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Orsorum

Lifer
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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordJezo
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well Wuss (your self description) when did Kerry ever call the Dub a Draft Dodger?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-viet09.html

I'm not seeing where he called him a draft dodger.

''I've said since the day I came back from Vietnam that it was not an issue to me if somebody chose to go to Canada or to go to jail or to be a conscientious objector or to serve in the National Guard or elsewhere,"

Seems to me that his inclusion of NG with other "draft dodgers". He seems to equate them.

CkG

Kerry said it was OK to choose service in the Guard over service in Vietnam, ''but when you make your choice, people have an obligation to at least live out the choice they make.''
 

LordJezo

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordJezo
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well Wuss (your self description) when did Kerry ever call the Dub a Draft Dodger?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-viet09.html

I'm not seeing where he called him a draft dodger.

''I've said since the day I came back from Vietnam that it was not an issue to me if somebody chose to go to Canada or to go to jail or to be a conscientious objector or to serve in the National Guard or elsewhere,"

Seems to me that his inclusion of NG with other "draft dodgers". He seems to equate them.

CkG

Kerry said it was OK to choose service in the Guard over service in Vietnam, ''but when you make your choice, people have an obligation to at least live out the choice they make.''

So essentially..

Kerry = can't do any wrong, Bush = everything he does is wrong.

Okay. Pretty much case closed now. See ya later.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: LordJezo
I was just about to post the same quote as CADkindaGUY but he beat me to it.
And that would have been the first time on this board that you ever had and posted a lucid thought. Too bad someone beat you to it!


 

Orsorum

Lifer
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Originally posted by: LordJezo

So essentially..

Kerry = can't do any wrong, Bush = everything he does is wrong.

Okay. Pretty much case closed now. See ya later.

What? From where are you drawing that conclusion?

The point of that quote was that Kerry didn't take issue with people joining the NG, but that if they deserted or went AWOL, they should be held to account.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: LordJezo
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordJezo
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well Wuss (your self description) when did Kerry ever call the Dub a Draft Dodger?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-viet09.html

I'm not seeing where he called him a draft dodger.

''I've said since the day I came back from Vietnam that it was not an issue to me if somebody chose to go to Canada or to go to jail or to be a conscientious objector or to serve in the National Guard or elsewhere,"

Seems to me that his inclusion of NG with other "draft dodgers". He seems to equate them.

CkG

Kerry said it was OK to choose service in the Guard over service in Vietnam, ''but when you make your choice, people have an obligation to at least live out the choice they make.''

So essentially..

Kerry = can't do any wrong, Bush = everything he does is wrong.

Okay. Pretty much case closed now. See ya later.
No Kerry has done a lot of wrong. This last week has been one of the better weeks for him in this campaign as he has been on vacation and hasn't said anything that has gotten him into trouble. Just because the Dub sucks doesn't mean that Kerry doesn't!
 

Orsorum

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: LordJezo
I was just about to post the same quote as CADkindaGUY but he beat me to it.
And that would have been the first time on this board that you ever had and posted a lucid thought. Too bad someone beat you to it!

Unfortunately that first was an anomaly, as he went right back to making dozens of random, irrelevant posts.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: LordJezo
I was just about to post the same quote as CADkindaGUY but he beat me to it.
And that would have been the first time on this board that you ever had and posted a lucid thought. Too bad someone beat you to it!

Unfortunately that first was an anomaly, as he went right back to making dozens of random, irrelevant posts.
That first never happened. Cad, who is known for being quickwitted, beat him to it!
 

Orsorum

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: LordJezo
I was just about to post the same quote as CADkindaGUY but he beat me to it.
And that would have been the first time on this board that you ever had and posted a lucid thought. Too bad someone beat you to it!

Unfortunately that first was an anomaly, as he went right back to making dozens of random, irrelevant posts.
That first never happened. Cad, who is known for being quickwitted, beat him to it!

I stand corrected!
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: LordJezo
I was just about to post the same quote as CADkindaGUY but he beat me to it.
And that would have been the first time on this board that you ever had and posted a lucid thought. Too bad someone beat you to it!

Unfortunately that first was an anomaly, as he went right back to making dozens of random, irrelevant posts.
That first never happened. Cad, who is known for being quickwitted, beat him to it!

I stand corrected!

Sorry LordJezo - I'll pause for a minute before hitting the reply button from now on.:p :D

CkG
 

CaptnKirk

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Libya, 1986 Reagan

From the article:
"The American official justification for the 1986 air and sea raids on Libya was self-defence, but up to date there has not been any evidence of Libya's involvement in the Berlin bombings which means the 1986 attacks were planned long before the Berlin incident."

And interestingly enough near the bottom of the article:
"The official justification for the 1986 air and sea raid on Libya , as stated by the American president Ronald Reagan, and echoed by his Cabinet, was self-defense (to prevent any more terrorist attacks on American citizens abroad.) The American Christopher Ficek wrote in his page " ...... this U.S. military intervention remains a unique situation. Never before in American history had the fight against terrorism been the primary justification for committing U.S. troops to direct combat."

Looks like Dubya is a Reagan Wanna-be.
 

prontospyder

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Not mad at president. I'm confident that our presidents try their best to keep this nation safe. Sometimes, their efforts and resources don't stop everything bad from happening.
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: LordJezo
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: bozack
more upset that nothing was done after the fact.
What did Reaagan do after 200 Marines were killed in the Terrorist bombing of their Barracks in Lebanon? Oh yeah we attacked Greneda
Yup, he should have salted the earth of Lebanon, IMHO.
Or at least let the Marines carry live ammunition. That's one thing I never understood about deploying the Marines there. If you are going to put them in Harm's way you should at least let them be equipped to defend themselves.

Guess it's good then that Kerry constantly voted against weapon systems and military things of the sort.



Did Kerry Oppose Tanks & Planes? Not Lately
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: prontospyder
Not mad at president. I'm confident that our presidents try their best to keep this nation safe. Sometimes, their efforts and resources don't stop everything bad from happening.

Yup, that's why he was on permanent vacation till 9/11. He was secretly working on terrorism.

 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordJezo
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
As the facts of who did what, and to whom - here are the facts that are coming out:

1) Nearly 1,000 killed by terrorists under Reagans watch

2) Nearly 500 more killed under Bush-1's watch

3) Less than 50 killed under Clinton's watch

Yup. Because 50 lives are not as important as the more killed under the others.

Only 50 dead? Who cares! Thousand killed during Bush? Horror!!

Is that all you read in that post? Goddamn you're stupid.


in jzeros little world, the fact that clinton did more to respond to terror then all 3 republican regiems that surrounded him just upsets him so much that his mind cracked. he can't fathom why repubs supposedly strong on defence did absolutely nothing after hundreds of americans died under their watch, yet clinton did respond and create our anti terrorism infrastructure and thrwarted a great deal of attacks that saved thousands. that under 8 years of clinton, far less americans died due to terrorism then even his two republican predecessors. his previous belief/fantasy that clinton did nothing is conflicting with reality. the fact that evil evil clinton had it as a priority, whereas bush willfully ignored all warnings/pleadings..just destroys the foundations of his belief system.


Not mad at president. I'm confident that our presidents try their best to keep this nation safe. Sometimes, their efforts and resources don't stop everything bad from happening.

have you had you head in the sand? its coming out that bush didn't try his best, he tried his best to ignore the situation.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordJezo
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well Wuss (your self description) when did Kerry ever call the Dub a Draft Dodger?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-viet09.html

I'm not seeing where he called him a draft dodger.

''I've said since the day I came back from Vietnam that it was not an issue to me if somebody chose to go to Canada or to go to jail or to be a conscientious objector or to serve in the National Guard or elsewhere,"

Seems to me that his inclusion of NG with other "draft dodgers". He seems to equate them.

CkG



don't even try comparing todays NG with the NG of the vietnam era. you know very well that they are completely different organizations now. back then it was called the champagne service, because that is what it was. its mission to protect europe, not sent on any real missions. it was where the high and mighty hid their children from combat. it was nothing like the national guard of today. the fact that bushies use such a dishonest arguement is rather telling.

i guess your going to call colin powell a liar/traitor too considernig what he wrote about the ng of vietnam era?

"I am angry," a well-regarded general named Colin Powell wrote in his autobiography, "that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wrangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units. Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."