Anyone else sitting this round out?

[Shmee]

Guys, this is not the place for a debate on RTX or ray tracing or AMD vs Nvidia. Please stay on topic, and cut out the arguing and trolling.

 

[fleshconsumed]

How do you figure $250 for a top model 1660 ti is a poor value may I ask??
It games at 4k and 1440p plus plays all the UHD Blu-rays I can throw at it and takes like half the power or less to run Vs. say a 2060, 2070 super and rx 5700 xt!!
The only down side I can think of is that darn 6gb of V-ram.
I could care less about Ray tracing for now as that wont even be a real thing for another year or two and by then I will have the next best thing out which will run circles round the current stuff.
$100-$150 more for the RX 5700 xt or the 2060 super is a bad value in my opinion!!
Or until they start doing game bundles with the cards again which I am a huge sucker for.

1660ti loses to Vega56, 1070, and of course 2060. Sure, it's faster than RX480/1060, but at twice the price. If it fits your budget and works for the games that you play - great. However, IMO it's a "place holder" card, if I were in the market, I'd either go for used RX480 at half the price or add another $100 and get 2060 or 5700.

 

[amenx]

1660ti loses to Vega56, 1070, and of course 2060. Sure, it's faster than RX480/1060, but at twice the price. If it fits your budget and works for the games that you play - great. However, IMO it's a "place holder" card, if I were in the market, I'd either go for used RX480 at half the price or add another $100 and get 2060 or 5700.

1660ti is about equal to a 1070.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/zotac-geforce-gtx-1660-ti/28.html

Not sure why anyone would opt for a used RX480 over it, nor pay $100 for the other cards. Its $250 price is about right for what it does. It may be a 'place holder' in a sense, but no more so than the other cards at this stage.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

1660ti loses to Vega56, 1070, and of course 2060. Sure, it's faster than RX480/1060, but at twice the price. If it fits your budget and works for the games that you play - great. However, IMO it's a "place holder" card, if I were in the market, I'd either go for used RX480 at half the price or add another $100 and get 2060 or 5700.

No thanks, Vega's not for me any more.. I used to want one back in the day when they first got released but not any more because it uses twice the power the 1660 ti uses, runs hotter , and is based on older architecture.
For the power savings alone I can deal with a 6% hit at performance vs a Vega 56.
Besides if I were to get a card it would be either the RX 5700 XT AIB or 2070 Super if they were on sale for under $400.
Both are awesome cards, I just feel like they are price gouging everyone.

 

[Ranulf]

I just feel like they are price gouging everyone.

Yes, hence why sitting out. If you got a dual fan 1660ti for $250, thats the best deal I've heard of out there. The cheapest I've seen were $250-270 for the entry models and 2-3 weeks ago there were sales on the cheap single fan 2060's down to $270-280 (not worth it imo because single fan and some have horrible heatsinks). Custom 1660ti's are $270-300 right now.

If a custom 2060 or 1660ti were $300-315 or $225-250 respectively I'd take the risk and replace my 970 with one of those for that system. Even Navi is overpriced $50-100 for what is a polaris replacement.

 

[VirtualLarry]

There was an Asus "TUF" RTX 2060 (non-Super) dual-fan model (but smaller card), for $299 AP AR a few days ago @ Newegg, was considering it.

Just now, I see that Newegg has an MSI Vega 56 "Air Boost" for $229 AP AR, but as JBM mentioned, I'm not a fan of the heat/power-consumption issue with Vega 56. I mostly mine on my PCs, or do DC, and it's just not all that profitable. (Less so than the RX 570 cards I have in there now, due to power-consumption issues.)

Still on the lookout for a $250 1660ti, lowest I think that I've personally seen was $269 for a dual-fan model.

Or maybe, next month, if I splurge and get an AIB RX 5700XT (what I really want, I think, so that I can game on this 40" 4K60 TV/monitor I'm using.)

 

[fleshconsumed]

I dream of AMD doing 5700XT refresh on the 7nm++ node and dropping prices next year Maybe then I'll bite.

 

[guachi]

Or maybe, next month, if I splurge and get an AIB RX 5700XT (what I really want, I think, so that I can game on this 40" 4K60 TV/monitor I'm using.)

Depending on how dedicated you are, those online in-stock trackers might come in handy. The Sapphire Pulse for $410 looks like a great card. Not much faster but the $10 certainly makes the card quieter and cooler.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

I made the offer to my son a few days ago that if we see a report card in the first grading period with all As we would get him a new GPU to replace his 980ti that took a dump. Hes on a 1050ti right now and plays a lot of fortnight and has a 144hz Gsync/Freesync monitor. What would be a good bump in performance be in the 3-400 range?

 

[VirtualLarry]

RTX 2060 (Asus TUF) is like $299 AP AR right now @ Newegg. That would probably be good for him.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I made the offer to my son a few days ago that if we see a report card in the first grading period with all As we would get him a new GPU to replace his 980ti that took a dump. Hes on a 1050ti right now and plays a lot of fortnight and has a 144hz Gsync/Freesync monitor. What would be a good bump in performance be in the 3-400 range?

Honestly I would have trouble recommending anything other than a 5700XT. It's not the most exciting product in the world (in my opinion) but if you are in that price range buying new, I don't think you can get anything better. Note that you can go cheaper if you want since 5700XT is going to be on the high end of your range ($400).

 

[Hitman928]

I made the offer to my son a few days ago that if we see a report card in the first grading period with all As we would get him a new GPU to replace his 980ti that took a dump. Hes on a 1050ti right now and plays a lot of fortnight and has a 144hz Gsync/Freesync monitor. What would be a good bump in performance be in the 3-400 range?

2060 or 2060 Super for Nvidia, 5700 or 5700XT for AMD. Here's a quick comparison between the 5700 and 2060 Super. The 5700XT will be about 15% faster on average over the 5700 and the 2060 will be about 10% slower than the 2060 super.

I've also seen some Vega56 cards at ~$300 if you're up for that.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

RTX 2060 (Asus TUF) is like $299 AP AR right now @ Newegg. That would probably be good for him.

Wow that is an insanely good deal right now..
If i didnt just get this 1660 ti , I would be all over that bad boy.
I'm trying very hard not to spend not even a dime of my money so I have the funds next month for the 3950x but all these deals keep popping up for this or that.
Must resist must resist LOL

 

[happy medium]

2060super vs rx5700(xt).
Which card overclocks more the 2060s or 5700xt?
In my opinion the 2070 super I just saw on Newegg for $499 and 2 free games would be my choice, if I was in the market for a gaming card.
Overclocked they are faster than a rtx2080, and I overclock most of my cards .

 

[fleshconsumed]

2060super vs rx5700(xt).
Which card overclocks more the 2060s or 5700xt?
In my opinion the 2070 super I just saw on Newegg for $499 and 2 free games would be my choice, if I was in the market for a gaming card.
Overclocked they are faster than a rtx2080, and I overclock most of my cards .

Eh... 2070 Super is $100 or 25% more expensive than 5700XT and only 13% faster. Overclocked 2070S would be 25% more expensive and 25% faster. If you exclude game value that's a very flat performance/price ratio, meaning one could go either way depending on performance requirements and budget. Very boring times.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Eh... 2070 Super is $100 or 25% more expensive than 5700XT and only 13% faster. Overclocked 2070S would be 25% more expensive and 25% faster. If you exclude game value that's a very flat performance/price ratio, meaning one could go either way depending on performance requirements and budget. Very boring times.

Exactly. Plus its out of @RadiclDreamer 's stated price range, so that ought to disqualify it immediately.

In the $300-$400 range, 5700XT is the best buy. 2060s isn't as fast and costs the same:

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=446,444&sort=price&page=1

 

[Genx87]

I've been a long time gamer and hobby builder who has always loved to have the latest or at least close to the latest gear as possible.

The last few years have been very disappointing to me though. The prices have climbed faster than I can ever remember them doing in the past and the performance gains have all but stopped. It used to be a $300-$500 card would net you around a 50% performance bump at least. Now its $1200 and the gains are far lower.

Is it lack of competition? Or are we just finally starting to hit the same walls that CPUs hit a few years back?

Ray tracing is a cool concept, but to me it seems to be too little and too costly to get any real traction. Kind of like when PhysX first started making add in cards. It was a really great feature and in my opinion criminally underutilized but it was so expensive for a single visual effect.

Lack of games to push the envelope. I have an i7 7700k built 2.5 years ago with a 1070. All my games run 2560x1440 without issue.
Also for me the lack of time to play any games has me caring less about gaming. I do enjoy The Division 2 about once a week for a couple hours.

 

[richaron]

RTX 2060 (Asus TUF) is like $299 AP AR right now @ Newegg. That would probably be good for him.

Up until now I've been fairly happy with my (almost) universally disliked Vega 64. But I'll still be sitting out for a while yet.

Prices like this relates to roughly $200 loss for the same performance over 2 years (from $500 Vega 64 @ launch), not even counting efficiency or feature gains. Which aren't the best figures. That being said I'm happy paying (or losing) a few $hundred per year for a gaming PC, and this level of performance will be fine for me a while yet.

 

[mohit9206]

I made the offer to my son a few days ago that if we see a report card in the first grading period with all As we would get him a new GPU to replace his 980ti that took a dump. Hes on a 1050ti right now and plays a lot of fortnight and has a 144hz Gsync/Freesync monitor. What would be a good bump in performance be in the 3-400 range?

Hey its me, your son.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I’m planning a new build and currently trying to decide do I stick with my 280X or go for a 1660ti. Still feels like I’m getting screwed regarding graphics cards.
I get that a 1660 it would be like double the speed but I sort of expect more than that since there is a 5 or 6 year gap between them.
This used to be exciting stuff to
Plan but ever since the mining craze cards have gotten very expensive or very boring

 

[mohit9206]

I’m planning a new build and currently trying to decide do I stick with my 280X or go for a 1660ti. Still feels like I’m getting screwed regarding graphics cards.
I get that a 1660 it would be like double the speed but I sort of expect more than that since there is a 5 or 6 year gap between them.

Adjust your expectations because you will never see big jumps again. 1660Ti for around 250 is a good buy but I would be a little uncomfortable with 6gb.

 

[guachi]

I made the offer to my son a few days ago that if we see a report card in the first grading period with all As we would get him a new GPU to replace his 980ti that took a dump. Hes on a 1050ti right now and plays a lot of fortnight and has a 144hz Gsync/Freesync monitor. What would be a good bump in performance be in the 3-400 range?

What resolution? If it's 144Hz it could be 1080 or 1440.

At 1080 the two Navi cards are relatively better at 1080 than 1440 and 4k. If you can swing $410 the Sapphire Pulse is a dynamite card that's overkill at 1080 but it will play anything and will still play anything for several years.

It is also a dynamite 1440 card, as well so if you ever upgrade the monitor the card will still suffice.

Until the 5700 AIB cards come out I see little reason for anyone to get either the 2060S or 2070S or the regular 5700.

It's 5700XT or nothing.

 

[AtenRa]

Anyone else sitting this round out?

Certainly , I was waiting for NAVI to replace my Polaris card but with those prices I instead bought a new 32" 144hz curved Monitor.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

What resolution? If it's 144Hz it could be 1080 or 1440.

At 1080 the two Navi cards are relatively better at 1080 than 1440 and 4k. If you can swing $410 the Sapphire Pulse is a dynamite card that's overkill at 1080 but it will play anything and will still play anything for several years.

It is also a dynamite 1440 card, as well so if you ever upgrade the monitor the card will still suffice.

Until the 5700 AIB cards come out I see little reason for anyone to get either the 2060S or 2070S or the regular 5700.

It's 5700XT or nothing.

I picked up a 2060 super. Navi still has some maturation to do before I buy another one. It will be the red devil limited. The reference was a bad time aka too much of a time sink and hassles. Super cost me $400 shipped, 2 games, good overclocker, cool and quiet. People obsess about value from PC parts in a way I rarely see outside of the industry.

The 2060 super has already provided me with 50hrs+ of fun. Opportunity cost FTW, as that is 50hrs I will never get back and life is too short to sit around waiting for the next BBD. Not including the hours wasted trying to get Navi going. As tech jesus opined, it has quality of life issues that need addressing before buying it again. I used to be on that merry-go-round of over analyzing price performance power etc, but I finally jumped off some time back. That does not mean I throw a bunch of cash at hardware, but my spending philosophy has definitely changed, for the better I think.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Certainly , I was waiting for NAVI to replace my Polaris card but with those prices I instead bought a new 32" 144hz curved Monitor.

I know, right? AMD whiffed on that market segment. Maybe they'll get it right next time around. Heh.