Anyone own or know anything about this PSU?

[TheSpy007]

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817703005

It has 1 12v rail @ 49A.

Would this be sufficent for core2, 2 sata HDs, 2 optical drives, and SLI/Crossfire.

 

[DaveSimmons]

PC Power & Cooling is one of the oldest American PSU companies and has been selling premium PSUs since the mid-80's: home page

They are well-respected and pretty much invented the idea of branded PSUs, but are not recommended much here because Fortron is a better value in the low end and Seasonic is a better value in the midrange.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
They are well-respected and pretty much invented the idea of branded PSUs, but are not recommended much here because Fortron is a better value in the low end and Seasonic is a better value in the midrange.

ROFL

They're "not recommended much here" because, oddly enough, people have no trouble spending $2000 on a new rig but consider $200 for a top quality power supply to be "too expensive".

PS Fortron is not all that great anymore either. Seasonic is OK (not sure I'd call it mid range) but nowhere near PC P&C quality or performance.

 

[Bobthelost]

Since seasonic make some of the PCP&C lines i'd give them the benifit of the doubt Pabster.

It's a nice PSU and no mistake, it's also a waste of money.

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
They are well-respected and pretty much invented the idea of branded PSUs, but are not recommended much here because Fortron is a better value in the low end and Seasonic is a better value in the midrange.

ROFL

They're "not recommended much here" because, oddly enough, people have no trouble spending $2000 on a new rig but consider $200 for a top quality power supply to be "too expensive".

PS Fortron is not all that great anymore either. Seasonic is OK (not sure I'd call it mid range) but nowhere near PC P&C quality or performance.

PCP&C might have better specs but Seasonic is about as good as it gets in terms of build quality.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
It's a nice PSU and no mistake, it's also a waste of money.

Right.

Tell that to the poor sap whose "bargain" power supply took out his motherboard, CPU, and a few other components

PC P&C offers the best warranty, real tech support (not some India agent), and if you ever had a failure, they'll overnight a new one. Try getting any of that from these other vendors.

You get exactly what you pay for.

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
It's a nice PSU and no mistake, it's also a waste of money.

Right.

Tell that to the poor sap whose "bargain" power supply took out his motherboard, CPU, and a few other components

PC P&C offers the best warranty, real tech support (not some India agent), and if you ever had a failure, they'll overnight a new one. Try getting any of that from these other vendors.

You get exactly what you pay for.

It's not a case of cheap PSU and then PCP&C, is it now?

Next day returns isn't all that impressive, the odds of a PSU going are slim if you buy a decent brand anyway. I've never needed to call tech support over a PSU and i doubt that's going to change.

The fact is that i'm yet to see a convincing numbers based arguement for why the PCP&C premium is worth paying.

You do get what you pay for, but epenis extension is not on my shopping list.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Next day returns isn't all that impressive, the odds of a PSU going are slim if you buy a decent brand anyway. I've never needed to call tech support over a PSU and i doubt that's going to change.

Ah, right. And OCZ offers next day turnaround too, right?

The fact is that i'm yet to see a convincing numbers based arguement for why the PCP&C premium is worth paying.

That's because you're only looking at the numbers in the price.

You do get what you pay for, but epenis extension is not on my shopping list.

Yeah, I always see people tout their power supply first in their rig list.

 

[Bobthelost]

Ok, so you spend an extra $100 on a PCP&C PSU instead of say a seasonic.

In the event of a PSU failure (remind me how common those are, what's that? Only a few percent!) this means that with PCP&C you may get your new shiny PSU back two or even three days faster. For $100 that you could have spent on the graphics card, CPU or monitor. Since it's unlikely for the PSU to die in the first place (i'll repeat this till you try and counter it) that's a rather stupid choice.

You think that next day shipping is worth $100? Value for money seems to have passed you by completely.

 

[rise]

LMAO. a bunch of PSU elitists around here that have little to no experience with any of the brands they so highly recommend.

just sticky jonnyG's thread already and be done with this nonsense.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
It's a nice PSU and no mistake, it's also a waste of money.

Right.

Tell that to the poor sap whose "bargain" power supply took out his motherboard, CPU, and a few other components

PC P&C offers the best warranty, real tech support (not some India agent), and if you ever had a failure, they'll overnight a new one. Try getting any of that from these other vendors.

You get exactly what you pay for.

It's not a case of cheap PSU and then PCP&C, is it now?

Next day returns isn't all that impressive, the odds of a PSU going are slim if you buy a decent brand anyway. I've never needed to call tech support over a PSU and i doubt that's going to change.

The fact is that i'm yet to see a convincing numbers based arguement for why the PCP&C premium is worth paying.

You do get what you pay for, but epenis extension is not on my shopping list.

If you know anything about electronics and open one up you'll see why it's worth paying so much.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: rise
just sticky jonnyG's thread already and be done with this nonsense.

Yeah, everyone ought to just go run on a $55 power supply...LOL

If using only the best for the most critical component of a rig is "a power supply elitist", so be it.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Ok, so you spend an extra $100 on a PCP&C PSU instead of say a seasonic.

In the event of a PSU failure (remind me how common those are, what's that? Only a few percent!) this means that with PCP&C you may get your new shiny PSU back two or even three days faster. For $100 that you could have spent on the graphics card, CPU or monitor. Since it's unlikely for the PSU to die in the first place (i'll repeat this till you try and counter it) that's a rather stupid choice.

You think that next day shipping is worth $100? Value for money seems to have passed you by completely.

If I have $2k of hardware in my system I have no trouble paying $100 more for a better PSU. I've seen many PSus die and I've had 7, yes I didn't mistype that number, 7 Seasonic PSUs come DOA. Not one after the other, but over the course of 5 years building PCs.

 

[PurdueRy]

The next time I build my PC will probably use a Seasonic or PCPnP power supply. I don't mind spending more on a part that keeps my computer running smoothly.

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
If you know anything about electronics and open one up you'll see why it's worth paying so much.

Not really, since the added cost of the components is a couple of $ (when there is a difference at all). If you knew anything about buisness or PSU manufacture and sales you'd know that already of course.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: rise
just sticky jonnyG's thread already and be done with this nonsense.

Yeah, everyone ought to just go run on a $55 power supply...LOL

If using only the best for the most critical component of a rig is "a power supply elitist", so be it.

see, heres an example. i don't even know what PSU you use because you aren't clever enough to link to your rig correctly. well done.

99.9% of the people here should be putting their $$ somewhere other than a pcp&c. i don't see where i advocated a $55 PSU but for most people, you can get a perfectly fine PSU in that range.

if you think different, tell someone why. just not me. it bores me.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
If you know anything about electronics and open one up you'll see why it's worth paying so much.

Not really, since the added cost of the components is a couple of $. If you knew anything about buisness or PSU manufacture and sales you'd know that already of course.

Unfortunately for you, you avoided reading what I said. Take a PCP&C TurboCool apart sometime and compare the parts used vs something like Antec. The difference is quite astounding.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: rise

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: rise
just sticky jonnyG's thread already and be done with this nonsense.

Yeah, everyone ought to just go run on a $55 power supply...LOL

If using only the best for the most critical component of a rig is "a power supply elitist", so be it.

see, heres an example. i don't even know what PSU you use because you aren't clever enough to link to your rig correctly. well done.

99.9% of the people here should be putting their $$ somewhere other than a pcp&c. i don't see where i advocated a $55 PSU but for most people, you can get a perfectly fine PSU in that range.

if you think different, tell someone why. just not me. it bores me.

Well, I've seen systems fail to run at stock with a supposed 500watt PSu because the rails were not stable. Get a better brand and a lower wattage and that problem goes away. It's a matter of build quality and quality components inside the PSU rather than name or reputation.

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
If you know anything about electronics and open one up you'll see why it's worth paying so much.

Not really, since the added cost of the components is a couple of $. If you knew anything about buisness or PSU manufacture and sales you'd know that already of course.

Unfortunately for you, you avoided reading what I said. Take a PCP&C TurboCool apart sometime and compare the parts used vs something like Antec. The difference is quite astounding.

No, perhaps you're the one having reading comprehension difficulties, so i'll repeat and expand:

Not really, since the added cost of the better quality components is a couple of $. If you knew anything about buisness or PSU manufacture and sales you'd know that already of course.

And who mentioned antec?

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: rise

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: rise
just sticky jonnyG's thread already and be done with this nonsense.

Yeah, everyone ought to just go run on a $55 power supply...LOL

If using only the best for the most critical component of a rig is "a power supply elitist", so be it.

see, heres an example. i don't even know what PSU you use because you aren't clever enough to link to your rig correctly. well done.

99.9% of the people here should be putting their $$ somewhere other than a pcp&c. i don't see where i advocated a $55 PSU but for most people, you can get a perfectly fine PSU in that range.

if you think different, tell someone why. just not me. it bores me.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=42&threadid=1715668&enterthread=y

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
If you know anything about electronics and open one up you'll see why it's worth paying so much.

Not really, since the added cost of the components is a couple of $. If you knew anything about buisness or PSU manufacture and sales you'd know that already of course.

Unfortunately for you, you avoided reading what I said. Take a PCP&C TurboCool apart sometime and compare the parts used vs something like Antec. The difference is quite astounding.

No, perhaps you're the one having reading comprehension difficulties, so i'll repeat and expand:

Not really, since the added cost of the better quality components is a couple of $. If you knew anything about buisness or PSU manufacture and sales you'd know that already of course.

And who mentioned antec?

It doesn't materr one damn bit if it's only a few dollars. the fact that other companies are cheap asses and use cheap caps that blow out components and fail means that I, and many people would rather buy something with a more solid electrocal foundation. Plain and simple.

Again when I'm spending $2jk already, I'll GLADLY spend an extra $100 on a good PSU that I know will not fail and has a superior build quality and warranty.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
It's a matter of build quality and quality components inside the PSU rather than name or reputation.

nothing to see here folks, move along.....

wait, just one more question.... so why pay a premium for those "names" and "reputation"?

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
It doesn't materr one damn bit if it's only a few dollars. the fact that other companies are cheap asses and use cheap caps that blow out components and fail means that I, and many people would rather buy something with a more solid electrocal foundation. Plain and simple.

Didn't someone open up a PCP&C to find the same cheap caps as in other brands?

You don't pay extra for the parts with PCP&C, you pay it for the warranty and the service. Fine and dandy but when i'm never going to make use of that service or that warranty i'll never waste my money on it.

And there i think I'll leave it otherwise we'll just end up chasing our tails for no real reason. I'm not going to convince you that PCP&C isn't worth the money and you're not going to do the reverse for me

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=42&threadid=1715668&enterthread=y

hey my sig works

 

[imported_RedStar]

i think the problem here is the suggestion that seasonic is junk ...when just about everything out there says seasonic is tier 2. (out of 5)