I think Nvidia and ATI has their share of problems. How do you all think the ATI 9700 pro will do in the long run?
Man I though your 3dmark2001 would be higher than that. I get 12,009 with my G4 4600. I'm not going to shell out $350 for another 900 points.
DARRIN yeah but have you forgot about when maximum FSAA and AF is on the performence decrease is a lot less? And at high resolutions of 1600x1200 with no FSAA or AF it gets a 10000 3dmark2001SE score. Depends on what processor you have.
That is pretty awesome. I play all my games at 1600x1200x32 and at that high of a resolution I did not see the point of AA. There are very little jaggies at that high of a resolution.
I am a hardware whore. LOL. If there is something faster out there. I WANT IT! But I don't want to have problems.
I am a hardware whore. LOL. If there is something faster out there. I WANT IT! But I don't want to have problems.
DARRIN ok true. But still it would be nice to beable to use FSAA and AF maximum if you can at 1600x1200. DARRIN see what i want is even faster! So i guess i should wait for the next ATI card or NV35. I want 1600x1200 in unreal 2 and doom3 with both maximum FSAA and AF on at 60 fps minimum frame rate if not 70 or 80 fps in unreal 2003. I know doom3 will be limited to 60 fps but i want 60 fps minimum even in the the heavy fight scenes. Plus maximum detail with everyone on too at this resolution and with these kind of frame rates at least minimum. Do you think it will take a long time for a video card like that to come out? DARRIN what video card do you own right now btw?
I currently have a Gainward Geforce4 4600 in both mine and my wife's computer. I have mine running at 330MHz core and 750MHz for the RAM. XP2200, Soltek kt333 mobo, etc.
It's in my rigs profile.
Hard decision man. I can probably sell on of my G4 4600's to a buddy for a couple hundred and kick in another $150 or so and get one.
It's in my rigs profile.
Hard decision man. I can probably sell on of my G4 4600's to a buddy for a couple hundred and kick in another $150 or so and get one.
Yeah it is. I think i want a R350 or NV35. Maybe not even that. I may want the a R400 or NV40 more sense they should be out months after unreal 2003 and doom3.
Insidious doesn't nvidia video cards when they first come out have their share of problems like in some games, etc? Or no ?
I seem to remember tossing my GeForce256 around the room a few times before the drivers matured. 
There were issues with the GF2/GF3 series upon release also. The key item was that NVidia fixed most of the issues and then improved the performance of the cards. To say that the GeForce series of cards has been problem free is too simplistic of a statement. The 9700Pro is a great card for high resolution gaming and with the right system it is easy to get 18000 in 3Dmark. I am getting close to 16000 at stock settings compared to 13000 with a GF4. However, the true power of the card is gaming at 1280x1024 with full AA/AF settings.
There were issues with the GF2/GF3 series upon release also. The key item was that NVidia fixed most of the issues and then improved the performance of the cards. To say that the GeForce series of cards has been problem free is too simplistic of a statement. The 9700Pro is a great card for high resolution gaming and with the right system it is easy to get 18000 in 3Dmark. I am getting close to 16000 at stock settings compared to 13000 with a GF4. However, the true power of the card is gaming at 1280x1024 with full AA/AF settings.Well lucky you. I, and others, HAVE had problems with GeForce cards in the past.
Nothing's a sure-fire winner. Not even nVidia. :frown:
What's up DARRIN? My $0.02 here - Stay with Nvidia. You are right about the superb driver development and the lack of issues with these mature cards. ATI is piss poor at developing drivers and responding to new chipsets, OS's and game issues. Nvidia is still releasing drivers that increase the performance of cards 4 generations ago (TNT, GF1). Now that is support and committment. ATI frequently bags support of card <2 years old.
It really is too bad, because they make a great piece of hardware on paper and I for one would love to experience the superior 2D of ATI cards. But the fact is that Nvidia will trump them every time. I have not had one issue with Nvidia cards and I too started with the TNT, TNT2, TNT2 Utlra, Geforce, Geforce2, Geforce2 Ultra and Geforce 3. The GF4 is the first generation I will most likely skip because my GF3 still rocks.
Joe
It really is too bad, because they make a great piece of hardware on paper and I for one would love to experience the superior 2D of ATI cards. But the fact is that Nvidia will trump them every time. I have not had one issue with Nvidia cards and I too started with the TNT, TNT2, TNT2 Utlra, Geforce, Geforce2, Geforce2 Ultra and Geforce 3. The GF4 is the first generation I will most likely skip because my GF3 still rocks.
Joe
Thanks Joe. I think I will keep my G4 4600 until I see some really possitive things come out of the next driver release or just wait for the NV30.
Originally posted by: bjc112
I don't know about October...
Most likely Christmas at the earliest....
October may be a bit over zealous. Definitely December, especially with the pressure from ATI, lack of XBox interest, slow PC sales and a dwindling stock price.
Originally posted by: LarryJoe
Originally posted by: bjc112
I don't know about October...
Most likely Christmas at the earliest....
October may be a bit over zealous. Definitely December, especially with the pressure from ATI, lack of XBox interest, slow PC sales and a dwindling stock price.
Very, Very true....
Good reasons there...
But since its just getting taped out, im gonna stick with December for sure...
NV30 might sample by late Oct., Pre-view at all the major hardware sites by late Nov. and then be released for sale by Dec., but I would'nt bet on any volume shipments/availability till the new year.
And everything has to play out perfectly for any of this to happen. IMO
And everything has to play out perfectly for any of this to happen. IMO
I bet Nvidia management is all over R&D's asses to get that card out before Christmas. I bet the heat is on. LOL
For the most part I completely agree with your sentiments. It was first taped out only relatively recently, and it's generally 4-6 weeks from tape-out to A0 silicon.
I expect samples in October, a release even in extremely limited quantities is completely out of the question. If no major bugs pop up and validation progresses well they should be in a position to allow basic previews of the NV30 from select enthusiast sites by late November. They may be seeing initial production level silicon around then also if they can keep pace with the rates at which they went from AO to production silicon in the past.
This is a considerably different architecture however and their first major re-design in a few years so that is open for question.
I expect they'll pull a paper launch in early December so as to stave off buyers looking towards ATi for high end purchases in the christmas shopping rush.
I figure hardware reviews from mainstream tech sites a bit before mid December, and availablility in small quantities by the 17-20'th Dec.
Small quantities should adequate cover the very small market segment that the high end gaming cards cover.
I'm not sure initial products will be terribly overclockable, owing to TSMC's poor .13u yields, and nVidia's likely desire to push the NV30 as far as they can to trump ATi's R9700.
The NV30 will likely be a short lived part that is quickly superceded by an NV35 or something similar, once yields improve and nVidia has had adequate time to design around any critical speed path issues that may appear in the final NV30 silicon.
I wonder how many people remember the actual numbers. Sure, they speculate on how fast NV30 will be, but how about the number of good yields?
~10%
Yep. About 90% of the .13 NV30 chips are worthless hunks of silicon that simply don't work. We'll probably see some kind of GeForce5MX with those chips if they work at all.
Yes, NV30 will be great - but at these kinds of horrible yeilds, it's gonna' be WAY more expensive than the Radeon 9700 even at launch. And probably as unpredictable.....
~10%
Yep. About 90% of the .13 NV30 chips are worthless hunks of silicon that simply don't work. We'll probably see some kind of GeForce5MX with those chips if they work at all.
Yes, NV30 will be great - but at these kinds of horrible yeilds, it's gonna' be WAY more expensive than the Radeon 9700 even at launch. And probably as unpredictable.....
troll post. Just update this post by switching ATI and NVIDIA around when the NV30 is released. BTW I have no loyalty to either company. I've had on 3DFX card, two NVIDIA, and all three flavors of Radeon.
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Funny how people are so loyal to nVidia.
I can't afford loyalty. I buy one card every 2-3 years and i expect it to last.
So far this deal for me has worked fine.
Every 2-3 years I upgrade my whole box and am able to play the newest and upcoming games.
ATi had finally come out with a killer product and people are still down on em.
I remember visiting nVidia forums daily when GF256 and GF2-3 came out.
If people had made the buying decisions based on what i saw, then they'd have never bought an nVidia card.
People have religious loyalty and SHORT memory... it's almost funny, if it weren't so sad.
I can't afford loyalty. I buy one card every 2-3 years and i expect it to last.
So far this deal for me has worked fine.
Every 2-3 years I upgrade my whole box and am able to play the newest and upcoming games.
ATi had finally come out with a killer product and people are still down on em.
I remember visiting nVidia forums daily when GF256 and GF2-3 came out.
If people had made the buying decisions based on what i saw, then they'd have never bought an nVidia card.
People have religious loyalty and SHORT memory... it's almost funny, if it weren't so sad.
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