Anyone see Apple's new Ads?

[akugami]

Very predictable diversion. See that's the thing about you iDiots. Your iDevices are just too much of a part of your self-image that you can't handle legitimate criticism of Apple (which you perceive as criticism of you for buying Apple products) without trying to sling mud at others.

What's even more funny? Instead of discussing the merit or demerits of the article you chose the low road. You talk of others slinging mud and here you are with personal attacks. I mean, calling someone an iDiot is real original and really classy. You basically took the time to call other people names and stuff because they correctly pointed out the article in the OP's post is essentially a load of crap.


The article in the OP's post is essentially the very thing it accuses the two Apple ads of, a lie. Isn't it interesting out of the many many Apple ad lines quoted in the article, there is only one that can be said to be a lie. I'm not going to go dissect every single Android phone/tablet commercial or ad out there but I'll bet you I can dig up plenty of lies and false insinuations too. It's called marketing. That article was nothing more than a fanboy rant. The article writer should be locked up by the Android Police for that piece of drivel masquerading as an article.

I'm not making excuses for Apple and I'm not a fan of false or misleading advertising but these two ads were tame. Apple has done much worse in previous ads.

 

[DivideBYZero]

one word...lol at apple

That's three.

 

[Deeko]

I have a Droid 1, and the Motorola commercial I saw for it bragged how the phone was fast. Rooted and OC'ed to 1.1ghz my phone isn't what I'd consider "fast" (because it's not)

I've never seen an honest commercial, Apple's no more guilty than Motorola, lying about the eBook thing is on par with Moto saying the Droid 1 was fast, both are 100% lies.

See, here's the thing.

There's facts ("the iphone 4 has the highest resolution screen in a smartphone ever", this is an absolute, verifiable fact).

There's opinion ("the droid is fast")

With the latter, you can bend the truth, you can put marketing spin, everyone does it, whatever. With the former, you cannot. Its either true, or its not. And frankly - its illegal. I don't know why you guys are so ok with false advertising.

 

[runawayprisoner]

See, here's the thing.

There's facts ("the iphone 4 has the highest resolution screen in a smartphone ever", this is an absolute, verifiable fact).

There's opinion ("the droid is fast")

With the latter, you can bend the truth, you can put marketing spin, everyone does it, whatever. With the former, you cannot. Its either true, or its not. And frankly - its illegal. I don't know why you guys are so ok with false advertising.

Well, see, here's another thing: you and others are quoting Apple's statements and adding on to them, then calling them facts and calling Apple out for them.

If anything is stated like "Droid is fast", it's immediately a subjective opinion and immune from any kind of falsification?

Even the quote you quoted would have been subjective if it was just "the iPhone 4 has the highest resolution ever in a smartphone". And... it really was just that, there was no tiny voice stating anything else otherwise after it.

I still fail to see why an ad should offend you so much. Especially one that doesn't even mention Android by any long stretch. It's just crazy.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Wow it's a fucking advertisement, get over it.

You know the product is popular when it has "anti-fans".

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

What's even more funny? Instead of discussing the merit or demerits of the article you chose the low road. You talk of others slinging mud and here you are with personal attacks. I mean, calling someone an iDiot is real original and really classy. You basically took the time to call other people names and stuff because they correctly pointed out the article in the OP's post is essentially a load of crap.


The article in the OP's post is essentially the very thing it accuses the two Apple ads of, a lie. Isn't it interesting out of the many many Apple ad lines quoted in the article, there is only one that can be said to be a lie. I'm not going to go dissect every single Android phone/tablet commercial or ad out there but I'll bet you I can dig up plenty of lies and false insinuations too. It's called marketing. That article was nothing more than a fanboy rant. The article writer should be locked up by the Android Police for that piece of drivel masquerading as an article.

I'm not making excuses for Apple and I'm not a fan of false or misleading advertising but these two ads were tame. Apple has done much worse in previous ads.

I LOLed. Anyway, thanks for the cool rational head you bring onto this board. None of that Y U NO HAVE TRUE MULTITASKING iOS?

 

[Pliablemoose]

And people wonder why there cannot be peace in the Middle East?

MotionMan

Selected as the best answer...


I mean seriously, it's an ad. If customers are so unsophisticated as to take all ads on TV as truth, they deserve what they get.

Most (and I mean most, not posters here) iPhone owners aren't terribly sophisticated, and aren't aware of their phone's potential or what else is out there in the marketplace. That's not a horrible thing and it's pretty typical of consumers, they want the best experience at the best price. When they buy an iPhone, it does "just work" without a bunch of tinkering. I prefer Android OS'd devices at the moment, and my Android devices are pretty seriously modified by the time I have them modded to where I'm happy.

I mean really, do you-all think the "average" iPhone owner would be cool with hacking a day old device and installing custom firmware on it? That would be a resounding no.

A lot of you-all are doing the equivalent of comparing a modded muscle car to a BMW 7 series, I love my muscle car, but can appreciate that someone has a Bimmer and likes it stock.

One thing we can at least all agree on is that BB's suck :biggrin:

 

[Deeko]

One thing we can at least all agree on is that BB's suck :biggrin:

Some day you'll turn that magical age of 7....some day.

 

[dguy6789]

In other news, a commercial attempts to convince people to buy something and may potentially be somewhat misleading. There will be more on this after the break.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Some day you'll turn that magical age of 7....some day.

What exactly is it like in your alternate universe deeko?


http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/JDPAContent/CorpComm/News/content/Releases/pdf/2011030-wrhs.pdf

In mine, coming in dead last is a problem, but hey, I'm just a hater.

Oh wait, RIM is aware they suck and they have a magic new tablet coming out that will redefine tablets , and those new phones that will redefine phones are coming soon too. Lazardis and Dvorak ought to get together, they both seem to have a complete lack of understanding of mobile technology...

"We decided the tablet market was still in its infancy, it hasn't really taken off yet," <--- Lazirdis evidently immediately after taking a hit off a crack pipe.

Give me a break...

 

[Deeko]

What exactly is it like in your alternate universe deeko?


http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/JDPAContent/CorpComm/News/content/Releases/pdf/2011030-wrhs.pdf

In mine, coming in dead last is a problem, but hey, I'm just a hater.

Oh wait, RIM is aware they suck and they have a magic new tablet coming out that will redefine tablets , and those new phones that will redefine phones are coming soon too. Lazardis and Dvorak ought to get together, they both seem to have a complete lack of understanding of mobile technology...

"We decided the tablet market was still in its infancy, it hasn't really taken off yet," <--- Lazirdis evidently immediately after taking a hit off a crack pipe.

Give me a break...

You missed the point, trollerstein.

The point is that you are a blatant, obvious, pathetic troll. You must think you're "tricky" or something, under the guise of trying to "unite" people with that comment, when everyone with a functioning brain knew that you were just trying to pick another fight.

Seriously - your mental state is five years old, tops.

 

[Pliablemoose]

You missed the point, trollerstein.

The point is that you are a blatant, obvious, pathetic troll. You must think you're "tricky" or something, under the guise of trying to "unite" people with that comment, when everyone with a functioning brain knew that you were just trying to pick another fight.

Seriously - your mental state is five years old, tops.

I was joking. I have plenty of opportunities to argue about many other subjects I actually give a damn about. At the moment I don't even own any Apple stock, we can argue about CAT if you'd like. Mr. Market will be attending to RIM in the next few months...

Insult me all you want, still doesn't change the metrics, dead last, deeko, dead last.

 

[Deeko]

Insult me all you want, still doesn't change the metrics, dead last, deeko, dead last.

You are practically on your knees begging me, kid. You've done it before. In the thread about the RIM marketing officer, you tried...over and over again...to draw me into a completely off-topic argument about why you hate the Playbook. Sadly for you, I wouldn't bite. Now, you're at it again, trying over and over again to draw me into a debate about why you don't like Blackberry, in a thread about Apple's advertisements.

You're so desparate to troll this forum, its not even funny. Seriously, its pathetic.

 

[Pliablemoose]

snip...

Dude, I was joking, please just let it slide. It was a bit of humor at RIM's expense, they're not going bankrupt, they're not getting sold, etcm they're doing quite well in fact, just be happy and look forward to your free PlayBook.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Dude, I was joking, please just let it slide. It was a bit of humor at RIM's expense, they're not going bankrupt, they're not getting sold, etcm they're doing quite well in fact, just be happy and look forward to your free PlayBook.

Are you though? You posted the same trollesque verbiage in reply to a post regarding the 'age' of the iPhone 4. In fact, you posted it twice in there as nobody listened, then you post it here, a thread about apple ads, not anything RIM related. If that's not pathetic trolling incarnate then nothing is.

Grow up. Seriously.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I had a well reasoned response to DBZ posted, then realized how off topic this thread has become, remembered that DBZ's wife works for Apple.

 

[MotionMan]

This just in: It is universally recognized that BMW is the ultimate driving machine.

Wait? That's not true?

LIARS!!!!!!

(or something like that.)

MotionMan

 

[Deeko]

Like I've already said - that's an example of subjective, or opinion, based advertising. Companies can skew that all they want...and as you're so eager to point out, they do. That is a different story, and its very easy to understand why.

 

[poofyhairguy]

To me these ads show the maturity of Apple products.

A few years ago, during the iPod and PowerPC era, Apple products were the domain of the young and the hip. Sure other people bought them, but it was obvious that they weren't the target market- teenagers and twenty-somethings were the target. Younger folks could more easily adapt to OSX not being Windows (since they don't need to run X business app for their livelihood), and younger folks were more able to fill the iPods with stolen music.

Then the iPhone hit, and suddenly Apple has a device that was actually useful to the baby boomer generation. They took up the iPhone in droves, then they took up the iPad.

In a way this market is perfect for Apple- they have tons of money to spend (compared to the previous target market) and the entire generation is doing the best they can to "stay cool" and not get old in the face of that obvious eventuality. Apple comes to them with a magic device that even the young and cool still like, yet older people can understand what it is used for.

And so we have gone from Apple commercials where people danced in odd ways to hip music, to iPad commercials showing what it can actually do. This is aimed directly at the baby boomers, as they have trouble visualizing technology like younger generations do.

The end result is that Apple has transformed into one of the biggest companies around, and thousands (millions?) of baby boomers are buying iPads to read books! Now to us, the knowledgeable geeks, the idea of using an iPad as a glorified Kindle hurts but for Apple its a mad dash to the bank.

I personally realized the genius of this strategy when my father-in-law bought an iPad. When they told him it needed a PC to sync with, instead of looking elsewhere (since he lacked a computer) he bought a low-end iMac just to get the iPad going. That iMac might not have been used since the initial sync, but the fact that he was so willing to drop $2k to have an iPad shows the long term benefit baby boomers can bring...

 

[runawayprisoner]

Like I've already said - that's an example of subjective, or opinion, based advertising. Companies can skew that all they want...and as you're so eager to point out, they do. That is a different story, and its very easy to understand why.

And Apple's opinions are subjective as well. So when other companies falsify something, they are not liars, but when Apple falsify something, they are liars?

When did they become the spokesman of truth? Or is there a law that specifically forbids Apple from lying like any other company?

 

[Deeko]

And Apple's opinions are subjective as well. So when other companies falsify something, they are not liars, but when Apple falsify something, they are liars?

When did they become the spokesman of truth? Or is there a law that specifically forbids Apple from lying like any other company?

Some of them are. The statement that you don't have your favorite books in your pocket if you don't have an iPhone is not subjective. It is outright false advertising.

Listen - you can say its not a big deal if you want. I might disagree, but that's fine. However, to actually try to claim that Apple isn't lying with that statement is just dishonest of you as well. Just admit it and move on.

 

[MotionMan]

Some of them are. The statement that you don't have your favorite books in your pocket if you don't have an iPhone is not subjective. It is outright false advertising.

If you are not driving a BMW, then you are not driving the ultimate driving machine.

You have failed to show a difference between one "lie" versus another.

MotionMan

 

[Deeko]

If you are not driving a BMW, then you are not driving the ultimate driving machine.

You have failed to show a difference between one "lie" versus another.

MotionMan

Read harder next time...yes I did. Hell, I even pointed out the difference in the post you were quoting.

See, here's the thing.

There's facts ("the iphone 4 has the highest resolution screen in a smartphone ever", this is an absolute, verifiable fact).

There's opinion ("the droid is fast")

With the latter, you can bend the truth, you can put marketing spin, everyone does it, whatever. With the former, you cannot. Its either true, or its not. And frankly - its illegal. I don't know why you guys are so ok with false advertising.

Calling something "ultimate" or the "best" is subjective. I can claim something is the best that you don't think is the best.

However, you cannot claim that without an iPhone, you don't have your books in your pocket. Just like Blackberry couldn't claim they have the highest resolution screen, or Microsoft couldn't claim WP7 has the most apps.

This really isn't hard.

 

[MotionMan]

Read harder next time...yes I did. Hell, I even pointed out the difference in the post you were quoting.



Calling something "ultimate" or the "best" is subjective. I can claim something is the best that you don't think is the best.

However, you cannot claim that without an iPhone, you don't have your books in your pocket. Just like Blackberry couldn't claim they have the highest resolution screen, or Microsoft couldn't claim WP7 has the most apps.

This really isn't hard.

Isn't the word "favorite" subjective, too?

BTW, the words "ultimate" or the "best" are used as subjective in marketing, but are, in reality, are not subjective, unless qualified as so:

"This is the best medication for that illness." - Objective
"This is the best medication for that illness in my opinion." - Subjective

MotionMan

 

[Deeko]

Isn't the word "favorite" subjective, too?

Apple could try to make that claim if iBooks had a bigger selection than, say, the Kindle, or if most people used iBooks...but that's not the case.

They can make more of a case for it with the iPod and iTunes commercials because they dominte those markets. They can make a more legitimate assumption that your music library is in fact iPod/iTunes linked. They can't make a claim like that with iBooks.

BTW, the words "ultimate" or the "best" are used as subjective in marketing, but are, in reality, are not subjective, unless qualified as so:

"This is the best medication for that illness." - Objective
"This is the best medication for that illness in my opinion." - Subjective

MotionMan

Not really, because the first statement isn't qualified either. Best for what? Especially regarding the BMW one - there are a lot of factors that could make one think a car is "ultimate", and those factors change from person to person - and by NOT qualifying exactly what they're talking about, the statement does in fact become subjective.