Anyone have a Mazdaspeed 6?

[Cattlegod]

you can buy a car through Costco?

 

[SVT Cobra]

If you like wagons, the MazdaSpeed3 GT is where it's at, and outperforms a MZSD6 if I remember correctly.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
If you like wagons, the MazdaSpeed3 GT is where it's at, and outperforms a MZSD6 if I remember correctly.

I'd be surprised...and the 3 is too small anyhow IMO.

Edit: Well, it looks like it's close...but the MS3 is FWD only IIRC...I'd much rather have AWD...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Mazdaspeed6 is almost a real sports car - Accord V6 is a family car with a 6-speed transmission. The two do not compare.

But but but 0-60 and 1/4-mile times are everything!!!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
you can buy a car through Costco?

You don't buy through Costco directly, it's a buying service through select dealerships. In return for Costco's business referral volume, the dealerships will offer a no-haggle lowest-price guarantee.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Motor trend says a 5.8 0-60, a 14.3 1/4 and a braking distance of 113 feet for the Speed6.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sed..._awd_sedan_comparison/specs_price.html

Plus the Mazda just has a much more sport tuned suspension than family oriented Accord.

I'm lookin at modernracer.com. BTW, I know you'd think that, and the suspension in the mazda is nice, but have you actually driven the new V6 accords? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Hmm.

Mazdaspeed6: AWD Turbo 4Cyl, sport-tuned.

Accord: FWD 6cyl, non-tuned.

Not even in the same damn category.

They are in the exact same category because they have roughly the same dimensions, same performance and address similar crowds. So what if one is a Turbo and the other isn't? Does that mean a Mercedes C230 Kompressor and a BMW 325i aren't in the same category because one is supercharged and the other isn't?

Besides that, the Mazdaspeed6 isn't an AWD in the same sense a Subaru is; It's normally a FWD with the ability to invoke the rear wheels on demand, much like VW's 4Motion.

And on top - unless you're dealing with really adverse weather, I doubt - as someone with a fair experience with high performance driving - that the average buyer of these cars will know which one is AWD and which isn't, especially when the AWD isn't permanent and both are likely to be equipped with state-of-the-art electronic stability programs.

I agree they are very different cars, probably, but I could see how an average joe will debate between them. I mean, when you need a family sedan with lots of horsepower, both can work for you. The MS6 is far from an STi.

BTW, if you want something to drive every day, fun, quick and frugal, try a VW GTI with the DSG 'box. It's probably much more fun than either one, I really like the interior and the handling. Great car.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Mazdaspeed6 is almost a real sports car - Accord V6 is a family car with a 6-speed transmission. The two do not compare.

But but but 0-60 and 1/4-mile times are everything!!!

But....but....your Subaru doesn't have a 6-speed manual, it MUST be inferior to the Accord V6 :Q

 

[evident]

you can buy a car from costco?

 

[clickynext]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
If you like wagons, the MazdaSpeed3 GT is where it's at, and outperforms a MZSD6 if I remember correctly.

I'd be surprised...and the 3 is too small anyhow IMO.

Edit: Well, it looks like it's close...but the MS3 is FWD only IIRC...I'd much rather have AWD...

Yeah, the MS3 is FWD, but it's very balanced, lighter than MS6 and a very well tuned FWD setup, so it does outperform the MS6. And I hear that the ratings Mazda released on the MS3 are actually lower than real numbers because they couldn't have a lower priced car beating the 6, at least not officially.

3 is actually a pretty good car space-wise. It's not all that much smaller than the 6 on the inside, especially in that hatchback where you have tons of cargo space on demand.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: clickynext

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
If you like wagons, the MazdaSpeed3 GT is where it's at, and outperforms a MZSD6 if I remember correctly.

I'd be surprised...and the 3 is too small anyhow IMO.

Edit: Well, it looks like it's close...but the MS3 is FWD only IIRC...I'd much rather have AWD...

Yeah, the MS3 is FWD, but it's very balanced, lighter than MS6 and a very well tuned FWD setup, so it does outperform the MS6. And I hear that the ratings Mazda released on the MS3 are actually lower than real numbers because they couldn't have a lower priced car beating the 6, at least not officially.

3 is actually a pretty good car space-wise. It's not all that much smaller than the 6 on the inside, especially in that hatchback where you have tons of cargo space on demand.

This isn't quite true. The MS3 is horribly overpowered for its FWD setup. In fact, the first 3 gears are wheelspin city even with the computer reducing boost through those gears. It's this lack of traction, this difficulty in hooking up, that causes it to not get the better numbers. Too bad they couldn't have made it RWD, it would be have made for a great old-skool-style Japanese hatch.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
They are in the exact same category because they have roughly the same dimensions, same performance and address similar crowds. So what if one is a Turbo and the other isn't? Does that mean a Mercedes C230 Kompressor and a BMW 325i aren't in the same category because one is supercharged and the other isn't? Do you think the turbo is the only difference? The MS6 was designed as a performance vehicle, the Accord an economy semi-luxury car. Just because they are a similar size doesn't mean they are "in the exact same category." If you ignore performance, then yes!

Besides that, the Mazdaspeed6 isn't an AWD in the same sense a Subaru is; It's normally a FWD with the ability to invoke the rear wheels on demand, much like VW's 4Motion.

And on top - unless you're dealing with really adverse weather, I doubt - as someone with a fair experience with high performance driving - that the average buyer of these cars will know which one is AWD and which isn't, especially when the AWD isn't permanent and both are likely to be equipped with state-of-the-art electronic stability programs.

I agree they are very different cars, probably, but I could see how an average joe will debate between them. I mean, when you need a family sedan with lots of horsepower, both can work for you. The MS6 is far from an STi. There is a difference between an N/A 3.0L V6 240HP vs a turbo 2.3L I-4 270HP+. The turbo would be faster even if it only made 240HP. The other thing to keep in mind is that the MS6 isn't just a Mazda6 with turbo strapped on. The transmission, drivetrain, suspension, and everything else has been ugpraded to keep with the performance characteristics of the vehicle. The Accord is no such beast.

BTW, if you want something to drive every day, fun, quick and frugal, try a VW GTI with the DSG 'box. It's probably much more fun than either one, I really like the interior and the handling. Great car.

 

[Insane3D]

<-- Just signed the papers today on my first new car...2006 Mazdaspeed 6 GT.

I pick it up in a week...

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
<-- Just signed the papers today on my first new car...2006 Mazdaspeed 6 GT.

I pick it up in a week...

:thumbsup:

What color?

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Insane3D
<-- Just signed the papers today on my first new car...2006 Mazdaspeed 6 GT.

I pick it up in a week...

:thumbsup:

What color?

"Liquid Platinum Metallic"

Black leather interior...

 

[clickynext]

Congrats! Make sure you post pics.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: clickynext
Congrats! Make sure you post pics.

Thanks!

Also, of course there will be pics!

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: clickynext
Congrats! Make sure you post pics.

Thanks!

Also, of course there will be pics!

Congrats!

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: clickynext

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
If you like wagons, the MazdaSpeed3 GT is where it's at, and outperforms a MZSD6 if I remember correctly.

I'd be surprised...and the 3 is too small anyhow IMO.

Edit: Well, it looks like it's close...but the MS3 is FWD only IIRC...I'd much rather have AWD...

Yeah, the MS3 is FWD, but it's very balanced, lighter than MS6 and a very well tuned FWD setup, so it does outperform the MS6. And I hear that the ratings Mazda released on the MS3 are actually lower than real numbers because they couldn't have a lower priced car beating the 6, at least not officially.

3 is actually a pretty good car space-wise. It's not all that much smaller than the 6 on the inside, especially in that hatchback where you have tons of cargo space on demand.

This isn't quite true. The MS3 is horribly overpowered for its FWD setup. In fact, the first 3 gears are wheelspin city even with the computer reducing boost through those gears. It's this lack of traction, this difficulty in hooking up, that causes it to not get the better numbers. Too bad they couldn't have made it RWD, it would be have made for a great old-skool-style Japanese hatch.

Where the heck have you read that? Yes it is FWD, yet Mazda has a great computer controlled program that harnesses torque steer, so no what you say is the opposite of what the rave reviews have said.

The only other real bad thing is that one, it is a hatchback (blahh), and the shifter is spongy (although some say it is precise).

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: clickynext
Congrats! Make sure you post pics.

Thanks!

Also, of course there will be pics!

Congrats!!! I was considering a Legacy GT myself and my buddy wanted an MS6. Funny I ended up with a GTO and he's got his sights set on a BMW 335i

You best post up pics and impressions Esp after the breakin and you can flog it :evil:

 

[Insane3D]

:thumbsup:

So, speaking of break in, what is the optimal procedure/time for a motor like this. I've been working on pushrod V8's so long I'm not really familiar with a lot of these new, smaller turbo engines. The car had 50 miles on it when I got in today, and 63 when I got out...

I'll probably do the oil changes myself, and use Mobil 1 and a decent filter...

 

[Sheepathon]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
<-- Just signed the papers today on my first new car...2006 Mazdaspeed 6 GT.

I pick it up in a week...

OMGJEALOUS

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: clickynext

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
If you like wagons, the MazdaSpeed3 GT is where it's at, and outperforms a MZSD6 if I remember correctly.

I'd be surprised...and the 3 is too small anyhow IMO.

Edit: Well, it looks like it's close...but the MS3 is FWD only IIRC...I'd much rather have AWD...

Yeah, the MS3 is FWD, but it's very balanced, lighter than MS6 and a very well tuned FWD setup, so it does outperform the MS6. And I hear that the ratings Mazda released on the MS3 are actually lower than real numbers because they couldn't have a lower priced car beating the 6, at least not officially.

3 is actually a pretty good car space-wise. It's not all that much smaller than the 6 on the inside, especially in that hatchback where you have tons of cargo space on demand.

This isn't quite true. The MS3 is horribly overpowered for its FWD setup. In fact, the first 3 gears are wheelspin city even with the computer reducing boost through those gears. It's this lack of traction, this difficulty in hooking up, that causes it to not get the better numbers. Too bad they couldn't have made it RWD, it would be have made for a great old-skool-style Japanese hatch.

Where the heck have you read that? Yes it is FWD, yet Mazda has a great computer controlled program that harnesses torque steer, so no what you say is the opposite of what the rave reviews have said.

The only other real bad thing is that one, it is a hatchback (blahh), and the shifter is spongy (although some say it is precise).

I've driven one. There's almost no torque steer. That's not what I was talking about it. It doesn't hook up well. It's wheelspin city unless you launch it just right and it does reduce the max boost in the lower gears to try to reduce wheelspin. Shifter was typical fantastic Mazda, almost as good as a Miata. I like the hatchback.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: clickynext

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
If you like wagons, the MazdaSpeed3 GT is where it's at, and outperforms a MZSD6 if I remember correctly.

I'd be surprised...and the 3 is too small anyhow IMO.

Edit: Well, it looks like it's close...but the MS3 is FWD only IIRC...I'd much rather have AWD...

Yeah, the MS3 is FWD, but it's very balanced, lighter than MS6 and a very well tuned FWD setup, so it does outperform the MS6. And I hear that the ratings Mazda released on the MS3 are actually lower than real numbers because they couldn't have a lower priced car beating the 6, at least not officially.

3 is actually a pretty good car space-wise. It's not all that much smaller than the 6 on the inside, especially in that hatchback where you have tons of cargo space on demand.

This isn't quite true. The MS3 is horribly overpowered for its FWD setup. In fact, the first 3 gears are wheelspin city even with the computer reducing boost through those gears. It's this lack of traction, this difficulty in hooking up, that causes it to not get the better numbers. Too bad they couldn't have made it RWD, it would be have made for a great old-skool-style Japanese hatch.

Where the heck have you read that? Yes it is FWD, yet Mazda has a great computer controlled program that harnesses torque steer, so no what you say is the opposite of what the rave reviews have said.

The only other real bad thing is that one, it is a hatchback (blahh), and the shifter is spongy (although some say it is precise).

I've driven one. There's almost no torque steer. That's not what I was talking about it. It doesn't hook up well. It's wheelspin city unless you launch it just right and it does reduce the max boost in the lower gears to try to reduce wheelspin. Shifter was typical fantastic Mazda, almost as good as a Miata. I like the hatchback.

Oh I see, traction. Was the traction control turned off (assuming you were not trying to intentially launch it, then it would be turned off)?

 

[Insane3D]

Speaking of the Speed 3, why didn't they go AWD on that too?

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Speaking of the Speed 3, why didn't they go AWD on that too?

Cost. It would have put it another $1500+ more. Plus the added weight (200+ pounds) wasn't that welcomed.