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Frigidaire reliability is awful. If you look at the CR reliability ratings you will see Whirlpool is at the top of the most reliable list. CR rates LG and Samsung high because of performance in testing. Being new to the market their reliability has been awful but performance was great before ultimately failing for technological reasons.
How does CR determine reliability? Honest question because I've never paid to read their reviews.

Well, I just paid for their reviews and their "customer satisfaction" for brand reliability is 3/5 for Samsung and LG while it is 1/5 for the likes of Whirlpool and Frigidaire top freezers. It only leads me to believe there's some shilling going on or buyers of Samsung and LGs haven't had them die yet when they completed the surveys. Or maybe the buyers are younger and more savvy to complete a survey in the first place.
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My Frigidaire experience is with a side-by-side. Maybe their other lines are worse. But 10 years is still 10 years, while the OP's Sammy is dead after three.
 

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How does CR determine reliability? Honest question because I've never paid to read their reviews.

Well, I just paid for their reviews and their "customer satisfaction" for brand reliability is 3/5 for Samsung and LG while it is 1/5 for the likes of Whirlpool and Frigidaire top freezers. It only leads me to believe there's some shilling going on or buyers of Samsung and LGs haven't had them die yet when they completed the surveys. Or maybe the buyers are younger and more savvy to complete a survey in the first place.
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My Frigidaire experience is with a side-by-side. Maybe their other lines are worse. But 10 years is still 10 years, while the OP's Sammy is dead after three.
Things may have change a bit in the last 10 years with regards to reliability. Every year CR sends out a subscriber survey and they report back on the reliability of their cars, appliances and a few other things. They have been doing this for decades.

I have a Kitchen-Aid Side by Side that is from 1998. Still works, I shut the ice maker down a decade ago because of a water leak. I have since become a competent plumber. I could set it back up with a new water supply line but figured it wouldn't last as long as it has.

I come from the old school way of thinking. If it ain't broke don't replace it. Unless the energy efficiency of the new products is much better than what I already have. When you get to the point in time where the stuff has lived beyond it's useful life. You replace it as preventative maintenance.
 

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LG had the service issues the OP ran into a couple years ago; I'm a bit surprised CR and The Wirecutter still recommend LG. Samsung is bad for a different reason; I think they will service you but their units are notorious for icing over internally and you have to rip panels off just to defrost it. A complete shitshow.

I haven't shopped fridges in 3 years, but The Wirecutter still likes GE and Whirlpool.

I remember now that 3 years ago, GE had the top rated freezers but they were all out of stock. I went with a Whirlpool fridge and Frigidaire freezer; both have been OK but not spectacular. Which is all you can hope for with modern appliances. 🤞

The main problem with GE was that Jeff Immelt nearly ran the company into the ground. GE Appliances is actually owned by Haier now.
 

BoomerD

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i think trident's sweeper ran him a grand
Probably so.


Other...lower priced models as well.

 

Torn Mind

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CR is pay for play, not to be trusted.
Now that I have a CR sub...

The bias for Samsung and LG is pretty brazen in fridges, washers, tech.

Out of the whole list of "top" front load washers, it's all Samsung or LG.

Samsung will never be a premium brand to me. They always have just enoughs in quirks to be an annoyance at best(tech products) or a brick in the making like their appliances.

Dishwashers, they like Bosch.

The real truth is in the customer review sections of LG and Samsung appliances. Plenty of dumpster fire in the review section.
 

pete6032

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Really interesting post on Consumer Reports reliability ratings from Yale Appliances below. I've never bought from them before but I've read a lot of their stuff and they seem very honest. Basically they say Consumer Reports is looking at 10 years of reliability data and that is way too long of a window to draw useful conclusions about reliability. Yale says Samsung has had good reliability according to the data they have on service calls, which is very contrary to what you read online.

 

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Really interesting post on Consumer Reports reliability ratings from Yale Appliances below. I've never bought from them before but I've read a lot of their stuff and they seem very honest. Basically they say Consumer Reports is looking at 10 years of reliability data and that is way too long of a window to draw useful conclusions about reliability. Yale says Samsung has had good reliability according to the data they have on service calls, which is very contrary to what you read online.

Well, that shows appliance repair companies also have a conflict of interest. Actually, this appliance guy might be a bona fide psychopath and sophist. Most telling that dishonesty is present is that the article provides absolutely nothing regarding the parts themselves or how they operate. This omission is a dark stain on the rest of the article. Using an irrelevant proxy, "reliability" and just enough langage to gain "trust" is enough to show a truly dangerous predator of a company.

The more breaks, the more money they make after the warranty period is over. Speed Queens are likely in a commericial environment, maybe some laundromat where frugal apartment dwellers are stuffing them to the utter max.

The actual relevant data is the build quality of the part, what part fails, availability, and ease of repair.

There is also critical "longitudinal" information being obfuscate by the presentation of a cross-section of "data".


I know old-school Whirlpool top load washers, having disassembled them multiple items. The clutch can and will fail; this will result in compromised performance, wet clothes from no spin, etc.

The plastic "coupler" can fail(only through abusive overload, but a predatory tenant may know how to cause such a failure).

The motor itself is usually a tank and not going to break.

The problem with statistics is mis-inference. The statistics are a purely descriptive measure, limited in scope, and often ultimately IRRELEVANT to the what is of concern. Just like the measre of yards in football causes great loss in data(turning a 3D vector in a scalar), so does the measure of whatever is "reliability".

Reliability is NOT parts durability or build quality. The most qualified evidence is an unbiased reports of mechanics who do the parts for a living. Testimony is more valuable than studies.
 
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Donald Trump is that you?
Sample sizes too small, which the article itself points out.

Inferential statistics not employed.

Sampling method not random nor with sufficient statistical power

Facts such as other companies outright not servicing the LG product or the that there is a restrictive process for repairpersons to get a replacement compressor. (classaction.org provides allegations of such issues).

Amounts of costs. Burden of costs(consumers report still having to pay hundreds in parts and/or labor, adding to the value of the repair)

The mere nature of the failure is not disclosed(icemaker failure is more tolerable than sealed system failure).

Speed Queen is not sold in the residential big box outlets.


Listen here, I didn't go through a Bachelor's degree in economics to not utilize some of the training involved in interpreting statistics.

Nor did I actually repair washers from Whirlpool and other manufacturers for a pea brain like you to question me if I'm Donald Trump. Omission and obfuscation is unacceptable and advanced sophistry like the shill post you posted are more high-level examples of deception by omission.

The body count and "autopsies" of LG appliances is so large it's you who is doing the Trumping.
 

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The matter of the ratio of units sold and services can be quesitoned on the simplest of matters

Simple questions of fact can be raised.
Where the units that had dispatched service calls even the same as the units sold? For example, there were 19 service calls for branded Speed Queen Washers. There were also only 14 Speed Queens sold by Yale. Were the 19 service calls for just the units sold by Yale? Or did they include businesses with Speed Queens not sold by Yale? Maybe the 14 Speed Queens sold by Yale all had no issues but other businesses in Boston called them 19 or more times for older Speed Queens, and Yale chose to go out 19 times to fix a Speed Queen not sold by them.

That leads to the next question: How many service calls were rejected and not dispatched? This is quite relevant because there are reports that a busted sealed system from Samsung or LG results in repairmen simply not even going to do the repair. Not every call is going to result in a dispatch and the data are not disclosed regarding total number of calls for a brand regardless of dispatch. A key omission of fact.

As there is nothing in that blog post stated that the dispatched service calls pertained to only Yale's own sold appliances, the variables should be intrepreted at literal face value. The dispatched service calls pertain to all approved requests for service, regardless of whether it was sold directly by Yale or if it is some 15 year old unit not sold by Yale. Yale explictly states they do serve units not sold by them.

Had Yale wanted to say that it was for their in-house sold units, the author would have explicitly stated something "these were the units we sold in year 2019, and we had to service these same units X amount of times in 2019". I see nothing like this.
 

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Miele makes very good appliances...but the price is ridiculous. Bosch is another VERY good appliance manufacturer...that carries a high price.

Bosch appliance division is across the street from samsung in SK and uses the same parts manufactures. they are not what they used to be either.

i think Samsung is getting better. Kitchen aid seems to be good, it's whirlpools high end line.
 
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Bosch appliance division is across the street from samsung in SK and uses the same parts manufactures. they are not what they used to be either.

i think Samsung is getting better. Kitchen aid seems to be good, it's whirlpools high end line.

That’s sad news about Bosch.
 

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I had a repairman recommend I get a GE, which I ultimately did. But that was a dishwasher.
 

bbhaag

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Small update from the OP here.

We received a call from LG yesterday stating they found a repair service located about 20 miles from us and that they would call us to schedule the repair. Later in the day we received a call from the repair service and the soonest available appointment they had is Monday the 20th.

We scheduled the appointment because if they can repair the refrigerator under warranty it is better than spending the money for a new one.

It is still frustrating though because we are now going on a week and a half without our main refrigerator. If we didn't have one in the garage as a backup I don't know what we would have done.
 

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Small update from the OP here.

We received a call from LG yesterday stating they found a repair service located about 20 miles from us and that they would call us to schedule the repair. Later in the day we received a call from the repair service and the soonest available appointment they had is Monday the 20th.

We scheduled the appointment because if they can repair the refrigerator under warranty it is better than spending the money for a new one.

It is still frustrating though because we are now going on a week and a half without our main refrigerator. If we didn't have one in the garage as a backup I don't know what we would have done.

Odds are, the repairman will show up as scheduled…diagnose the problem, have to order the parts…which won’t be in for 2-3 weeks…then schedule an appointment to install said parts.
 

bbhaag

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Odds are, the repairman will show up as scheduled…diagnose the problem, have to order the parts…which won’t be in for 2-3 weeks…then schedule an appointment to install said parts.
God I hope not....... Since we already had an authorized LG service provider diagnose the issue but refuse repair the second service provider coming Monday stated that LG has already authorized him to purchase the parts.
He said on the phone that when the tech comes on Monday he should already have everything needed but yeah we all know how that can go.......
 
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BoomerD

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God I hope not....... Since we already had an authorized LG service provider diagnose the issue but refuse repair the second service provider coming Monday stated that LG has already authorized him to purchase the parts.
He said on the phone that when the tech comes on Monday he should already have everything needed but yeah we all know how that can go.......

Hey…ANYTHING is possible…well, ALMOST anything.
 

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God I hope not....... Since we already had an authorized LG service provider diagnose the issue but refuse repair the second service provider coming Monday stated that LG has already authorized him to purchase the parts.
He said on the phone that when the tech comes on Monday he should already have everything needed but yeah we all know how that can go.......
Good luck.
And be ready to pull the trigger on a new unit if Lowe's/Home Depot has a good Black Friday sale.
 

bbhaag

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Good luck.
And be ready to pull the trigger on a new unit if Lowe's/Home Depot has a good Black Friday sale.
Thanks...I think. haha
If the thech comes Monday and either can't repair it or needs more time then yeah we will be forced to pull the trigger on the GE I linked to in my OP. With my wifes family coming in from OH for TG we can't wait any longer than that. Shermans offers same or next day delivery on any in-stock appliance and they price match all the box stores and any reputable online appliance store.
Can't wait until BF though because by then it will be to late.

If we are forced to purchase the GE but the LG gets repaired then we list the LG on marketplace or CL and keep the GE.
 

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Man fuck LG and fuck their warranty. When my first son was born and my wife was freezing extra breast milk, our new, still covered by warranty compressor on it took a shit. Couldn't get a compressor locally, there was one but then it got stuck in LA for some reason. Because having a family with no fridge is the worse (oh you want to eat food, at HOME, tough shit), so after waiting a few days with no further update, I offered to drive there to pick it up. Denied. So we went out and just bought a new, different brand fridge to replace the LG with. (Also their ice makers suck ass, replaced some part associated with it in this one 3 times).
Warranties are worthless if they aren't readily implemented with a fix.
 
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jmagg

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Man fuck LG and fuck their warranty. When my first son was born and my wife was freezing extra breast milk, our new, still covered by warranty compressor on it took a shit. Couldn't get a compressor locally, there was one but then it got stuck in LA for some reason. Because having a family with no fridge is the worse (oh you want to eat food, at HOME, tough shit), so after waiting a few days with no further update, I offered to drive there to pick it up. Denied. So we went out and just bought a new, different brand fridge to replace the LG with. (Also their ice makers suck ass, replaced some part associated with it in this one 3 times).
Warranties are worthless if they aren't readily implemented with a fix.
I purchased a small freezer and fridge for when the main appliance goes down. This Whirlpool has a single recurring problem that i can now service myself, so I'm covered. (famous last words)