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Interesting or damning... not sure yet. It is definitely not PC in any sense, no sugar coated "islam means peace". Or that jihad is only an eternal struggle ignoring the existence of lesser jihad of external war against infidels. and he deals with the idea of equivalency with other religions on many points as undefendable. the myth that Islam in the past was tolerant towards other religions etc. That unlike jesus or Buddha Mohammed was more of a king/prophet/military commander that never shrank from bloodshed and used religion for power.
Heres the book and an editorial review
some interesting quotes from just the first part of the book. theres far more explanation in the book so don't think the qoutes are all thats there, but this is just a forum, i can't post the entire thing
"Like the Bible, the Qur'an asserts its own divine authority. But whereas Jews and Christians regard the biblical text as the words of devinely inspired human authors, Muslims regard the Qur'an, which means "The Recitation," as the eternal words of Allah himself. Thus, Muhammad is the conduit for God's words, not their composer."
the Qur'an is valid for all time, so very inflexible to change. hard to argue with.
which basically makes it very hard for moderates to make cases against extremism since it has plainly written support for many things that are hard to support. plus he explains how its not just dogma, but a way of life, laws etc. hard to question.
stuff like
"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. hell shall be their home:an evil fate"(sura 9:73)
"The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan"(Sura4:76)
"When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.(Sura47:4)
"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go on their way. God is forgiving and merciful (Sura9:5)
"Muhammad is Gods Apostle. Those who folow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"(Sura 48:29)
""He that leaves his dwelling to fight for God and His Apostle and is then overtaken by death, shall be rewarded by God"(Sura 4:100)
"In one celebrated incident among the many in which Muhammed lashed out violently against his opponents, he took his revenge on two poets: Abu Afak, a man who was reputed to be over one hundred years old, and Asma Binr Marwan, a woman. These poets were not just entertainers. Their verses ridiculing Muhammad and his new religion were, in his eyes, costing him prestige and followers. When Muhammad had enough, he cried out, "Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan? One of his followers, Umayr ibn Adi, went to her house that night and found her sleeping next to her children. The youngest, a nursing babe, was in her arms. But that didn't stop Umayr! Abu Afak was also killed in his sleep, In response to the Prophet's question, "who will avenge on this scoundrel?"
Ayatollah Khomeini, ?Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of other countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world?.But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world?.Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter. Does this mean sitting back until they overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other psalms and Hadiths urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who would make such a claim.?
Ah the pleasures of the flesh?
The righteous ?shall recline on couches lined with thick brocade?.Therein are bashful virgins whom neither man or jinee will have touched before?.Virgins as fair as coral and rubies?(Sura55:54,56,58)
?Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave-girls whom God has given you as booty; the daughters of your paternal and maternal uncles and of your paternal and maternal aunts who fled with you: and any believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom the Prophet wishes to take in marriage. This privilege is yours alone, being granted to no other believer.?(Sura 33:50)
one wife was 9yrs old.
?To women whom you choose in temporary and conditional marriage, give their dowry, as a duty?(Sura 4:24)
in other words temporary marriage? Booty for money hehe
?Forbidden to you are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your paternal and maternal aunts?.Also married women, except those whom you own as slaves. Such is the decree of God?(Sura 4:23-24)
?Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles around their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and burnt in the fires of Hell?(Sura 40:71)
?They that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.? (Sura 4:56)
?Take in marriage those among you who are single and those of your male and female slaves who are honest? (Sura 24:32)
?Blessed are the believers, who are humbled in their prayers; who avoid profane talk, and give alms to the destitute; who restrain their carnal desires(except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them)?(Sura 5:89)
?Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them?(Sura 4:34)
?Women are your fields, go then, into your fields whence you please?(Sura 2:223)
?Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses; so that if either of them commit an error, the other will remember? (Sura 2:282)
?Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them? (Sura 4:34)
it goes on and on...
Heres the book and an editorial review
some interesting quotes from just the first part of the book. theres far more explanation in the book so don't think the qoutes are all thats there, but this is just a forum, i can't post the entire thing
"Like the Bible, the Qur'an asserts its own divine authority. But whereas Jews and Christians regard the biblical text as the words of devinely inspired human authors, Muslims regard the Qur'an, which means "The Recitation," as the eternal words of Allah himself. Thus, Muhammad is the conduit for God's words, not their composer."
the Qur'an is valid for all time, so very inflexible to change. hard to argue with.
which basically makes it very hard for moderates to make cases against extremism since it has plainly written support for many things that are hard to support. plus he explains how its not just dogma, but a way of life, laws etc. hard to question.
stuff like
"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. hell shall be their home:an evil fate"(sura 9:73)
"The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan"(Sura4:76)
"When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.(Sura47:4)
"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go on their way. God is forgiving and merciful (Sura9:5)
"Muhammad is Gods Apostle. Those who folow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"(Sura 48:29)
""He that leaves his dwelling to fight for God and His Apostle and is then overtaken by death, shall be rewarded by God"(Sura 4:100)
"In one celebrated incident among the many in which Muhammed lashed out violently against his opponents, he took his revenge on two poets: Abu Afak, a man who was reputed to be over one hundred years old, and Asma Binr Marwan, a woman. These poets were not just entertainers. Their verses ridiculing Muhammad and his new religion were, in his eyes, costing him prestige and followers. When Muhammad had enough, he cried out, "Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan? One of his followers, Umayr ibn Adi, went to her house that night and found her sleeping next to her children. The youngest, a nursing babe, was in her arms. But that didn't stop Umayr! Abu Afak was also killed in his sleep, In response to the Prophet's question, "who will avenge on this scoundrel?"
Ayatollah Khomeini, ?Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of other countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world?.But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world?.Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter. Does this mean sitting back until they overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other psalms and Hadiths urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who would make such a claim.?
Ah the pleasures of the flesh?
The righteous ?shall recline on couches lined with thick brocade?.Therein are bashful virgins whom neither man or jinee will have touched before?.Virgins as fair as coral and rubies?(Sura55:54,56,58)
?Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave-girls whom God has given you as booty; the daughters of your paternal and maternal uncles and of your paternal and maternal aunts who fled with you: and any believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom the Prophet wishes to take in marriage. This privilege is yours alone, being granted to no other believer.?(Sura 33:50)
one wife was 9yrs old.
?To women whom you choose in temporary and conditional marriage, give their dowry, as a duty?(Sura 4:24)
in other words temporary marriage? Booty for money hehe
?Forbidden to you are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your paternal and maternal aunts?.Also married women, except those whom you own as slaves. Such is the decree of God?(Sura 4:23-24)
?Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles around their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and burnt in the fires of Hell?(Sura 40:71)
?They that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.? (Sura 4:56)
?Take in marriage those among you who are single and those of your male and female slaves who are honest? (Sura 24:32)
?Blessed are the believers, who are humbled in their prayers; who avoid profane talk, and give alms to the destitute; who restrain their carnal desires(except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them)?(Sura 5:89)
?Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them?(Sura 4:34)
?Women are your fields, go then, into your fields whence you please?(Sura 2:223)
?Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses; so that if either of them commit an error, the other will remember? (Sura 2:282)
?Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them? (Sura 4:34)
it goes on and on...
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