Anyone see Apple's new Ads?

[zerocool84]

We're still going on with this stupid thread? It's an advertisement, get over it.

 

[MotionMan]

Apple could try to make that claim if iBooks had a bigger selection than, say, the Kindle, or if most people used iBooks...but that's not the case.

They can make more of a case for it with the iPod and iTunes commercials because they dominte those markets. They can make a more legitimate assumption that your music library is in fact iPod/iTunes linked. They can't make a claim like that with iBooks.



Not really, because the first statement isn't qualified either. Best for what? Especially regarding the BMW one - there are a lot of factors that could make one think a car is "ultimate", and those factors change from person to person - and by NOT qualifying exactly what they're talking about, the statement does in fact become subjective.

I understand the problem now:

You have no idea what you are talking about. Is English your second language?

/thread

MotionMan

 

[Deeko]

I understand the problem now:

You have no idea what you are talking about. Is English your second language?

/thread

MotionMan

Ahh, good point. So you made one effort to actually debate (after posting over and over again without actually responding), and then you quickly gave up, and resorted to insults.

Bravo, fanboy, you really proved your point well by not making it at all.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

We're still going on with this stupid thread? It's an advertisement, get over it.

But it's an Apple advertisement...

 

[MotionMan]

Ahh, good point. So you made one effort to actually debate (after posting over and over again without actually responding), and then you quickly gave up, and resorted to insults.

Bravo, fanboy, you really proved your point well by not making it at all.

You seem sad that you won and argument on the internet (by using your superior lack of knowledge of the English language).

Next time I will take the time to crush your arguments completely, but I am just to tired and bored with you right now.

Better luck next time.

Oh, and congratulations!!!

MotionMan

 

[Deeko]

You seem sad that you won and argument on the internet (by using your superior lack of knowledge of the English language).

Next time I will take the time to crush your arguments completely, but I am just to tired and bored with you right now.

Better luck next time.

Oh, and congratulations!!!

MotionMan

*yawn* Keep up the insults, all the while not actually debating the point. Everyone here knows very well that if you actually had a response, you'd make it. The fact that you are trying to say otherwise actually explains your position quite well - you don't understand why Apple can be viewed as dishonest here because you are also a dishonest person.

I'm glad I helped you reach this revelation. You're welcome, Motion Man.

 

[pm]

Fewer insults and more on-topic posts please. Debating the truthiness of advertising is a valid topic, attacking the posters is not. The thread is good enough in the beginning but the last dozen or so posts are starting to crank up my lock-o-meter. No more insults please or I'll lock the thread.

Moderator PM

 

[MotionMan]

*yawn* Keep up the insults, all the while not actually debating the point.

You mean the way you failed to answer my question?

Everyone here knows very well that if you actually had a response, you'd make it.

Is that a subjective or objective statement?

The fact that you are trying to say otherwise actually explains your position quite well - you don't understand why Apple can be viewed as dishonest here because you are also a dishonest person.

You should be careful who you call dishonest.

In any event, it has already been explained to you quite clearly why the Apple ad is no different than any other form of advertising (or marketing). For whatever reason (lack of intelligence, anti-Apple bias, etc.), you cannot quite grasp the concept.

MotionMan

EDIT: Did not see PM's post before I posted this.

 

[Deeko]

You mean the way you failed to answer my question?

Which question? About about if English is my second language? No, its not. About whether or not "favorite" is subjective? I did respond to that, as unlike many other posters, I've actually tried to keep this discussion about the ads in question.

You should be careful who you call dishonest.

haha have you now devolved from e-insulting to passively e-threatening? Nice work.

In any event, it has already been explained to you quite clearly why the Apple ad is no different than any other form of advertising (or marketing). For whatever reason (lack of intelligence, anti-Apple bias, etc.), you cannot quite grasp the concept.

MotionMan

Not really. While I'll give you credit for being the first person to actually respond to the rational of true/false statements in advertising vs opinions, you still haven't proven your point. If your defense is "Apple can lie, because I think BMW lies too", well, that's a pretty poor quality defense.

Amusing that you're passively tossing in more insults about my intelligence, too.

 

[MotionMan]

haha have you now devolved from e-insulting to passively e-threatening? Nice work.

I do both equally well. I can backup the e-threats, too.

Not really. While I'll give you credit for being the first person to actually respond to the rational of true/false statements in advertising vs opinions, you still haven't proven your point. If your defense is "Apple can lie, because I think BMW lies too", well, that's a pretty poor quality defense.

You believe that Apple lied, but that BMW does not? So it is a universal truth that BMW is the ultimate driving machine?

Amusing that you're passively tossing in more insults about my intelligence, too.

It was not meant to be passive.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

This thread is great for my post count.

MotionMan

 

[Deeko]

I do both equally well. I can backup the e-threats, too.

Oh good. I'm terrified, really. Big bad Motion Man is going to get me.

You believe that Apple lied, but that BMW does not? So it is a universal truth that BMW is the ultimate driving machine?

Why are my thoughts on BMW at all relevant to this thread? The thread isn't about whether or not BMW's slogan is misleading or false. Do you hold BMW to some magical standard that if its ok for them to do something, that its ok for everyone? Go start a thread in The Garage if you want to talk about that.

Deflecting from a statement that Apple said something untrue by claiming someone else also did the same does not actually defend Apple's actions. I believe pre schoolers are taught "two wrongs don't make a right".

It was not meant to be passive.

Wonderful. Well, let me assure you - I do not have a lack of intelligence, and I have a strong command of the English language. I hope you sleep better tonight now that you've had one question answered.

 

[MotionMan]

Oh good. I'm terrified, really. Big bad Motion Man is going to get me.

If you only knew.

Why are my thoughts on BMW at all relevant to this thread? The thread isn't about whether or not BMW's slogan is misleading or false. Do you hold BMW to some magical standard that if its ok for them to do something, that its ok for everyone? Go start a thread in The Garage if you want to talk about that.

Deflecting from a statement that Apple said something untrue by claiming someone else also did the same does not actually defend Apple's actions. I believe pre schoolers are taught "two wrongs don't make a right".

You do not have a problem with BMW lying, but you seem to have a HUGE hard-on regarding Apple's alleged lie. All I am doing is pointing your bias against Apple which clearly is clouding your ability to discuss this subject rationally.

What you seem to be saying is that you do not care if anyone else lies, like BMW, but Apple cannot be allowed to get away with it.

Wonderful. Well, let me assure you - I do not have a lack of intelligence, and I have a strong command of the English language. I hope you sleep better tonight now that you've had one question answered.

it is a start, at least. Let's see how the rest of the thread goes before we jump to any conclusions.

So, one more time, one question at a time so no one gets confused:

Do you believe that BMW lies in their advertising by calling BMW the ultimate driving machine?

MotionMan

 

[Deeko]

You do not have a problem with BMW lying, but you seem to have a HUGE hard-on regarding Apple's alleged lie. All I am doing is pointing your bias against Apple which clearly is clouding your ability to discuss this subject rationally.

What you seem to be saying is that you do not care if anyone else lies, like BMW, but Apple cannot be allowed to get away with it.

This thread isn't about anyone else. Weren't we already warned to stay on topic? And isn't that what I've been doing? Why should my thoughts on BMW be at all relevant here?

it is a start, at least. Let's see how the rest of the thread goes before we jump to any conclusions.

Ahh, yes, All Hail MotionMan, threatener of forum posters, decrier of intelligence! Heed his words, for they are mighty!

So, one more time, one question at a time so no one gets confused:

Do you believe that BMW lies in their advertising by calling BMW the ultimate driving machine?

MotionMan

It is irrelevant to this thread. Go post a topic on this in the garage, complaining about BMW's false advertising, and if you're so lucky, I'll respond. Stick to the topic it hand, which is whether or not it is false advertising for Apple to claim that without the iPhone, you don't have your favorite books in your pocket.

Other than one quick blurb about whether or not I think "Favorite" is subjective, you've ignored that topic entirely. All you're doing is insulting and talking about BMW, neither of which has anything to do with this thread.

 

[MotionMan]

Ahh, yes, All Hail MotionMan, threatener of forum posters, decrier of intelligence! Heed his words, for they are mighty!

I'm glad I helped you reach this revelation. You're welcome.

[/QUOTEIt is irrelevant to this thread. Go post a topic on this in the garage, complaining about BMW's false advertising, and if you're so lucky, I'll respond. Stick to the topic it hand, which is whether or not it is false advertising for Apple to claim that without the iPhone, you don't have your favorite books in your pocket.

Other than one quick blurb about whether or not I think "Favorite" is subjective, you've ignored that topic entirely. All you're doing is insulting and talking about BMW, neither of which has anything to do with this thread.[/QUOTE]

Your views on BMW's advertising is directly relevant to our discussion. The fact that you are avoiding answering the question only goes to show that you ARE bias against Apple, that you believe other companies can lie without incurring your wrath and, thus, your opinion on the subject is worthless.

Now, if you want to try again, please provide the answer to my question (BTW, the first in a long series of questions that will lead to you either being proven a bias Apple-hater or being proven a liar):

Do you believe that BMW lies in their advertising by calling BMW the ultimate driving machine?

MotionMan

 

[pm]

Locked. Take it to PM's, guys. Or better yet, drop it.