I got tired of it the second all the stupid soccer moms in their suburbans began sporting the window flags. Poor excuse for patriotism if you ask me.
i think the point is: not everyone needs an F-ing parade/ceremony/commemorative ribbon/bracelet to remember things that matter. i could rant about the people that do need those things being wrapped up in some Harrison Bergeron world where thinking for more than 10 seconds about any one subject would cause them physical pain but i will spare you.
just recognize that while some people may strive for the seemingly hollow symbolism of flags hanging from our cars only to be left on the side of the road, dirty and torn for the sake of feeling good about a horrorshow...some of us couldnt care less what makes the viewers of Good Day America tilt their heads to the side like the RCA puppy in what they perceive to be compassion toward or concern foror interest toward or patriotism aimed at or approval of the drivel that ensues.
honoring isnt a public spectacle for all people. i understand a certain amount of it should be and some people need it but count me out of the insincere sideshow that television makes of this.
and people that live in new york dont want another got-damn thing making it harder for them to move around.
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That is because it has been years since they happened. This is still fresh in everyones mind. We live in a different world now and with uncaring people such as yourself we are headed for even worse times.
All you people need to do is think if this happened in your town to people you know. I agree it doesn't need to be brought up every day, but since it is coming close to the date, why not let those grieve that want to and those honor that feel the need?
Ha, ha, this thread has validated everything I believe about this cesspool. 
Have a nice day...in Hell.
Have a nice day...in Hell.
Wow, the reaction is really stunning... I was hoping more people would care about one of the biggest events in your nations history, I mean look at all the changes our country has made in response to this...
I honestly wonder if the views would be different if it was also a day off of work. Seems I hear nobody complaining about President's day, Labor Day, etc. Yet something that has truly impacted our country as a whole IMO gets more flack than either of the two mentioned above.
My only problem with it all is that the media sees fit to shove it down our throats every day, so in one sense I agree, but I blame the media, not the people who wish to speak about it. It makes good ratings and good advertising revenue for them, so they pound it into oblivion and that makes me sick. Being cognizant of the day will help all Americans prevent such tragedy from happening again.
I think a lot of people confuse the political changes stemming from 9/11 with those of the actual events. Just being in NYC right now, and listening to the Fire Department tapes on the local news is a very sobering experience. There was mass panic and chaos in the most industrial, commercial, and biggest city in the United States. For all of the infrastructure and training that the EMS, FD, and PD had -- even they were panicked and did not know what to do.
I just finished listening to all the audio tapes from the FD Dispatch on that day, as well as reading about 50 oral histories from the people who were there. I don't think about the politics of it, or the war on terror, or any of the false patriotism and crud that people are complaining about. I ignore that, because the focal point is what these people went through, the people that died, and how we were helpless on that day -- as a nation.
There's a lot of things that need to be addressed to prevent another disaster like this from happening again. Not just in securing the borders against terrorists (which I agree is a very sticky issue and political), but making sure our Emergency personnel are adequately equipped and trained. Even with all the Mass-Casualty training they had, 9/11 had them completely off-guard. Radio communications were not working properly, and much of the leadership was separated from the infrastructures of trucks, men, and equipment. A lot of Fire Chiefs died that day, and a lot more were unable to command their units because everything was chaos.
I'd prefer to ignore the politics of the situation, and instead focus on the loss of life, the emotional trauma, and what it taught us. It taught us that we were not prepared, but it also showed us that we had some real unselfish people that gave their lives to help others. That is what 9/11 showed me -- that even though we were caught off-guard, we did manage to respond, and many people lost their life in doing so.
I'd like to think that we can keep the P&N aspect of it in P&N, and keep the human part of it as the focus.
No, not every city and person has to have a parade or a ceremony, but you don't have to participate or pay attention to it if you don't want it. Much like some of the silly-ass media stories such as Scott Peterson, etc we get beat over the head with it, but you have to seperate the political and media part of it from the actual event.
I know that if I had lost a family member in 9/11 that I would want to remember them in every way possible. I have lost a family member in a mass casualty event before, and it really does change you. I've only spoken with one other victim's family, but it was short, and even then it was tough to talk about it. I can only truly relate about it with my family. However, it wasn't on the scale of 9/11 at all, and it certainly didn't change or terrorize the populace like 9/11 did. It was a life-changing, nation-altering, worlc-changing event, and to ignore the gravity of it is putting your head in the sand.
You don't have to fly a flag, or put a stick on your SUV. You don't have to do anything. I, for one, choose not to fly a flag or have any type of sticker. I just remember, and I look at the event and think of how it would have felt to have been there. That's all I can do.
I just finished listening to all the audio tapes from the FD Dispatch on that day, as well as reading about 50 oral histories from the people who were there. I don't think about the politics of it, or the war on terror, or any of the false patriotism and crud that people are complaining about. I ignore that, because the focal point is what these people went through, the people that died, and how we were helpless on that day -- as a nation.
There's a lot of things that need to be addressed to prevent another disaster like this from happening again. Not just in securing the borders against terrorists (which I agree is a very sticky issue and political), but making sure our Emergency personnel are adequately equipped and trained. Even with all the Mass-Casualty training they had, 9/11 had them completely off-guard. Radio communications were not working properly, and much of the leadership was separated from the infrastructures of trucks, men, and equipment. A lot of Fire Chiefs died that day, and a lot more were unable to command their units because everything was chaos.
I'd prefer to ignore the politics of the situation, and instead focus on the loss of life, the emotional trauma, and what it taught us. It taught us that we were not prepared, but it also showed us that we had some real unselfish people that gave their lives to help others. That is what 9/11 showed me -- that even though we were caught off-guard, we did manage to respond, and many people lost their life in doing so.
I'd like to think that we can keep the P&N aspect of it in P&N, and keep the human part of it as the focus.
No, not every city and person has to have a parade or a ceremony, but you don't have to participate or pay attention to it if you don't want it. Much like some of the silly-ass media stories such as Scott Peterson, etc we get beat over the head with it, but you have to seperate the political and media part of it from the actual event.
I know that if I had lost a family member in 9/11 that I would want to remember them in every way possible. I have lost a family member in a mass casualty event before, and it really does change you. I've only spoken with one other victim's family, but it was short, and even then it was tough to talk about it. I can only truly relate about it with my family. However, it wasn't on the scale of 9/11 at all, and it certainly didn't change or terrorize the populace like 9/11 did. It was a life-changing, nation-altering, worlc-changing event, and to ignore the gravity of it is putting your head in the sand.
You don't have to fly a flag, or put a stick on your SUV. You don't have to do anything. I, for one, choose not to fly a flag or have any type of sticker. I just remember, and I look at the event and think of how it would have felt to have been there. That's all I can do.
My only response to this thread will be to say that we in the USA should not ever forget that there are nasty people in this world determined to steal our way of life from us and make us live in fear. I for one won't let them win... you can kill me but you can't steal my spirit.
He (as well as the OP) was probably too young to fully remember it. Keep in mind we have a LOT of very young posters here. For many, it's nothing more than a page in a history book & something mommy and daddy talk about.
:roll: the only thing most people dislike about any foreign nation is that nation's tendency to meddle in other country's affairs.
If OBL really wanted to attack freedom, he would've attacked Amsterdam, the weed-lovin, whore-mongering capital of the world.
I love how 9/11 constantly gets related to Iraq even though not one single hijacker was Iraqi.
Who here knows that 14 or the identified 19 hijackers in all planes combined were Saudis?
I'm NOT saying that amdhunter said 9/11 and iraq are related. I'm just saying that when they get mentioned in the same sentence, and repeated a million times by the Pres., news, etc. -- that it becomes accepted public knowledge that Saddam himself was a hijacker on 9/11. That's what irritates me the most.
Somewhat unrelated... roughly 100 times the number of people die from cigarette smoking every year, and people just shrug that off like it's no big deal. Weird.
ya... I'd go to p&n... but those people scare me
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