Anyone see the documentary "Hacking Democracy" on HBO

[Queasy]

Ever notice how pretty much all the talk about the electronic voting machines was dropped as soon as the Dems won both Houses?

 

[StatsManD]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Ever notice how pretty much all the talk about the electronic voting machines was dropped as soon as the Dems won both Houses?

Not really. This documentary was aired after the elections.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: StatsManD

Originally posted by: Queasy
Ever notice how pretty much all the talk about the electronic voting machines was dropped as soon as the Dems won both Houses?

Not really. This documentary was aired after the elections.

This was originally aired long before the elections.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Ever notice how pretty much all the talk about the electronic voting machines was dropped as soon as the Dems won both Houses?

THEY MUST BE HACKING TOO!!! OMG!!!11!11!

 

[StatsManD]

Very sad that people are making a joke out of this. It has already been proven that Diebold lied to election officials when they said you couldn't use a memory card to hack the machines, or that memory cards didn't have a executable file on them. Diebold is even being sued now for this.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: StatsManD
Very scary what it showed. Someone could easily rig the elections, because the electronic voting machines are so unsecured. A simple memory card swipe means a candidate gets thousands of extra votes, while another looses thousands of extra votes. There is even evidence of election fraud when Bush won in 04, like how every county with an optical scan in New Mexico voted for Bush, even when most of them are democrats. How in Ohio blacks were turned away at ballots, and 8 hour long lines in black neighborhoods to vote.

Could someone move this to P&N

Yeah it really pissed off this guy.

 

[SmoochyTX]

OP, I'll ask you again, WWYBYWB?

 

[Amused]

StatsManD,

Try some critical thinking instead of being led around like a sheep

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2006/11/01/AR2006110103220.html

The "documentary" NEVER showed a single case of actual fraud. Not one. All it offers is possibilities and suspicions. Not to mention it's makers are highly suspect themselves.

And yet you say; "Very scary indeed. 2004 election likely rigged."

What is your proof of this? None at all. Yet you state this as fact. How?

And the hacking done by the "expert" in the movie? Even he admits it would be impossible in a real election.

Can you say "Baaaaaa?" Obviously, you can.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Queasy
Ever notice how pretty much all the talk about the electronic voting machines was dropped as soon as the Dems won both Houses?

THEY MUST BE HACKING TOO!!! OMG!!!11!11!

I have a solution to all of this. Let's just elect GWB as Supreme Leader and be done with it. We can set up suicide booths on every corner for the disenfranchised. Problem solved!

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Queasy
Ever notice how pretty much all the talk about the electronic voting machines was dropped as soon as the Dems won both Houses?

THEY MUST BE HACKING TOO!!! OMG!!!11!11!

Didn't say they were hacking too. But they and the media were making alot of noise about problems with the electronic voting machines leading up to the mid-term election. All that noise stopped immediately after the Dems won both houses. No complaints, no conspiracies, nothing, nada. If the Dems had lost we'd probably still be embroiled in conspiracies and controversies over the 2006 elections now.

 

[Descartes]

I respect HBO documentaries, and generally find them to be unbiased and full of worthwhile information. To remain unbiased they often make a lot of suggestions, hints, etc. that suggest ill-behavior rather than provide absolute evidence of such. That might sound silly at first, but what it does is raise awareness on some key issues. For this reason alone I consider them valuable, especially since they often choose largely estoteric topics (e.g. vinyl siding).

I saw Hacking Democracy and enjoyed it, especially since I'm in software (for those that didn't catch it, the code they showed on the screen (in notepad no less) was C++ using MFC). I had always assumed that elections were at least partly dirty, so the suggestion of tampering doesn't exactly surprise me.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Descartes
I respect HBO documentaries, and generally find them to be unbiased and full of worthwhile information. To remain unbiased they often make a lot of suggestions, hints, etc. that suggest ill-behavior rather than provide absolute evidence of such. That might sound silly at first, but what it does is raise awareness on some key issues. For this reason alone I consider them valuable, especially since they often choose largely estoteric topics (e.g. vinyl siding).

I saw Hacking Democracy and enjoyed it, especially since I'm in software (for those that didn't catch it, the code they showed on the screen (in notepad no less) was C++ using MFC). I had always assumed that elections were at least partly dirty, so the suggestion of tampering doesn't exactly surprise me.

Really? So a documentary such as this leading people like the OP to firmly believe recent elections were rigged, while offering no proof any such thing whatsoever is "respectable?"

This isn't a documentary. It's political propaganda specifically designed to spark fear and uncertainty. It obviously succeeded.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Descartes
I respect HBO documentaries, and generally find them to be unbiased and full of worthwhile information. To remain unbiased they often make a lot of suggestions, hints, etc. that suggest ill-behavior rather than provide absolute evidence of such. That might sound silly at first, but what it does is raise awareness on some key issues. For this reason alone I consider them valuable, especially since they often choose largely estoteric topics (e.g. vinyl siding).

I saw Hacking Democracy and enjoyed it, especially since I'm in software (for those that didn't catch it, the code they showed on the screen (in notepad no less) was C++ using MFC). I had always assumed that elections were at least partly dirty, so the suggestion of tampering doesn't exactly surprise me.

Really? So a documentary such as this leading people like the OP to firmly believe recent elections were rigged, while offering no proof any such thing whatsoever is "respectable?"

People are free to draw whatever conclusions they wish, so all you're describing is a biased viewer, not a biased media presentation. I saw the same documentary, and all I took away with it was the flaws in the current voting systems and the potential for foul play.

This isn't a documentary.

Eh. I call it a documentary. I'm not going to wax pedantic about what exactly constitutes a documentary, so you're free to do so.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Descartes
I respect HBO documentaries, and generally find them to be unbiased and full of worthwhile information. To remain unbiased they often make a lot of suggestions, hints, etc. that suggest ill-behavior rather than provide absolute evidence of such. That might sound silly at first, but what it does is raise awareness on some key issues. For this reason alone I consider them valuable, especially since they often choose largely estoteric topics (e.g. vinyl siding).

I saw Hacking Democracy and enjoyed it, especially since I'm in software (for those that didn't catch it, the code they showed on the screen (in notepad no less) was C++ using MFC). I had always assumed that elections were at least partly dirty, so the suggestion of tampering doesn't exactly surprise me.

Really? So a documentary such as this leading people like the OP to firmly believe recent elections were rigged, while offering no proof any such thing whatsoever is "respectable?"

People are free to draw whatever conclusions they wish, so all you're describing is a biased viewer, not a biased media presentation. I saw the same documentary, and all I took away with it was the flaws in the current voting systems and the potential for foul play.

This isn't a documentary.

Eh. I call it a documentary. I'm not going to wax pedantic about what exactly constitutes a documentary, so you're free to do so.

It documented NOTHING of fact. Only suspicions and implied possibilities. In fact, the only actual example it gave was, in reality, IMPOSSIBLE."

How you cannot see that as the propaganda it is is simply amazing to me.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Descartes
I respect HBO documentaries, and generally find them to be unbiased and full of worthwhile information. To remain unbiased they often make a lot of suggestions, hints, etc. that suggest ill-behavior rather than provide absolute evidence of such. That might sound silly at first, but what it does is raise awareness on some key issues. For this reason alone I consider them valuable, especially since they often choose largely estoteric topics (e.g. vinyl siding).

I saw Hacking Democracy and enjoyed it, especially since I'm in software (for those that didn't catch it, the code they showed on the screen (in notepad no less) was C++ using MFC). I had always assumed that elections were at least partly dirty, so the suggestion of tampering doesn't exactly surprise me.

Really? So a documentary such as this leading people like the OP to firmly believe recent elections were rigged, while offering no proof any such thing whatsoever is "respectable?"

People are free to draw whatever conclusions they wish, so all you're describing is a biased viewer, not a biased media presentation. I saw the same documentary, and all I took away with it was the flaws in the current voting systems and the potential for foul play.

This isn't a documentary.

Eh. I call it a documentary. I'm not going to wax pedantic about what exactly constitutes a documentary, so you're free to do so.

It documented NOTHING of fact. Only suspicions and implied possibilities. In fact, the only actual example it gave was, in reality, IMPOSSIBLE."

This coming from someone that isn't a technologist of any kind (from what I remember). Discussions of the technical deficiencies of the entire process has been argued ad nauseum, and I'm sure a little Googling can provide you with plenty of information if you so choose.

That being said, it wasn't a film (better?) about what absolutely happened; rather, and I'll say it again, about deficiencies in the current voting process. That's how I took it, and conspiracy theorists can use it as "evidence" to support their views if they choose.

How you cannot see that as the propaganda it is is simply amazing to me.

Don't straw man me. I didn't say I did or did not. All I said is I enjoyed it and came away with reasonable information to consider. Whether you want to call it a documentary, a movie or anything else is absolutely immaterial to me. Call it whatever you want and argue semantics to HBO.

 

[moshquerade]

woot, somebody broke out the "strawman" accusation although it might be considered an ad hominen attack actually.

this thread has now been verified "messageboard approved".

 

[Kanalua]

It's a Conspiracy!!!

Yup, and the 2006 mid-terms were stolen by the Chavez cartel. There is clear and convincing evidence that shows it. I saw a video of it on YouTube. Very well documented evidences, water tight!

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
woot, somebody broke out the "strawman" accusation although it might be considered an ad hominen attack actually.

this thread has now been verified "messageboard approved".

I didn't see that he attacked me; rather, it seemed like he embellished my position on the issue.

Anyway, glad I could deliver

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
woot, somebody broke out the "strawman" accusation although it might be considered an ad hominen attack actually.

this thread has now been verified "messageboard approved".

:thumbsup:

 

[FoBoT]

i missed the "your mother wears combat boots and is a nazi" flames