Anyone have a Mazdaspeed 6?

[Nutdotnet]

Did Mazda fix the TMIC heat issues?

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Did Mazda fix the TMIC heat issues?

Any info or more description on the problem you are referring to? I'd like to know if there is a known issue I should be checking out..

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Did Mazda fix the TMIC heat issues?

Any info or more description on the problem you are referring to? I'd like to know if there is a known issue I should be checking out..

MS6's were known to build up a lot of heat causing heatsoak, reducing the efficiency of the turbo to a point where performance suffers noticeably. I'd imagine this will only be a more major issue in hotter climates & if you beat on it everywhere.

Find yourself a Mazda forum ASAP!

Hopefully they changed the oil filter design on these. On the I-4 Mazda6, it is a screwy PITA cartridge-type filter and is difficult to change, not to mention expensive. Start looking into that!

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
So, speaking of break in, what is the optimal procedure/time for a motor like this. I've been working on pushrod V8's so long I'm not really familiar with a lot of these new, smaller turbo engines. The car had 50 miles on it when I got in today, and 63 when I got out...

I'll probably do the oil changes myself, and use Mobil 1 and a decent filter...

As far as break-in, I think the general concensus is mainly this: do not drive a steady speed for the first few hundred miles. This I believe is heavily related to the piston rings and them properly seating. Plenty of GTO owners redline their car on day 1 with no problems down the road, but a relatively key thing is varying the speed.

Also don't downshift to slow the car during break-in either.

And of course, read the manual! Search whatever Mazda forum you find too

 

[Insane3D]

Thanks for the info!

I've been reading Mazda forums all day...lol.

I wonder if they make a oil pan heater for those really cold days...

I've also learned that with the stock Bridgestone's and AWD, the car is scary in snow with those tires. I may just drive the Mustang on the really messy days because I have a set of Blizzaks for that, and I've been driving it around in the winter for years... I'll probably get a set of 17" rims and snow tires when the funds allow...

:thumbsup:

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Thanks for the info!

I've been reading Mazda forums all day...lol.

I wonder if they make a oil pan heater for those really cold days...

I've also learned that with the stock Bridgestone's and AWD, the car is scary in snow with those tires. I may just drive the Mustang on the really messy days because I have a set of Blizzaks for that, and I've been driving it around in the winter for years... I'll probably get a set of 17" rims and snow tires when the funds allow...

:thumbsup:

IMO just some high quality all-seasons (Dunlop SP5000 ultra-high-performance all season are highly regarded by Subbie owners) would make it much better in snow if that's the case. Most OEM tires suck balls

But yeah even on a RWD Mustang, snow tires would probly be better

 

[Insane3D]

The MS6 comes with 215/45YR18 Bridgestone RE050s....I'm not sure, but they seem to be decent performance tires. It looks like they just suck when the temp drops below freezing. I'll probably just get a set of 17" rims and Blizzaks or something for the winter, and when the stockers are ready to be replaced, upgrading those to something stickier...

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
The MS6 comes with 215/45YR18 Bridgestone RE050s....I'm not sure, but they seem to be decent performance tires. It looks like they just suck when the temp drops below freezing. I'll probably just get a set of 17" rims and Blizzaks or something for the winter, and when the stockers are ready to be replaced, upgrading those to something stickier...

It is probably a good performing tire. The BFG T/A Traction KDWS on my GTO are pretty good performance tires. In rain they aren't bad either (not good either mind you), but in snow reports say they blow ass.

From what I've read the Dunlop SP5000's offer the best of all worlds, if something like that interests you. Of course dedicated snow tires will wipe the floor with any all-season in the snow, as you know.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Motor trend says a 5.8 0-60, a 14.3 1/4 and a braking distance of 113 feet for the Speed6.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sed..._awd_sedan_comparison/specs_price.html

Plus the Mazda just has a much more sport tuned suspension than family oriented Accord.

I'm lookin at modernracer.com. BTW, I know you'd think that, and the suspension in the mazda is nice, but have you actually driven the new V6 accords? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Hmm.

Mazdaspeed6: AWD Turbo 4Cyl, sport-tuned.

Accord: FWD 6cyl, non-tuned.

Not even in the same damn category.

Car and Driver gave the Accord the nod over the MS6 in the sport sedan catagory. so i'd say, they ARE in the same catagory, AND the accord is the better car. and i've driven the 6-speed V6 Accord, and it hauls butt, and will attack a corner with the best of them. i drove it immediately after a new Civic Si, and found it to be MORE fun.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Motor trend says a 5.8 0-60, a 14.3 1/4 and a braking distance of 113 feet for the Speed6.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sed..._awd_sedan_comparison/specs_price.html

Plus the Mazda just has a much more sport tuned suspension than family oriented Accord.

I'm lookin at modernracer.com. BTW, I know you'd think that, and the suspension in the mazda is nice, but have you actually driven the new V6 accords? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Hmm.

Mazdaspeed6: AWD Turbo 4Cyl, sport-tuned.

Accord: FWD 6cyl, non-tuned.

Not even in the same damn category.

Car and Driver gave the Accord the nod over the MS6 in the sport sedan catagory. so i'd say, they ARE in the same catagory, AND the accord is the better car. and i've driven the 6-speed V6 Accord, and it hauls butt, and will attack a corner with the best of them. i drove it immediately after a new Civic Si, and found it to be MORE fun.

You can only get the Accord V6 6MT in a couple; the MS6 is only in a sedan. Therefore, they are not in the same category. Will that now shut you up on this?

Now compare the Accord coupe V6 6MT as a performance car to other performance coupes; oops, yep, it DOES suck as a performance car. Maybe for the Gomer Pyle who wants 6-speeds and a 240HP high-strung V6 to feel better about his economy-clad car, sure, it would be a great car. For a more true performance oriented individual, the MS6 is a much more appealing (and practical, with the four doors) option; not my choice nor my recommendation for most people (*cough* Legacy GT *cough*), but nontheless not in the same category as the Accord V6.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
You can't buy 93 in half the country? That's news to me, but it doesn't really matter to me since I already need 93 in my current car, and it's readily available in my part of the country.

As for the Accord, I think you are taking things a little personal. I don't really see anyone saying the Honda is bad, just that the accord and MS6 are different types of cars.

Are you going to disagree the accord is more of a family oriented sedan than the a Legacy GT or a MS6?

i would absolutely disagree. i've driven the Legacy GT and the Accord, and i'll say it again: the accord is faster. the accord is more fun. the accord makes a better noise. the drivetrain on the accord is slicker and more engaging. the accord's engine charges to the redline with more urgancy. the accord encourages you to drive faster. the accord rides better and communicates better when you charge around a corner. the accord is nicer inside (by a long shot). the legacy talks the talk with its fancy hood scoop and gimmicky boxer engine, but the accord quietly walks the walk and hauls without needing to ask anyone but the driver to pay attention. the MS6 is so much heavier and suffers so greatly from drivetrain losses that the turbo motor's paper numbers go to waste when it comes time to move faster. the MS6 is has the highest real-world performance of the class, but the accord is a close second-best in class, and has so many more pluses that it is a no-brainer over the MS6.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Motor trend says a 5.8 0-60, a 14.3 1/4 and a braking distance of 113 feet for the Speed6.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sed..._awd_sedan_comparison/specs_price.html

Plus the Mazda just has a much more sport tuned suspension than family oriented Accord.

I'm lookin at modernracer.com. BTW, I know you'd think that, and the suspension in the mazda is nice, but have you actually driven the new V6 accords? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Hmm.

Mazdaspeed6: AWD Turbo 4Cyl, sport-tuned.

Accord: FWD 6cyl, non-tuned.

Not even in the same damn category.

Car and Driver gave the Accord the nod over the MS6 in the sport sedan catagory. so i'd say, they ARE in the same catagory, AND the accord is the better car. and i've driven the 6-speed V6 Accord, and it hauls butt, and will attack a corner with the best of them. i drove it immediately after a new Civic Si, and found it to be MORE fun.

You can only get the Accord V6 6MT in a couple; the MS6 is only in a sedan. Therefore, they are not in the same category. Will that now shut you up on this?

Now compare the Accord coupe V6 6MT as a performance car to other performance coupes; oops, yep, it DOES suck as a performance car. Maybe for the Gomer Pyle who wants 6-speeds and a 240HP high-strung V6 to feel better about his economy-clad car, sure, it would be a great car. For a more true performance oriented individual, the MS6 is a much more appealing (and practical, with the four doors) option; not my choice nor my recommendation for most people (*cough* Legacy GT *cough*), but nontheless not in the same category as the Accord V6.

sorry, your ignorance is bleeding right through the forums.

the Accord EX-L V6 sedan 6-speed manual has been available for a couple years now. try checking the Honda website. or edmunds.com. or CarAndDriver.com (hence my reference). 30 seconds could have saved you from looking like an ass, but oh well. that's how Car and Driver drove it. that's how i drove it. it's a great sports SEDAN (4 doors, count 'em) for about $25K if you haggle.

 

[thomsbrain]

i'll stop referencing and just link for the lazy:

Car and Driver's most recent sub-$30K sport sedan comparison

Fifth Place: 2006 Pontiac G6 GTP
Fourth Place: 2006 Mazdaspeed 6
Third Place: 2006 Acura TSX
Second Place: 2006 Honda Accord EX V-6
First Place: 2006 Volkswagen Jetta GLI

you already know that Mazda's pumped-up 6 sedan was our performance champ, no contest... The downside to the Mazdaspeed package is a shortage of refinement. Consider feature content, for openers... The Mazda's rather severe interior trim also drew flack, particularly the hard, shiny plastic of the center console, center stack, dash, and doors... We recorded complaints of the Mazda's stiffer-than-most ride quality and road noise, although most were willing to accept that trade-off in favor of the car's quick handling responses. But the other element that goes with this high-performance package?engine noise?was hard for our test crew to accept... there was a raspy, industrial quality to the Mazda's exhaust note at full cry that grated on all who heard it. "Like the Hoover that ate Godzilla," observed one tester. The bottom line: The Mazdaspeed guys nailed the sports part of the deal, but this car needs a little time at charm school.

Accords have earned a spot on our annual 10Best Cars list in 20 of the 24 years we've been handing out these trophies, including this year. We consider the Accord to be the best family sedan in the business, hands down. But until now, we've never thought of it as a sports sedan... Could it keep pace with the other players? Oh, yeah. Although those tires held the Honda back in the braking and skidpad exercises, the power of that superb V-6?upgraded by four horsepower for '06?dragged it into a third-place tie with the handy little Jetta in the lane change, and it was second only to the more potent Mazdaspeed 6 in acceleration runs... The Accord also won respect on our Hocking Hills loop, albeit grudgingly. There were logbook comments about a relative excess of body roll and ride-versus-handling trade-off, but with the stability control switched off it was clear the Accord could handle all the challenges without apology... for the guy whose everyday-hero concept includes luxury and roominess, as well as hustle, the Honda is tough to beat.

 

[brtspears2]

Nice car, hope you enjoy it. I would just ignore all the people pushing other cars in here, it is after all your money.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: brtspears2
Nice car, hope you enjoy it. I would just ignore all the people pushing other cars in here, it is after all your money.

Thanks.

I know life will not be worth living because I didn't get the Accord though...

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
you can buy a car through Costco?

You don't buy through Costco directly, it's a buying service through select dealerships. In return for Costco's business referral volume, the dealerships will offer a no-haggle lowest-price guarantee.

Yep.

http://www.costcoauto.com/

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Sorry, this is an 07....Fully Loaded. I dont want the cheaper Sport Package one.

This is a Costco Price, but it's at a dealer. Free service loaners for any service, free weekly hand car wash for life.

30363 is the invoice, and thats a good price.

dealer car washes are the funnay.

 

[clickynext]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Mackie2k
Sorry, this is an 07....Fully Loaded. I dont want the cheaper Sport Package one.

This is a Costco Price, but it's at a dealer. Free service loaners for any service, free weekly hand car wash for life.

30363 is the invoice, and thats a good price.

dealer car washes are the funnay.

They're great if you don't mind swirl marks all over your car...

 

[slikmunks]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Did Mazda fix the TMIC heat issues?

Any info or more description on the problem you are referring to? I'd like to know if there is a known issue I should be checking out..

MS6's were known to build up a lot of heat causing heatsoak, reducing the efficiency of the turbo to a point where performance suffers noticeably. I'd imagine this will only be a more major issue in hotter climates & if you beat on it everywhere.

Find yourself a Mazda forum ASAP!

Hopefully they changed the oil filter design on these. On the I-4 Mazda6, it is a screwy PITA cartridge-type filter and is difficult to change, not to mention expensive. Start looking into that!

dealer flash fixed the problem... it was basically an oversensitive knock sensor

i drive a mazadspeed6 too, had it since april of '06... on the racetrack, the car actually handles a lot lighter than it actually is... and the braking on this car is un-be-friggin' lievable...

and for the guy who said the ms3 was underrated in power and is more powerful than the ms6... it's got a better power to weight ratio, but it is slightly less powerful due to exhaust restrictions...

and btw, the motor itself... underrated from the factory... people are putting down 280 ft-lbs of torque and 250awhp bone stock... mhmmmm tasty!! now for the mods to start again...

insane3d, msg me if u want to talk speed6 stuffs... i dont' know everything, but i've been reading about the car, available mods and everything for a while now... and of course, congrats on the new ride!!

my first new car too, haha

 

[Insane3D]

Good to hear from a fellow MS6 owner. I swear to god, everytime I get out of this car I have a big smile on my face. I've only had it for a few days, and it's such a great car to drive...

I'm already planning on picking up the USB version of the AutoEnginuity Scan Tool (USB). The list of things it supports with just the Mazda based upgrade, nevermind all it does by itself, makes it look like a fun and extremely worthwhile thing to have for the DIY'er.

:Q:QEnhanced Mazda Module List:Q:Q

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Motor trend says a 5.8 0-60, a 14.3 1/4 and a braking distance of 113 feet for the Speed6.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sed..._awd_sedan_comparison/specs_price.html

Plus the Mazda just has a much more sport tuned suspension than family oriented Accord.

I'm lookin at modernracer.com. BTW, I know you'd think that, and the suspension in the mazda is nice, but have you actually driven the new V6 accords? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Hmm.

Mazdaspeed6: AWD Turbo 4Cyl, sport-tuned.

Accord: FWD 6cyl, non-tuned.

Not even in the same damn category.

Car and Driver gave the Accord the nod over the MS6 in the sport sedan catagory. so i'd say, they ARE in the same catagory, AND the accord is the better car. and i've driven the 6-speed V6 Accord, and it hauls butt, and will attack a corner with the best of them. i drove it immediately after a new Civic Si, and found it to be MORE fun.

You can only get the Accord V6 6MT in a couple; the MS6 is only in a sedan. Therefore, they are not in the same category. Will that now shut you up on this?

Now compare the Accord coupe V6 6MT as a performance car to other performance coupes; oops, yep, it DOES suck as a performance car. Maybe for the Gomer Pyle who wants 6-speeds and a 240HP high-strung V6 to feel better about his economy-clad car, sure, it would be a great car. For a more true performance oriented individual, the MS6 is a much more appealing (and practical, with the four doors) option; not my choice nor my recommendation for most people (*cough* Legacy GT *cough*), but nontheless not in the same category as the Accord V6.

sorry, your ignorance is bleeding right through the forums.

the Accord EX-L V6 sedan 6-speed manual has been available for a couple years now. try checking the Honda website. or edmunds.com. or CarAndDriver.com (hence my reference). 30 seconds could have saved you from looking like an ass, but oh well. that's how Car and Driver drove it. that's how i drove it. it's a great sports SEDAN (4 doors, count 'em) for about $25K if you haggle.

I know this thread is old... but I have to jump in here...

What the hell? comparing a Honda Accord to a Mazdaspeed6? What planet are you from... and I don't give a damn what Car & Driver say.. they certainly aren't the only publication out there.. and their just some guys opinion anyway.

The Accord is FWD with a poorer suspension, less HP, less TQ. Same Price

The MS6 is AWD with a badass suspension, more HP, and more TQ. Same Price.

I'm sure if you're looking for a car to drive in a line as fast as you possibly can all the time.. the Accord might be compareable... but for everything else it just isn't...

And I don't want to hear crap about the MS6 being "really FWD". Get in the car... blast the gas... which car squeels the wheels, and which one bites and blasts... thats all you need to know...

Ok I get it you're a Honda fanboi... congratulations... Now welcome back to reality... the Honda Accord is a fantastic ride... and I can appreciate why some people would prefer it... it's probably a more practical family car... but to say it performs better than the MS6 is just idiotic.

My friend has a Hyundai Sonata... suped up... puts out somewhere around 320hp/300tq it flies... it can do 0-60 really good... it can do the 1/4 mile really good... but there's no way in hell he can drive that car the way I drive my MS6... It's just not built the same way.

If you found you could drive an accord with the same zoom-zip as a MS6... it's because you reached the limit of your testicular fortitude not the mechanical limits of the MS6.

-Max

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Doboji
If you found you could drive an accord with the same zoom-zip as a MS6... it's because you reached the limit of your testicular fortitude not the mechanical limits of the MS6.

-Max

testicular fortitude in an accord or MS6?

those driver's have neither but love to talk the game.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Doboji
If you found you could drive an accord with the same zoom-zip as a MS6... it's because you reached the limit of your testicular fortitude not the mechanical limits of the MS6.

-Max

testicular fortitude in an accord or MS6?

those driver's have neither but love to talk the game.

Shouldn't you be shaving your chest or something?

 

[Mellman]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Did Mazda fix the TMIC heat issues?

Any info or more description on the problem you are referring to? I'd like to know if there is a known issue I should be checking out..

MS6's were known to build up a lot of heat causing heatsoak, reducing the efficiency of the turbo to a point where performance suffers noticeably. I'd imagine this will only be a more major issue in hotter climates & if you beat on it everywhere.

Find yourself a Mazda forum ASAP!

Hopefully they changed the oil filter design on these. On the I-4 Mazda6, it is a screwy PITA cartridge-type filter and is difficult to change, not to mention expensive. Start looking into that!

AFAIK this is also incorrect... The 'heat soak' was not in fact heat soak at all - it was a tune issue that mazda fixed with a reprogram at the dealer.

the MS3 has no similar issues from what i've seen from users so far.

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: clickynext

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
If you like wagons, the MazdaSpeed3 GT is where it's at, and outperforms a MZSD6 if I remember correctly.

I'd be surprised...and the 3 is too small anyhow IMO.

Edit: Well, it looks like it's close...but the MS3 is FWD only IIRC...I'd much rather have AWD...

Yeah, the MS3 is FWD, but it's very balanced, lighter than MS6 and a very well tuned FWD setup, so it does outperform the MS6. And I hear that the ratings Mazda released on the MS3 are actually lower than real numbers because they couldn't have a lower priced car beating the 6, at least not officially.

3 is actually a pretty good car space-wise. It's not all that much smaller than the 6 on the inside, especially in that hatchback where you have tons of cargo space on demand.

This isn't quite true. The MS3 is horribly overpowered for its FWD setup. In fact, the first 3 gears are wheelspin city even with the computer reducing boost through those gears. It's this lack of traction, this difficulty in hooking up, that causes it to not get the better numbers. Too bad they couldn't have made it RWD, it would be have made for a great old-skool-style Japanese hatch.

Thats not really true...magazines and user reviews have not complained of wheelspin city...

But yes I would've preferred it to be RWD...or AWD but meh i can live with FWD, they did an amazing job with the LSD.

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
If you like wagons, the MazdaSpeed3 GT is where it's at, and outperforms a MZSD6 if I remember correctly.

I'd be surprised...and the 3 is too small anyhow IMO.

Edit: Well, it looks like it's close...but the MS3 is FWD only IIRC...I'd much rather have AWD...

eah...not really. AWD on the mazda is not like awd on other cars. the MS6 is sluggish IMHO, feels heavy (it kinda is) and is just blah to drive. (drove on the street and at the mazda ZZL events)

I have a deposit on a MS3..they're two totally different cars. Both tune very well - already 50hp from a chip on the MS3. MS6 is the same motor, and mods are out for it as well.

The accord IS nice - i drove my buddies 06 EX-L 6 speed -it was fun, but still i'd take the MS3 over it. I'd take it over the MS6 though - it just did not enjoy the way it drove at ZZL.

All of this coming from a chevy fanboy...good god what is the world coming to?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Doboji
If you found you could drive an accord with the same zoom-zip as a MS6... it's because you reached the limit of your testicular fortitude not the mechanical limits of the MS6.

-Max

testicular fortitude in an accord or MS6?

those driver's have neither but love to talk the game.

Shouldn't you be shaving your chest or something?

I guess if I wanted to impress boys.

I have shaved my chest in my live though...after meeting women in their later 20's, they preferred the chest hair over bare chest usually.