AP: Obama to send 1200 National Guard troops to Mexican border

[DucatiMonster696]

Is this an admittance of defeat on the issue?

Its a piece meal act design to say "Hey we are doing something so courts please remove Arizona's law" and once that is over they will go back to the same old, same old and then push for amnesty. There also the fact that the fed's have stop accepting deportees from Arizona. So again this is just a hollow gesture.

 

[ProfJohn]

After this announcement Obama announced a new plan to hand out buckets to the people of the gulf states so they can help remove oil from the gulf.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

What did your hero do besides make this problem?

Since you voted for him, why don't you tell us?

Maybe I should start throwing out the "racism" claims since Obama seems to only be targeting the Mexican border? After all, the wingnuts here screamed "racism" when they felt Arizona was "unfairly" targeting immigrants from south of the border? Funny how that works, isn't it?

Of course, I won't scream racism because race has nothing to do with it. It is a start but it isn't nearly enough and I fear Obama is doing this as a symbolic gesture so the Feds can say "Look! We're enforcing the border! Arizona, your law isn't needed."

 

[BurnItDwn]

You are not going to be able to sustain 3 people covering 24/7 without burnout. that is why you need a min of 5.

Also, that terrain is nothing like flat Illinois.

Having lived in that area; the 1/10 mile is conservative. You might be able to stretch it to 1/4 mile.

The technology is there that could expand the coverage to 1 mile, but costly to use and one must be trained on it.

I know the border is nothing like the plains here.

I guess over the long run you may be much more right ... When I posted this I was thinking of how in WW2 101st 506th Easy company managed to hold the line by Bastogne .... in heavy forest, spread so thin that they were hundreds of yards between foxholes ... and pretty much having 2 people per foxhole with monitoring 24/7 for weeks ....

But yea, that is totally not sustainable over the long term.

 

[nick1985]

Racist Obama. This is clearly targeting hispanics. RACIST!!!!!!

 

[blackangst1]

Its a piece meal act design to say "Hey we are doing something so courts please remove Arizona's law" and once that is over they will go back to the same old, same old and then push for amnesty. There also the fact that the fed's have stop accepting deportees from Arizona. So again this is just a hollow gesture.

Link?

 

[werepossum]

Its a piece meal act design to say "Hey we are doing something so courts please remove Arizona's law" and once that is over they will go back to the same old, same old and then push for amnesty. There also the fact that the fed's have stop accepting deportees from Arizona. So again this is just a hollow gesture.

My suspicion as well, but note that the feds didn't stop accepting deportees from Arizona but merely made a veiled threat to do so in the future. Also, 1,200 Guardsmen at a few high traffic areas could make a significant difference. McCain's comments of course can be utterly discounted; as soon as (if?) he is re-elected he will once again be the illegals' best friend.

 

[cwjerome]

We must live in extraordinary times when the President of the US has to mobilize the National Guard to secure our international border from invasion by smugglers and illegals but nobody bats an eye. To me, it's an admission of an extremely serious problem... and this move is obviously a very temporary "fix" considering everything will go back to usual the millisecond they leave.

And 1,200 isn't a whole lot by the time you subtract the cooks, mechanics, signal, HQ, supply, etc... we'll be lucky to have 800 soldiers actually manning the OPs and patrolling the border. I figure with 1,200 we can secure Bisbee AZ.

And will ROEs again be so restrictive that more incidents like the last time when a NG unit was pushed off their OP by armed drug smugglers and their Mexican army escort? Will they give them rounds to put in their magazines?

Excuse me if I sound a little sarcastic from this PR move. The thought that this is a politicized move to further disenfranchise AZ by showing the Feds are on top of it is too much to bear. What will probably happen next is a border compromise proposal will be put in some crap bill full of other random bullshit. When the Republicans don't sign the bill, the administration will say the Republicans did not vote for securing the border, blah, blah...

 

[DAGTA]

According to this link:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.0513d49acfc29bc63d3ee39de8bd3b71.dc1&show_article=1

the troops aren't there to enforce illegal immigration. No idea the credibility of that site.

 

[RedCOMET]

Its a travesty that we can send NG troops to new orleans after Katrina and use them in an police enforcement role, but when it comes to sending them to the Border ,they are just an support role. seems like such BS.

 

[bob4432]

According to this link:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.0513d49acfc29bc63d3ee39de8bd3b71.dc1&show_article=1

the troops aren't there to enforce illegal immigration. No idea the credibility of that site.

what they have talking about locally is the NG will be doing more "desk jobs" and really no enforcement. that article sounds like they are going to be doing the "clerical" border patrol jobs (think about training time) to the relieve the border agents to go outside? so in effect the training of the NG will take time and then have a 0 effect on anything - just what calderon told obama to do.

one other interesting note from the article:

Nearly 13 million Mexicans live in the United States, more than half of them illegally.

so now, there is only ~6.5M illegals? wow, the number keeps getting smaller and smaller along w/ the total number in general for mexicans. guess this is why the census bureau told the hispanics/mexicans to select white for race on the latest census form....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bv1goWYl1s

 

[Danube]

Most people knew the 1200 troops being sent to border was a PR brigade who wouldn't be put to much use. Then Mexico got upset and the admin catered to them. Our gov represents foreign interests better than citizens (and I would extend that to hostile nations)

Security charade - Beefing up the border' with paper-pushers



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"Anyone with military experience knew that the president's earlier decision to send 1,200 National Guard soldiers to Arizona's border with Mexico was a purely political move. But few realized just how cynical it was.

Troop numbers don't matter as much as what the Guard is tasked and allowed to do. If the president doesn't authorize those in uniform to track and apprehend illegal border crossers, their presence is worthless -- the coyotes and narcos soon figure out that the troops are just decoration


In the past, our troops have not been allowed to bust illegals -- or drug smugglers. Even though the president has the authority to empower them to do so.

It was clear from the start that this deployment wouldn't be any different. Nonetheless, the Mexican government threw a hissy fit. So, yesterday, our State Department rushed to assure the Mexicans that the guardsmen will only be allowed to do desk jobs and support work. The White House then confirmed it.

Boy, the border criminals are scared now . . .

Not only has the administration misused the guard for politics -- the appearance of getting tough in response to Arizona's popular distress-signal law on checking citizenship documents -- it has now placed the appeasement of a foreign government over the welfare of our citizens"

 

[werepossum]

Heard on the radio today that the Guardsmen will not concentrate on illegal immigration enforcement, but rather are there to prevent American guns from being carried into Mexico. Guess the Messiah can now actually see the benefit in border enforcement - as long as it is Mexico's benefit, not ours. Hey, let's enforce the border to prevent dangerous drug cartel warriors from crossing - back into Mexico!

 

[Red Dawn]

Heard on the radio today that the Guardsmen will not concentrate on illegal immigration enforcement, but rather are there to prevent American guns from being carried into Mexico. Guess the Messiah can now actually see the benefit in border enforcement - as long as it is Mexico's benefit, not ours. Hey, let's enforce the border to prevent dangerous drug cartel warriors from crossing - back into Mexico!

Well that's what the Mexican Army's for..except they are in the payroll of the drug cartels. A recent operation against one of Mexico's Cartels was conducted by Mexican Naval Forces because the Army was to infiltrated by these Cartels to be trusted.

Now they say these Guardsmen are here to help out while more Border Patrol are trained. How many more are there going to be?

 

[blackangst1]

so now, there is only ~6.5M illegals? wow, the number keeps getting smaller and smaller along w/ the total number in general for mexicans. guess this is why the census bureau told the hispanics/mexicans to select white for race on the latest census form....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bv1goWYl1s

Mexicans are the only ones coming here illegally. The article was specifying Mexicans. I posted an article in one of the other illegal immigration threads from a few years ago showing the number of illegal Chinese illegally crossing the Nogalas border has increased ten fold over the previous 10 years.

 

[werepossum]

Well that's what the Mexican Army's for..except they are in the payroll of the drug cartels. A recent operation against one of Mexico's Cartels was conducted by Mexican Naval Forces because the Army was to infiltrated by these Cartels to be trusted.

Now they say these Guardsmen are here to help out while more Border Patrol are trained. How many more are there going to be?

Also, how are they to be armed and equipped? There have been several incidences of Mexican Army HMMWVs firing .50 cals at Border Patrol agents armed with pistols or at most semi-auto Armalites. At this point though I don't think anyone can truly predict how many Guardsmen or Border Patrol agents will be provided and what will be their roles, as both parties' leadership must be dragged kicking and screaming to enforce the laws they purport to support.