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Anyone planing to go to the NYC Climate march?

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I booked a private plane and a stretch hummer to get there.

Also bringing lots of things to smoke to pass around.

Will be booking the penthouse sweet and cranking the AC for the after party.
 
Is this climate change march on 9th Avenue in Chelsea? My wife and I were heading to the Apple store when we saw a cop on every block on 9th Avenue and all these coach buses there.
 
No, won't be going. I never put a lot of effort into getting someone else to do something that I don't want to do myself.
 
Estimated crowd of 310,000 participated in the worlds largest climate march in history. This follows similar events in 166 countries including Britain,
France, Afghanistan and Bulgaria. Organizers did a good job bringing together folks from all different walks of life.
BTW this is just the beginning as they plan to ramp up the pressure with larger events.

From Melbourne to Manhattan: thousands join global protests for action on climate change

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/09/21/new-york-climate-march-attracts-over-310000-people/

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Nice to see the Americans and the rest of the world get up off
their cynical ass and try and accomplish something.

Guardians slideshow
 
Thebobo said:
your trolling powers are weak.
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Let me clue you into something here: people who disagree with you are not trolls, just intelligent.


This is a meaningless demonstration of powerless people to combat a fake problem that they don't understand. A bunch of idiots walking down a street don't accomplish anything. They don't have money, influence, a plan to do anything even if they did have the ability to enact change or even a tiny shred of knowledge of whether change would be a good thing or a disaster. And anyone who views this demonstration with anything other than howls of derisive laughter is clueless. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying NOTHING.
 
I might have gone if it had been in my city, but not if I'd be going alone. Of course that does mean I wouldn't be going no matter where it's held.

Gag your argument isn't specific to this march or its agenda, it's a general argument against democracy. Why do you hate democracy?
 
GagHalfrunt said:
Let me clue you into something here: people who disagree with you are not trolls, just intelligent.


This is a meaningless demonstration of powerless people to combat a fake problem that they don't understand. A bunch of idiots walking down a street don't accomplish anything. They don't have money, influence, a plan to do anything even if they did have the ability to enact change or even a tiny shred of knowledge of whether change would be a good thing or a disaster. And anyone who views this demonstration with anything other than howls of derisive laughter is clueless. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying NOTHING.
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I asked that the climate Change debate not be discussed in this thread. Please restrain yourself.

Thank you
 
Ruptga said:
I might have gone if it had been in my city, but not if I'd be going alone. Of course that does mean I wouldn't be going no matter where it's held.

Gag your argument isn't specific to this march or its agenda, it's a general argument against democracy. Why do you hate democracy?
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Mostly specific to this march and its agenda. Although I do have some objections to democracy which is that its generally practiced most vociferously by idiots who have no idea what they're trying to accomplish. Which, in a nutshell, sums up this march and its agenda.

The Earth has been undergoing climate change since day one. It's gone from a hothouse to a snowball and back again with wild swings of population explosions and mass die offs. Nobody, not even the idiots backing this agenda, can argue that. The climate change was necessary to us being here. If the Earth was locked in stasis mankind couldn't exist. Nobody can argue that. The periods when the Earth has been hotter than average have been the best for life, that's when the population blooms occur. The periods when the Earth was cooler than average were marked by mass die offs and extinctions. Nobody can argue that although the radical left supporting this march and its agenda try really hard to bury that fact. The climate is changing every day and it's changing right now. Nobody on either side can argue that. The subject up for debate is what we're doing to cause it (nobody really knows), whether we can possibly change it (nobody knows) and whether we should try or whether that couldd cause the biggest ecological clusterfuck of all time.

But lets say that this idiotic march and its poorly thought out agenda had merit and that you were elected the grand poobah of saving the earth. You had unlimited power and unlimited money. What would you do that could change the climate on a global scale and how can you be sure that whatever you do would gave the desired effect without tipping the Earth into an artificially created snowball phase or a Venus-like runaway greenhouse effect that will kill everything bigger than bacteria? Until you can answer that with certainty all you and the radical left are doing is blowing smoke and so far nobody has been able to answer it. THAT'S my objection to this march and its agenda. Not a single person on this planet has the slightest idea of what could be done or even if it should be done, so the idiots in the street are just that, IDIOTS. They're screaming about a problem that they don't understand, they're screaming about a problem that might not even be a problem at all, they're screaming without offering any real solutions and they're screaming without knowing whether a solution is even necessary. They're just out there marching without really knowing what they're marching for and it makes the march and its agenda a complete joke.

But go ahead, I really want to hear your solutions. Given unlimited power and money to "fix" the climate, what would you do that would guarantee not to make things worse?
 
GagHalfrunt said:
Let me clue you into something here: people who disagree with you are not trolls, just intelligent.


This is a meaningless demonstration of powerless people to combat a fake problem that they don't understand. A bunch of idiots walking down a street don't accomplish anything. They don't have money, influence, a plan to do anything even if they did have the ability to enact change or even a tiny shred of knowledge of whether change would be a good thing or a disaster. And anyone who views this demonstration with anything other than howls of derisive laughter is clueless. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying NOTHING.
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I was with you until the fake problem part. Also, change a good thing or disaster? The fuck?
 
Thebobo said:
I asked that the climate Change debate not be discussed in this thread. Please restrain yourself.

Thank you
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Fine, then without discussing climate change, tell me EXACTLY what these people are marching for, what they intend to accomplish and how they intend to accomplish it. What is their objective?
 
GagHalfrunt said:
Nobody can argue that.
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In a word, no. In two words, lol no. Also, you've decided to be a dick and ignore the request of the OP, but I'm just a little bit of a dick so I'm going to respond this once and drop it.

Your entire argument can be summed up as "I don't understand it, therefore it doesn't work that way". That's a formal fallacy, and has no bearing on the facts of the matter; there is no climate change debate in scientific circles, it's purely a debate of public policy. But I'm getting ahead of myself.

You sound like a creationist in the way that you argue that Earth had to go through all those climate variations exactly to produce us. It didn't. Things would have turned out differently, sure, but there's nothing magic or special or sacred about Earth's climate changes.

Humanity has already survived several climate changes, which is great if all you're interested in is survival. Natural climate change almost certainly Nobody can argue that. [/QUOTE]"]caused the collapse of the Indus valley civilization. We're a lot bigger than one valley now, but that doesn't mean that fertile areas going arid and arid areas flooding won't put some hurt on us. To say that we should ignore what's happening because it's natural is a double fail, because that's wrong and natural events are perfectly capable of killing us.

Which brings us to man-made climate change. It's a thing, it's extremely well-documented and the only people that reject it are (willfully) ignorant and/or aluminum foil hat wearing types. Fifteen years ago the case for anthropogenic climate change was decent, but these days it's absolutely conclusive. Our science doesn't understand all of how things are happening, but it's quite clear that they are happening.

I am not a climate scientist, and I only have a passing interest in it, and though that's a hell of a lot more than most people have it isn't enough for me to tell you how things can be "fixed." Most likely there is no way to "fix" things, this isn't an episode of Star Trek here. What we do know is we can reduce future damage and improve current quality of life by responding to the way things are rather than the way we want them to be.

Some people have tossed around ideas like iron seeding to reduce atmospheric CO2, but personally I don't think we understand all the systems and processes involved well enough to commit to something like that. The day will come though, and when it does I hope this insipid "debate" will have run its course so we will be free to do whatever it is we need to do. In the mean time, measures like controlling the refrigerants we use, fuel economy standards, and limiting industrial emissions certainly won't hurt the environment or our collective health.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
Mostly specific to this march and its agenda. Although I do have some objections to democracy which is that its generally practiced most vociferously by idiots who have no idea what they're trying to accomplish. Which, in a nutshell, sums up this march and its agenda.

The Earth has been undergoing climate change since day one. It's gone from a hothouse to a snowball and back again with wild swings of population explosions and mass die offs. Nobody, not even the idiots backing this agenda, can argue that. The climate change was necessary to us being here. If the Earth was locked in stasis mankind couldn't exist. Nobody can argue that. The periods when the Earth has been hotter than average have been the best for life, that's when the population blooms occur. The periods when the Earth was cooler than average were marked by mass die offs and extinctions. Nobody can argue that although the radical left supporting this march and its agenda try really hard to bury that fact. The climate is changing every day and it's changing right now. Nobody on either side can argue that. The subject up for debate is what we're doing to cause it (nobody really knows), whether we can possibly change it (nobody knows) and whether we should try or whether that couldd cause the biggest ecological clusterfuck of all time.

But lets say that this idiotic march and its poorly thought out agenda had merit and that you were elected the grand poobah of saving the earth. You had unlimited power and unlimited money. What would you do that could change the climate on a global scale and how can you be sure that whatever you do would gave the desired effect without tipping the Earth into an artificially created snowball phase or a Venus-like runaway greenhouse effect that will kill everything bigger than bacteria? Until you can answer that with certainty all you and the radical left are doing is blowing smoke and so far nobody has been able to answer it. THAT'S my objection to this march and its agenda. Not a single person on this planet has the slightest idea of what could be done or even if it should be done, so the idiots in the street are just that, IDIOTS. They're screaming about a problem that they don't understand, they're screaming about a problem that might not even be a problem at all, they're screaming without offering any real solutions and they're screaming without knowing whether a solution is even necessary. They're just out there marching without really knowing what they're marching for and it makes the march and its agenda a complete joke.

But go ahead, I really want to hear your solutions. Given unlimited power and money to "fix" the climate, what would you do that would guarantee not to make things worse?
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Yes, most people know this. I haven't met anyone who thinks climate change is an issue that denies climate change over history or is trying to hide any such thing. You're seriously projecting a lot of ignorance when you don't even seem to know much yourself.

Nobody really knows? You're joking right? There's a ton known about the various mechanisms of climate change and ones that we absolutely know we are impacting. I can't even fathom how you can even say that. Talk about not knowing what you're talking about. No, it's pretty well a consensus (well at least from people that actually do know their stuff with regards to this) that we need to start doing something about it. Now what that something is is up for debate.

You seem to be confusing stuff like limiting emissions of various greenhouse gases and other pollutants and destruction of large forests (that help with things like carbon sequestration) with highly theoretical things like dumping certain elements into the ocean to adjust its chemistry (that as far as I know are not at anything resembling a serious consideration right now; and by that I mean undergoing modeling and serious study and being given actual serious thought about doing by any government, let alone by most which is what it would take in order to carry out).

More nonsense. See previous paragraph. Again, I can't even fathom how you think curbing emissions is something that is being debated as having massive negative consequences.

You are horribly misconstruing this topic. Seriously ridiculously bad. Like so bad, I have to ask if you've take any science class ever in your life. The discussion is not about "fixing" climate into some perfect San Diego level utopia, it's about limiting our role in it so as to not speed up any radical shifts in climate that would impact the living organisms on Earth that, yes, we realize happen with or without us. But we also realize we do impact it through various means, and one large one is by the amount of greenhouse gases we've poured and continue to pour (in ever growing amounts in fact) into the atmosphere. The stuff you're projecting are things that are only discussed in hypothetical scenarios of what might be possible given time and technology or desperation.

Right now, people are pushing for us to just limit our impact so that we can hopefully make things more gradual so that we can learn more about it and what we can do about it.

The reality is, that in the near term we need to start considering what we need to do to adapt to a climate that could change significantly, possibly bringing with it strong weather phenomena. We need to start considering how to protect our cities from rising sea levels and potential storms. We need to think about what we will do if weather changes to our food producing regions changes. We need to think about what pollution in the environment will do to us.

There's obviously a lot more to this (go read Ars if you want leads on more hard science aspects of this), but at least will you stop projecting ignorance onto others while espousing your own.
 
In all honesty, this march will not accomplish anything. By next week it will be a distant memory and business as usual.

If you really want change, you have to get within the system, and in positions of power in order to be able to make a change.
 
Hugo Drax said:
In all honesty, this march will not accomplish anything. By next week it will be a distant memory and business as usual.

If you really want change, you have to get within the system, and in positions of power in order to be able to make a change.
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How are we to do that if not by making our opinions known, and voting?
 
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