Anyone have any info/experience with Expedrine?
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jeez. why don't you just flex your insurance and ask your doctor for a script of d-amphetamine. at least you'll know exactly what you'll be getting and not shady concoction...
The active ingredient is Synephrine, an alpha-1 agonist, which may have a small benefit depending on the dosage.
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its the name of the product.....
and yea ive heard some great things about synepherine in the right dosage.
i just took 2 of the pills abut a half hour ago and it seems to have def. raised my temperature and raised my heart rate a significant amount. I dont usually feel caffeine because i have a huge tolerance for it and supposedly these have 270mg of anhydrous caffeine but i still dont feel anything...
Since it is an alpha-1 agonist one would assume it would increase leptin transport to the brain, and affect appetite as well as nervous system output. However, I haven't seen much research done proving it's usefulness. I'm most interested in is it's effects combined with ephedrine and caffeine since it works through a different mechanism then ephedrine (which is a beta-agonist).
Should just get a Canadian friend and have them ship it down to you, rarely is it stopped at customs. I take about 50-75mg of Ephedrine a day, it rocks, tons of energy, no appetite.
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I honestly don't understand why people think so highly of this. Yeah, sure, it helps with great results, but I mean cocaine and crystal meth result in the same kind of feelings. Also, you feel great because it increases dopamine in the blood. Yeah, same end results as heroin. Ephedrine is pretty much a low key junkie drug. Be wary. There is quite the gateway to addiction as well. I mean, for Christ's sake, is losing weight faster worth the potential side effects? Heat stroke, stroke, heart attack, tachycardia, seizures, normal strokes, and many more smaller side effects. Screw that.
I drink coffee too which is a drug that helps me stay awake, provides the same effect as speed. Does that mean I shouldn't drink coffee?
If I was doing 150-200mg a day I could see your point. I'm not though. It is also best to cycle off it for 2 weeks after 4 so that you can continue at a low dose.
You know what the side effects of Tylenol are when it's abused? It's not pretty.
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Originally posted by: RichardE
I drink coffee too which is a drug that helps me stay awake, provides the same effect as speed. Does that mean I shouldn't drink coffee?
If I was doing 150-200mg a day I could see your point. I'm not though. It is also best to cycle off it for 2 weeks after 4 so that you can continue at a low dose.
You know what the side effects of Tylenol are when it's abused? It's not pretty.
Are you really comparing a stimulant that release dopamine into your bloodstream to Tylenol? I could overdose on water if I really wanted to so your analogy is a poor one. I don't drink caffeine for health reasons. I've seen people be dicks because they haven't had their coffee so yeah I think coffee is a bust as well.
The FDA advises that you should take no more than 20mg of Ephedrine a day. You're taking 50-75mg. Comparatively, that's not a very low dose to maintain good health. And cycling? Really? Anything you have to cycle is clearly not doing your body any favors.
Ephedrine increases metabolic rate, decreases appetite, and decreasing muscle loss on a diet. Comparing it to crystal meth and cocaine is just ridiculous. All the research that has been done has proven the EC stack to be safe, as long as you're not a total fucking retard and take a lot more than you're supposed to and/or have a pre-existing condition. However, this goes for ANY drug.
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Originally posted by: RichardE
I drink coffee too which is a drug that helps me stay awake, provides the same effect as speed. Does that mean I shouldn't drink coffee?
If I was doing 150-200mg a day I could see your point. I'm not though. It is also best to cycle off it for 2 weeks after 4 so that you can continue at a low dose.
You know what the side effects of Tylenol are when it's abused? It's not pretty.
Are you really comparing a stimulant that release dopamine into your bloodstream to Tylenol? I could overdose on water if I really wanted to so your analogy is a poor one. I don't drink caffeine for health reasons. I've seen people be dicks because they haven't had their coffee so yeah I think coffee is a bust as well.
The FDA advises that you should take no more than 20mg of Ephedrine a day. You're taking 50-75mg. Comparatively, that's not a very low dose to maintain good health. And cycling? Really? Anything you have to cycle is clearly not doing your body any favors.
No, I was was not. I was stating the abuse of any product will affect your health.
Cycling to decrease the tolerance you build up to Ephedrine. I notice you dropped the argument of comparing Ephedrine to meth and heroin though, thats good :beer:
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Is the comparison ridiculous? It binds to the same or similar receptors in the brain to result in dopamine release into the bloodstream and it causes the above stimulant effects. Cocaine and crystal meth utilize the same mechanisms. They are in the same class of stimulants for a reason.
No stimulant is safe, especially one that has such profound effects on the body's physiology. It's the lazy, quick fix that everybody looks for. Everybody overlooks the possible results outside of the "I wanna be skinny." I've never agreed with your Ephedrine stance because I don't think you quite understand exactly what it does to the body. A dose high enough as 50mg is over twice the suggested dose for the healthy range as estimated by the FDA. I'm more irritated by the laziness factor than anything. "Let's do drugs to lose weight instead of figuring out another way to get the same results."
I remember one study a while ago showing that the effects on metabolic rate actually increased with use. However, the appetite suppressing effects disappear after a while, which I've noticed from personal experience.
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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Originally posted by: RichardE
I drink coffee too which is a drug that helps me stay awake, provides the same effect as speed. Does that mean I shouldn't drink coffee?
If I was doing 150-200mg a day I could see your point. I'm not though. It is also best to cycle off it for 2 weeks after 4 so that you can continue at a low dose.
You know what the side effects of Tylenol are when it's abused? It's not pretty.
Are you really comparing a stimulant that release dopamine into your bloodstream to Tylenol? I could overdose on water if I really wanted to so your analogy is a poor one. I don't drink caffeine for health reasons. I've seen people be dicks because they haven't had their coffee so yeah I think coffee is a bust as well.
The FDA advises that you should take no more than 20mg of Ephedrine a day. You're taking 50-75mg. Comparatively, that's not a very low dose to maintain good health. And cycling? Really? Anything you have to cycle is clearly not doing your body any favors.
No, I was was not. I was stating the abuse of any product will affect your health.
Cycling to decrease the tolerance you build up to Ephedrine. I notice you dropped the argument of comparing Ephedrine to meth and heroin though, thats good :beer:
Perhaps if you understood the physiology of what receptors are bound, you'd realize that the analogy meth is surprisingly close (look up the andrenergic receptor system). Like I said, it's in the same category of stimulants for a reason. I was comparing to heroin in the aspect that the result of dopamine neurotransmitter release is the same thing to a lesser degree.
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
Originally posted by: RichardE
I drink coffee too which is a drug that helps me stay awake, provides the same effect as speed. Does that mean I shouldn't drink coffee?
If I was doing 150-200mg a day I could see your point. I'm not though. It is also best to cycle off it for 2 weeks after 4 so that you can continue at a low dose.
You know what the side effects of Tylenol are when it's abused? It's not pretty.
Are you really comparing a stimulant that release dopamine into your bloodstream to Tylenol? I could overdose on water if I really wanted to so your analogy is a poor one. I don't drink caffeine for health reasons. I've seen people be dicks because they haven't had their coffee so yeah I think coffee is a bust as well.
The FDA advises that you should take no more than 20mg of Ephedrine a day. You're taking 50-75mg. Comparatively, that's not a very low dose to maintain good health. And cycling? Really? Anything you have to cycle is clearly not doing your body any favors.
No, I was was not. I was stating the abuse of any product will affect your health.
Cycling to decrease the tolerance you build up to Ephedrine. I notice you dropped the argument of comparing Ephedrine to meth and heroin though, thats good :beer:
Perhaps if you understood the physiology of what receptors are bound, you'd realize that the analogy meth is surprisingly close (look up the andrenergic receptor system). Like I said, it's in the same category of stimulants for a reason. I was comparing to heroin in the aspect that the result of dopamine neurotransmitter release is the same thing to a lesser degree.
I understand the basic chemistry of it, we actually had 2 lectures on it in my organic chemistry class by a teacher for some reason (since it had nothing to do with the subject at hand). I think you are greatly overstating the consequences of using it.
Not to mention some idea you have that the people are using the drug to "lose weight" are the same people who buy the shinny pre-packaged diet pills (which has a interesting story on them in the NY times last week regarding companies putting actual illegal drugs in the pills). If you are anti-supplement that is fine. Personally I love the fact that a combination of diet, exercise, vitamins and ephedrine/caffeine enable me to stay active for 15-18 hour days during the week. As long as you are not abusing the product it is safe. If you are taking 150-200mg and exercising strenuously outside with no water in very hi heat..well you are asking for it (like that football player).
I just don't see the appeal of drugs like these. I'm not anti supplement but I try not to too many strange things in my body, I like it fine the way it is. Do you take it for the energy or for the metabolic effect (increased weightloss/no appetite)? And why did you start?
I have never recommended to anybody to take ephedrine + caffeine instead of following a healthy diet and good training program. Appetite, metabolism, and muscle loss are issues that must be dealt with on any diet and that's where the EC stack comes in.
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