Anyone Else Not Give a Damn About The Zimmerman Case?

[Drako]

I don't, but it does amaze me at how many people do.

The thread in P&N is proof of that. How people invest so much of their time in it boggles my mind.

 

[sourn]

Don't care. Why should I?

If it was a white on white nobody would care.

If it was black on black nobody would care.

This is simple something for people to bitch about that's all.

 

[MaxPayne63]

I don't care about the case. The only thing remotely interesting is how blatant and ridiculous the propaganda surrounding it is.

I suspect the P&N cesspool thread would make me believe in god just long enough to pray for an asteroid to hit the earth.

 

[TallBill]

I personally don't give a fuck.

 

[Fenixgoon]

404 fucks not found.

 

[Patranus]

Interesting.
A Hispanic kills a African American, the media jumps all over it as being a white vs black issue, and now we are here. If Obama and the DOJ (which spend TAXPAYER DOLLARS to organize marches with Jessie Jackson ect.) didn't get involved Zimmerman would have never been charged and it would be an issue.

 

[Sinsear]

I care just because i want to see if they riot

 

[BUTCH1]

I just hope there is no riots and shit when(if) he gets off, we had to eat the OJ shit, if it doesn't turn out the way you wanted, deal with it. IMHO he just should have left the teen to run off, he couldn't fight his way through wet tissue paper so that's all the more reason to let the cops track him down, when the pooh-bear cant fight he's gonna shoot, he should have admitted to himself that the gun was gonna play into it if TM attacked him...

 

[Dr. Zaus]

he should have admitted to himself that the gun was gonna play into it if TM attacked him...

I think he was counting on it.

Tiny-Balls like him live for the day they get to be 'justified' in killing another man.

 

[Craig234]

I woiuldn't say I don't care, but I don't give it almost any importance as a national news story.

It seems to me it's a sad case where one guy trying to catch local criminals encountered an innocent boy and the hostility of their interaction - whoever was at fault, combined with the former having a gun - led to argument and violence quickly and a fatal shooting, with one more at fault than the other where it's very hard for us to tell just what happened.

It speaks to a few things. One is the danger of people going around armed. Another is the danger of people confronting suspiciious strangers - something I have some sympathy for. for example, I saw a kid who could have been Trayvon's age on a bike in my neighborhood I thiought was suspicious. I told him I wanted his name, he was hostile. Wanted to know why I asked, I mentioned crime in the area, and followed him in a car slowly for blocks. He got on his cell phone and eventually someone else who was pretty clearly to me a criminal type around his 30's met him and tried to seem threatening. I didn't have a cell phone to have the police check them out. For example, they were laughing about the spot he'd stopped being the place local drug deals used to be done - something they seemed familiar with.

The next day a third young guy who seemed to be a gang member had the nerve to come to my house where this had started and yell crazy things (about how he was the devil and such) and demanded his friends be left alone. He left by the time police responded to my call.

Any of these situations cold easily have escalated; on the other hand, I did not feel like ignoring suspicious people when there were crimes going on.

Before this, for example, I had the experience of being on the computer late at night, when a face appeared in the window to my back yard around 2AM of a would-be burglar.

Bottom line is that a case like this is tragic, but often the evidence of just who did what wrong is hard enough to obtain that any standard of 'beyond a reasonable doubt' is likely to leave much crime unprovable, and that's the least bad situation - hopefully there's enough chance of a crime being proven to provide some motive not to do wrong.

At least it's not the istuation in India, where a young perpetrator is charged being one of a mob who raped and killed a girl, and if convicted the maximum is three years.

I'm largely in favor of rehabilition of young people (and everyone), but that's extremely light.

Of course, these are all reasons in addition to other reasons for trying to reduce problems with poverty, education and more to help prevent crime and other problems.

 

[randomrogue]

seriously. i couldn't give one shit, letalone two. real stuff is going on in the world and we're giving too much of a fuck about this?

smdh.

I find a couple things interesting

1. Zimmerman had a fully loaded clip with a round in the chamber and was patrolling the neighborhood profiling and following a black kid and getting into a confrontation with him right by his home. All this despite not needing to and being told by the police that he wasn't needed.

2. The prosecution doesn't appear to have put an ounce of effort into figuring out or proving who actually started the fight. This is really all that matters in this case at this point.

3. Forget the racial issues for a moment. What this case says most about America is that our gun culture is bizarre. At this point what worries me most is that if they can't prove who started the fight there will remain that doubt and it is basically saying that if you start a fight and are losing it's ok to shoot the other guy.

I don't think he'll get convicted. The prosecution is just stupid based on what I've read. There's too much reasonable doubt.

 

[Jeeebus]

seriously. i couldn't give one shit, letalone two. real stuff is going on in the world and we're giving too much of a fuck about this?

smdh.

I care so little about the case that I wouldn't take the time to post a thread about it on ATOT and solicit comments from other people to confirm/justify my lack of care. But hey, that's just me.

 

[Doppel]

Umm no. Trayvon never got to see his 18th birthday. He was only 17 which is a minor.


Also how could Trayvon be the aggressor when he was trying to get away from someone he saw as a "creepy ass cracka".

Trayvon may have got the best of him in the fist fight but I don't believe he initiated the confrontation.

Zimmerman stalked him with a gun and that is on audio tape in the call Zimmerman made to the police.

Perfect, perfect example of somebody following the case only briefly and going on talking points.

Trayvon had already gotten away from GZ. The evidence points to this. It also points to him voluntarily going back to GZ to confront him. There was no "trying" to get away; he succeeded and doubled-back, more than likely. There was no stalking with a gun. There was following on behalf of police (who never *told* him not to, despite people's claims to the contrary) and he carried a gun for self-defense.

All this is what the jury has seen and he'll be acquitted shortly.

Zimmerman had a fully loaded clip with a round in the chamber

This is very common in carrying a weapon. Why do you think police do it this way?

The 911 dispatcher saying we don't need you to do that is boiler plate, he says it to everybody at all times and has said that.

At this point what worries me most is that if they can't prove who started the fight there will remain that doubt and it is basically saying that if you start a fight and are losing it's ok to shoot the other guy.

Nope, it doesn't say that. You're starting again with the presumption that GZ started the fight when there is no evidence of that. It tells me: If you get in a fight and a thug is causing you serious harm with the potential to cause permanent or fatal injury you better hope you are armed.

Realize that Trayvon WAS a thug. In addition to his fight history, the fact he seems to have been sore that day from a previous fight, this 17 year old was also actively interested in illegally buying a handgun. It all ties into him as being an aggressive, significantly non law-abiding person who thought it acceptable to respond to a non-physical confrontation physically.

 

[sourceninja]

My take, Zimmerman was a douche bag doing a douche bag thing. It was poor judgement and down right stupid.

Unfortunately for Martin's family, being stupid and a douche bag or even a racist is not illegal.

Martin appears to have started the physical confrontation. This makes him the aggressor and starts the physical fight. Once that happens all you have to say is you fears for your life (your life does not have to be in danger, you just have to 'prove' you feared for it) and you have a legal shooting.

Both parties acted poorly. Zimmerman has really shown he can't handle the responsibility of a firearm. However I think this whole thing has blown up and really should have never made it to court. If Zimmerman goes to jail it will just be another bad decision on top of bad decisions.

 

[Fingolfin269]

The story Craig234 weaves about his neighborhood is more exciting to me than this case.

 

[dabuddha]

/me raises his hand.

 

[PokerGuy]

Zimmerman injuries were not life threatening. He didn't even need stiches. All he needed was a couple of band aids.

Completely irrelevant. Even if he suffered no wounds at all, if he was reasonably in fear for his safety (and who wouldn't be when a thug was attacking him) he had every right to shoot the thug assaulting him.

in the end but Zimmerman didn't even have to fight back... he had a gun.

That's exactly what a gun should be used for, to defend oneself from a violent attacker. There is no requirement that you have to fight back "fairly" using the same means as the attacker, you use whatever you can.

You can't go around shooting unarmed people and not expect to be tried.

Actually, if those 'unarmed' people are assaulting you, then yes, you can shoot them and yes, you should expect to not be subjected to mob "justice" as GZ has been in this case thanks to racists like holder and sharpton.

 

[PokerGuy]

OP: I don't particularly case about this case, Zimmerman or Martin. What I do care about is what this case has once again exposed: political correctness, racism, media bias and outside interference causing an innocent man to be subjected to bogus charges that could land him in jail for life.

 

[Zargon]

the case has does nothing other than remind me of the victim culture some minority figures cling to, how crazy racists are, how horrid our media and president are, and how stupid people are about guns(see randomrogues post and anyone else who ascertains that concealed carrying a loaded weapon = looking to kill someone)

 

[JM Aggie08]

People die everyday and go unnoticed.

I don't give a shit about some 15 year old in FL.

 

[Scarpozzi]

What's really sad is that this kid's parents lost their son. They raised him from a baby and if he was a thug or not doesn't matter to them. There was a kid maybe only a few years from innocence that lost his life too early.

If Z hadn't capped him, what's the worst that T would have done that night? Did he have a prior record of theft or assault?

I'm white and don't care about T or Z....I care more about my personal safety and my family's safety and want whoever was wrong in this case to be punished.

What I don't want to see is this become a race thing for idiots like Jesse Jackson who's only goal is to get more support for himself and defend people he didn't know personally.

 

[lupi]

In a vacuum, with consideration to the state's laws, there was almost certainly too much reasonable doubt to bring up formal charges but certain elements of the legal system got race baited into doing so.

But who cares about that crap, let's hear more about c1234 getting ready to go neighborhood vigilante.

 

[Paratus]

Perfect, perfect example of somebody following the case only briefly and going on talking points.

Trayvon had already gotten away from GZ. The evidence points to this. It also points to him voluntarily going back to GZ to confront him. There was no "trying" to get away; he succeeded and doubled-back, more than likely. There was no stalking with a gun. There was following on behalf of police (who never *told* him not to, despite people's claims to the contrary) and he carried a gun for self-defense.

All this is what the jury has seen and he'll be acquitted shortly.
This is very common in carrying a weapon. Why do you think police do it this way?

The 911 dispatcher saying we don't need you to do that is boiler plate, he says it to everybody at all times and has said that.Nope, it doesn't say that. You're starting again with the presumption that GZ started the fight when there is no evidence of that. It tells me: If you get in a fight and a thug is causing you serious harm with the potential to cause permanent or fatal injury you better hope you are armed.

Realize that Trayvon WAS a thug. In addition to his fight history, the fact he seems to have been sore that day from a previous fight, this 17 year old was also actively interested in illegally buying a handgun. It all ties into him as being an aggressive, significantly non law-abiding person who thought it acceptable to respond to a non-physical confrontation physically.

This has nothing to do with anything. If GZ feared for his life, according to state law he could defend himself with lethal force even if TM was a 9 year old choir boy.

The flip side is TM had every right to be there an to go back and confront GZ about why he was being followed. State law would have protected TM if he had killed GZ if he was afraid for his life. Which as a minor being stalked by an armed stranger, from TZs POV, would have been reasonable.

The tragedy here for everyone else is state law basically says last man standing is innocent. Which is quite frankly fucked up.

 

[JM Aggie08]

What's really sad is that this kid's parents lost their son. They raised him from a baby and if he was a thug or not doesn't matter to them. There was a kid maybe only a few years from innocence that lost his life too early.

If Z hadn't capped him, what's the worst that T would have done that night? Did he have a prior record of theft or assault?

I'm white and don't care about T or Z....I care more about my personal safety and my family's safety and want whoever was wrong in this case to be punished.

What I don't want to see is this become a race thing for idiots like Jesse Jackson who's only goal is to get more support for himself and defend people he didn't know personally.

Too late for that, brah.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

Its just another case. People die all the time.