Anyone here think McCain will actually win?

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The American public is generally stupid, so I think Obama will win. I know enough about the potential pitfalls of polling that I think it's possible that McCain can win, but not very likely.

Well in my view, the stupid ones aren't the ones voting Obama

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anyone voting for Obama is dumb, that's certainly not the case, I'm just saying the damage McCain could do while in office is limited by the democratic congress. The damage Obama could do is essentially unlimited.

I take it you voted for Kerry in 2004, then?

Yes, as a matter of fact, I held my nose and did.

edit: and then, just like now, I wonder how the hell we allowed the political system to get so screwed up that we have such a limited choice between two lousy candidates.....

 

[DonaldC]

I know we've come a long way but I still think the polls are not truly reflecting the race factor. If the spread is not more than it is today it's going to be a close one.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The American public is generally stupid, so I think Obama will win. I know enough about the potential pitfalls of polling that I think it's possible that McCain can win, but not very likely.

Well in my view, the stupid ones aren't the ones voting Obama

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anyone voting for Obama is dumb, that's certainly not the case, I'm just saying the damage McCain could do while in office is limited by the democratic congress. The damage Obama could do is essentially unlimited.

This is evidence of the idiot wind blowing through America.

Your argument is essentially that we should elect McCain, even though he's a worse candidate, because he could be "reigned in" (gridlocked) by Congress.

Obama is a better candidate, period. If Congress gets out of control during his presidency, elect the GOP back into power in Congress in 2010.

We have 2 year windows to change power in Congress, but a 4 year window to elect the right man as President.

It's a bullshit argument, but McCain has come out with a lot of those in this final week.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The American public is generally stupid, so I think Obama will win. I know enough about the potential pitfalls of polling that I think it's possible that McCain can win, but not very likely.

Well in my view, the stupid ones aren't the ones voting Obama

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anyone voting for Obama is dumb, that's certainly not the case, I'm just saying the damage McCain could do while in office is limited by the democratic congress. The damage Obama could do is essentially unlimited.

This is evidence of the idiot wind blowing through America.

Your argument is essentially that we should elect McCain, even though he's a worse candidate, because he could be "reigned in" (gridlocked) by Congress.

Obama is a better candidate, period. If Congress gets out of control during his presidency, elect the GOP back into power in Congress in 2010.

We have 2 year windows to change power in Congress, but a 4 year window to elect the right man as President.

It's a bullshit argument, but McCain has come out with a lot of those in this final week.

No, you're misreading my argument. McCain is the better candidate regardless (IMO), but if you're one of the people who doesn't feel comfortable with Obama but yet doesn't want a repeat of the last 8 years, you can rest assured that there won't be such a repeat because McCain could not do the things Bush did (because of congress) even if he was so inclined. Under no circumstances do I think Obama is a better candidate, he's no more qualified than Palin.

 

[Tab]

Well, McCain currently has a 4/100 chance of winning according to fivethirtyeight and if I were him I'd just stop campaigning already.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Obama had a 2 point lead the day before the Ohio primary and lost by 10. A 12 point swing from the polls to the acutal vote count in one day.

I hope it's a clear win by either candidate, I don't want to see another fiasco like in 2000. Let's go back to the old days and make the losing candidate the VP.

Obama never had a lead in any Ohio poll. Pollster

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: aphex
Never underestimate the stupidity of Americans,

after all, they elected Bush in twice :beer:

Bolded for Truth

Correct, Dave is living proof.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Obama had a 2 point lead the day before the Ohio primary and lost by 10. A 12 point swing from the polls to the acutal vote count in one day.

I hope it's a clear win by either candidate, I don't want to see another fiasco like in 2000. Let's go back to the old days and make the losing candidate the VP.

Obama never had a lead in any Ohio poll. Pollster

:thumbsup: Thanks for the link!

As if we needed any more evidence that Alistar is full of shit.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
McCain is the better candidate regardless (IMO)

I stopped reading there.

See you next week

 

[nageov3t]

he "can" win.

it's not very likely.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The American public is generally stupid, so I think Obama will win. I know enough about the potential pitfalls of polling that I think it's possible that McCain can win, but not very likely.

Well in my view, the stupid ones aren't the ones voting Obama

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anyone voting for Obama is dumb, that's certainly not the case, I'm just saying the damage McCain could do while in office is limited by the democratic congress. The damage Obama could do is essentially unlimited.

I take it you voted for Kerry in 2004, then?

Yes, as a matter of fact, I held my nose and did.

edit: and then, just like now, I wonder how the hell we allowed the political system to get so screwed up that we have such a limited choice between two lousy candidates.....

I agree, I'm not sure why our political system has successfully locked us into two 'real choices'

However, I still have a problem with how much power the president maintains even when Congress is allied against him. I dislike McCain. More importantly, I dislike his temper and his eagerness to go to war with Iran.

While it's true that the president can't declare war without Congressional approval, it's also true that he can send troops anywhere in the world for up to 60 days. It wouldn't be difficult to stretch that time based on the concept of a dangerous withdrawal, which is what is giving us so much difficulty in getting troops out of Iraq. Presidents throughout history have ignored Congressional power without consequence; I trust McCain would not be afraid to do the same.

Typically when presidents want to send troops somewhere, they submit a report suggesting that their actions have not triggered the start of the 60 day period. Cute, no?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The American public is generally stupid, so I think Obama will win. I know enough about the potential pitfalls of polling that I think it's possible that McCain can win, but not very likely.

Well in my view, the stupid ones aren't the ones voting Obama

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anyone voting for Obama is dumb, that's certainly not the case, I'm just saying the damage McCain could do while in office is limited by the democratic congress. The damage Obama could do is essentially unlimited.

This is evidence of the idiot wind blowing through America.

Your argument is essentially that we should elect McCain, even though he's a worse candidate, because he could be "reigned in" (gridlocked) by Congress.

Obama is a better candidate, period. If Congress gets out of control during his presidency, elect the GOP back into power in Congress in 2010.

We have 2 year windows to change power in Congress, but a 4 year window to elect the right man as President.

It's a bullshit argument, but McCain has come out with a lot of those in this final week.

No, you're misreading my argument. McCain is the better candidate regardless (IMO), but if you're one of the people who doesn't feel comfortable with Obama but yet doesn't want a repeat of the last 8 years, you can rest assured that there won't be such a repeat because McCain could not do the things Bush did (because of congress) even if he was so inclined. Under no circumstances do I think Obama is a better candidate, he's no more qualified than Palin.

McCain is actually a far worse candidate.

 

[gevorg]

During Bush vs Gore and Bush vs Kerry campaigns, none of the candidates were as popular and favorite as Obama, so I would say Obama is likely to win and McCain is likely to loose. After 8 years of Bush failures, this should be the easiest campaign for Democrats.

 

[imported_Lothar]

If Truman could come from behind to defeat Dewey, anything is possible.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The American public is generally stupid, so I think Obama will win. I know enough about the potential pitfalls of polling that I think it's possible that McCain can win, but not very likely.

Well in my view, the stupid ones aren't the ones voting Obama

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anyone voting for Obama is dumb, that's certainly not the case, I'm just saying the damage McCain could do while in office is limited by the democratic congress. The damage Obama could do is essentially unlimited.

This is evidence of the idiot wind blowing through America.

Your argument is essentially that we should elect McCain, even though he's a worse candidate, because he could be "reigned in" (gridlocked) by Congress.

Obama is a better candidate, period. If Congress gets out of control during his presidency, elect the GOP back into power in Congress in 2010.

We have 2 year windows to change power in Congress, but a 4 year window to elect the right man as President.

It's a bullshit argument, but McCain has come out with a lot of those in this final week.

No, you're misreading my argument. McCain is the better candidate regardless (IMO), but if you're one of the people who doesn't feel comfortable with Obama but yet doesn't want a repeat of the last 8 years, you can rest assured that there won't be such a repeat because McCain could not do the things Bush did (because of congress) even if he was so inclined. Under no circumstances do I think Obama is a better candidate, he's no more qualified than Palin.

Obama can speak in complete sentences without sounding like a complete idiot, not a high standard, I admit...but apparently one Palin is having trouble with.

 

[CycloWizard]

Jack Daniels will win. I think I'll be drinking hard liquor for the first time in five years or so on election night. America loses either way. :disgust:

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The American public is generally stupid, so I think Obama will win. I know enough about the potential pitfalls of polling that I think it's possible that McCain can win, but not very likely.

Well in my view, the stupid ones aren't the ones voting Obama

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anyone voting for Obama is dumb, that's certainly not the case, I'm just saying the damage McCain could do while in office is limited by the democratic congress. The damage Obama could do is essentially unlimited.

This is evidence of the idiot wind blowing through America.

Your argument is essentially that we should elect McCain, even though he's a worse candidate, because he could be "reigned in" (gridlocked) by Congress.

Obama is a better candidate, period. If Congress gets out of control during his presidency, elect the GOP back into power in Congress in 2010.

We have 2 year windows to change power in Congress, but a 4 year window to elect the right man as President.

It's a bullshit argument, but McCain has come out with a lot of those in this final week.

No, you're misreading my argument. McCain is the better candidate regardless (IMO), but if you're one of the people who doesn't feel comfortable with Obama but yet doesn't want a repeat of the last 8 years, you can rest assured that there won't be such a repeat because McCain could not do the things Bush did (because of congress) even if he was so inclined. Under no circumstances do I think Obama is a better candidate, he's no more qualified than Palin.

Obama can speak in complete sentences without sounding like a complete idiot, not a high standard, I admit...but apparently one Palin is having trouble with.

Uh..sure he can..uh...umm..uh..unless..umm..there's a uh...problem..uh..with the uh..teleprompter..uh. :laugh:

 

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The American public is generally stupid, so I think Obama will win. I know enough about the potential pitfalls of polling that I think it's possible that McCain can win, but not very likely.

Well in my view, the stupid ones aren't the ones voting Obama

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anyone voting for Obama is dumb, that's certainly not the case, I'm just saying the damage McCain could do while in office is limited by the democratic congress. The damage Obama could do is essentially unlimited.

This is evidence of the idiot wind blowing through America.

Your argument is essentially that we should elect McCain, even though he's a worse candidate, because he could be "reigned in" (gridlocked) by Congress.

Obama is a better candidate, period. If Congress gets out of control during his presidency, elect the GOP back into power in Congress in 2010.

We have 2 year windows to change power in Congress, but a 4 year window to elect the right man as President.

It's a bullshit argument, but McCain has come out with a lot of those in this final week.

No, you're misreading my argument. McCain is the better candidate regardless (IMO), but if you're one of the people who doesn't feel comfortable with Obama but yet doesn't want a repeat of the last 8 years, you can rest assured that there won't be such a repeat because McCain could not do the things Bush did (because of congress) even if he was so inclined. Under no circumstances do I think Obama is a better candidate, he's no more qualified than Palin.

McCain is actually a far worse candidate.

McCain could do some serious damage to the Supreme court if he were to win. The court has a lean to the right currently, but there are some liberal judges who are getting up there in age (Stevens is 88). Obama will nominate liberal judges, but unless something unexpected happens, he's not going to replace any conservative judges.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

If he does manage to win someone should preemptively shoot Palin to prevent her from becoming president.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: aphex
Never underestimate the stupidity of Americans, after all, they elected Bush in twice :beer:

2004 was Bushs election to lose before it even started.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: rockyct
McCain could do some serious damage to the Supreme court if he were to win. The court has a lean to the right currently, but there are some liberal judges who are getting up there in age (Stevens is 88). Obama will nominate liberal judges, but unless something unexpected happens, he's not going to replace any conservative judges.

And the democratic controlled senate approves or disapproves of any McCain pick for the court. If you think McCain is going to do "serious damage", your prospective is way off...

McCain definitely has a chance of winning election day. A chance. *All* the cards were lined up for a democrat to sweep this election in a landslide. The latest polls of likely voters have Obama ahead by, I think it's down below 5 points. As much as I admire Obama's vision, I do not for a second believe the government can achieve it. We just saw both political parties equally responsible in the failure to prevent this economic crisis - and now we're going to elect a president who wants to shift vastly *more* financial responsibilities to the government? :roll:

You guys have to think before voting.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
You guys have to think before voting.

We are. That's why Obama will win in a landslide. Nobody actually wants another 4 years of Bush's policies.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

You guys have to think before voting.

Too bad old feeble McCain didn't think before picking a running mate.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: rockyct

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
The American public is generally stupid, so I think Obama will win. I know enough about the potential pitfalls of polling that I think it's possible that McCain can win, but not very likely.

Well in my view, the stupid ones aren't the ones voting Obama

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anyone voting for Obama is dumb, that's certainly not the case, I'm just saying the damage McCain could do while in office is limited by the democratic congress. The damage Obama could do is essentially unlimited.

This is evidence of the idiot wind blowing through America.

Your argument is essentially that we should elect McCain, even though he's a worse candidate, because he could be "reigned in" (gridlocked) by Congress.

Obama is a better candidate, period. If Congress gets out of control during his presidency, elect the GOP back into power in Congress in 2010.

We have 2 year windows to change power in Congress, but a 4 year window to elect the right man as President.

It's a bullshit argument, but McCain has come out with a lot of those in this final week.

No, you're misreading my argument. McCain is the better candidate regardless (IMO), but if you're one of the people who doesn't feel comfortable with Obama but yet doesn't want a repeat of the last 8 years, you can rest assured that there won't be such a repeat because McCain could not do the things Bush did (because of congress) even if he was so inclined. Under no circumstances do I think Obama is a better candidate, he's no more qualified than Palin.

McCain is actually a far worse candidate.

McCain could do some serious damage to the Supreme court if he were to win. The court has a lean to the right currently, but there are some liberal judges who are getting up there in age (Stevens is 88). Obama will nominate liberal judges, but unless something unexpected happens, he's not going to replace any conservative judges.

Nope. McCain cannot appoint anyone to the court with the OK from the senate, and you'd better believe the senate is not going to roll over if he appoints some right winger. Obama on the other hand could nominate a complete idiot (think "Harriet Myers" level), and the congress would allow it. We'd be stuck with the idiot for 30 years. Another argument for voting McCain.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Obama on the other hand could nominate a complete idiot (think "Harriet Myers" level), and the congress would allow it. We'd be stuck with the idiot for 30 years. Another argument for voting McCain.

Harriet Myers was picked so as not to piss off the females when bush removed the only female on the court. He needed a loyal dog who would never make it so he could put his real guy in there.