-thou type that have all the problems with music. You know, I grew up actually believing that KISS stood for Kids In Satan's Service and that AC/DC meant Anti-Christ/Devils Children? Chick tracts taught me that witches gathered on a pentagram to curse the masters of every rock album so that everyone listening to it would have demons entering them.
It's just sad. What a waste of time. Instead of being taught the essential doctrines of orthodox Christianity, instead of studying the early church fathers, I was poisoned with Halloween paranoia and rock music guilt and TV preacher admiration.
I pretty much don't sweat it anymore. I have 2 big CD racks full of Christian rock CDs and 1 big CD rack about 3/4 full of regular rock CDs. I used to try and believe that Christian rock just sounded better than secular rock (ha! okay some does but a lot doesn't). I used to be all concerned that the band Trouble made Christian themed albums but they themselves were not Christians. I used to freak out that Amy Grant wore leaopard skin coats and moved to a secular label.
Now I just buy whatever I like. I am no longer at the age where some band is going to influence me in my beliefs or worldview. I think I destroyed one secular CD because I felt that it was morally unredeemable (the theme of the album was necrophilia). At this point I don't even think I'd do that anymore.
The secure Christian has nothing to fear from music. A lot of the time it's the church-talking holier-than-thou type that have all the problems with music. You know, I grew up actually believing that KISS stood for Kids In Satan's Service and that AC/DC meant Anti-Christ/Devils Children? Chick tracts taught me that witches gathered on a pentagram to curse the masters of every rock album so that everyone listening to it would have demons entering them.
It's just sad. What a waste of time. Instead of being taught the essential doctrines of orthodox Christianity, instead of studying the early church fathers, I was poisoned with Halloween paranoia and rock music guilt and TV preacher admiration.
I don't consider myself apart of any religion.. I've never gone to church, or anything like that..
My belief system is my own... It borrows from all beliefs...
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For $2.25, you too can find out about covens of witches cursing the master recordings of rock albums.
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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
I know man! What a joke, right? But I just *know* that someone reading this was raised just like I was. They probably just quit trying and went out on their way and stopped going to church and just silenced the part of their mind that just knows there is something to Christianity but it just didn't make any sense anymore.
I know man! What a joke, right? But I just *know* that someone reading this was raised just like I was. They probably just quit trying and went out on their way and stopped going to church and just silenced the part of their mind that just knows there is something to Christianity but it just didn't make any sense anymore.
How is that not like saying that if you believe that Stephen Hawking is an intellectual genius, you're a physicist? I'd hope that there's more to Christianity than believing some obscure fact about someone else, or that because you're born in America you're a Christian. (I've heard that one too, and I don't see what the justification is for it. It's not like being born in a garage makes you a car.)
As far as premarital sex is concerned, I don't think it exists. I think that sex makes you married -- it certainly does a whole lot more for your relationship than some old guy with a white beard pronouncing you man and wife and making you kiss and throwing rice at you. So if you have that view, you're only going to have sex with one partner or you wind up a polygamist. Of course, not in legal terms, but still... so how do you determine your involvement in a relationship? Well, I've kind of adopted the view that I should go no further in my own relationships than I want the schmuck who's currently dating my wife-to-be to go.
Yeah... ask her what makes Linkin Park a Christian band, and play some Creed for her that "swears." Then break out POD's Southtown and ask her what the heck that song does to promote the cause of Christ.
In a more argumentative mood with this particular girl, my argument would go something like this:
"Oh... so I'm not Christian because I listen to satanists. So am I a satanist because I listen to satanists? I am? Are you listening to me?"
slayer very rarely 'swears' (lame word for cussing, btw) in their songs. i guess that makes them christian, right?
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The problem is that there are many 'whackos' around which proclaim to be 'real christians' in comparison to many 'normal' people with a christian belief - this fanatic 'christianity' is nothing else than practicing the 'institutional' church - and often is very much recognizable by an extreme closemindedness in regards to our current society.
("No sex before marriage...blah bla...and all the other stuff they think is 'needed' to be a 'real christ')
This totally scares me (as fanatics in general scare me)...since (i ithink) most of fanatics dont use their brains but act 'non logical'...and therefore are kinda scary...and of course you cant come such people with arguments - the argument will always bounce back from a wall of pre-judgement and closed mindedness and 'belief'. (If you know what i mean
I (for myself) would also rather claim to have 'my own philosophy'....(bein a born catholic
...but after a lot of thinking once i came to the conclusion that the real Jesus (what he said...what he wanted etc...) was probably really a 'cool' guy...and his 'teachings' had SENSE (it needs some time to realize that).So....i'd consider myself kinda 'christian' and would be very angry hearing from some fanatic i am NOT real chrstian (whatever) because i dont follow their exact listed points of what they think is necessary (or what the institution "Church" thinks is necessary
I think Jesus had a good portion of common sense for his time...and he had an interesting way trying to tell people how to live best together happily....no violence...etc..etc...but the teachings of the church and rituals of fanatics nowadays have *nothing* to do with that common sense...imho...
my $0.2...otherwise i (of course) tolerate every religion whatsoever..as long as it isn't accompanied by this certain arrogance ("You are wrong..you are a sinner...WE are better...blah blah")..and even here jesus already was WAYYYY better than all that religion freaks TODAY...because he actually *taught* tolerance, it was one key element actually...
(I konw this discussion could go on forever
So???? What's that got a thing to do with what I said?
Actually any outward evidence of anger may breed agression and escalate a situation. Not to mention the negative influence it has on children. I nere ever head either of my grand fathers say just one cuss word and cannot ever remember seeing either angry. I've only heard my own father cuss one time and my mom never.
In this age I guess it's a secret but if you were both virgins at the time of marrage it is highly unlikely you would ever get divorced.....but since divorce [selfishness] is so accepted today I guess could cause it's own discussion. There are about 30 different deadly diseases spred by everything from kissing to actual intercourse. Rubbers stop only a few. They are epidemic btw....
Where did you hear this?
Having a 'personl relationship with Jesus' is only a small part of being a Christian.....
That is so INCREDIBLY retarded it makes me want to puke on my shoe!
how do people like that get so brainwashed??? that is so damn silly it's laughable.. ahaha.. as if any normal people care about religion anyways.. *puts hand up*
how do people like that get so brainwashed??? that is so damn silly it's laughable.. ahaha.. as if any normal people care about religion anyways.. *puts hand up*
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I'd just like to plug my religion:
The Holy Order of Gaming.
The biggest upside: we can prove our gods exist
OKay, now that that's out in the open, I think alot of "christian" fanboys tend to forget the difference between the spirit of the "rules" and the absolute quest for godliness. If swearing will make you go to hell I don't want to go to heaven. Noone I know will be there. If listening to "satanic" music or playing "satanic" games will make you go to hell, I might as well commit a triple homicide because my chances for heaven are GONE! The real spirit of the rules basically boil down to "don't be an asshole".
The Holy Order of Gaming.
The biggest upside: we can prove our gods exist
OKay, now that that's out in the open, I think alot of "christian" fanboys tend to forget the difference between the spirit of the "rules" and the absolute quest for godliness. If swearing will make you go to hell I don't want to go to heaven. Noone I know will be there. If listening to "satanic" music or playing "satanic" games will make you go to hell, I might as well commit a triple homicide because my chances for heaven are GONE! The real spirit of the rules basically boil down to "don't be an asshole".
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Demon-Xanth, you don't seem to get it. It's all about mind control. No not by the Artists who put out thje so-called "Satanic music" but by those who tell you what you should listen too. THe more they control your mind the easier it is to brain wash you into believing the unbelievable.
When I was younger I went thru a conservative phase too. During that time I wouldn't watch any TV shows that had violence or sex in them (like Married with Children) and I wouldn't listen to any music that wasn't played on the local Christian station (except oldies). I tried to be conservative, but I found it just wasn't in me.
In the end I decided that a strong Christian can listen to any kind of music they want and watch anything they want and just leave alone what you find offensive. I believe God gives us liberty to make those choices. There was something in the Bible about how some believers are weaker and will only eat vegetables and others are stronger and will eat meat sacrified to idols. Neither is wrong in what they do, but the one who can eat the meat does have a duty not to offend the one who doesn't. Therefore when I'm around conservative Christians I don't talk about the music I listen to or TV shows I watch cause I don't wish to offend them.
It's all about live and let live.
In the end I decided that a strong Christian can listen to any kind of music they want and watch anything they want and just leave alone what you find offensive. I believe God gives us liberty to make those choices. There was something in the Bible about how some believers are weaker and will only eat vegetables and others are stronger and will eat meat sacrified to idols. Neither is wrong in what they do, but the one who can eat the meat does have a duty not to offend the one who doesn't. Therefore when I'm around conservative Christians I don't talk about the music I listen to or TV shows I watch cause I don't wish to offend them.
It's all about live and let live.
Totally!
it sucks when you see people brainwashed and dragged around by religion as if it matters for some reason.. it's a shame... :disgust:
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